Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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The "inheritance" we receive is part of God's predestined plan. Let’s read it again:
In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
- Ephesians 1:11-12
In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
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Of course, all God's chosen people are elect. Read Rom 8:28-30. Do you really think that Paul is writing to only Jewish Christians in Rome? Doesn't Paul in his epistle address is remarks specifically to Jewish believers sometimes and then and to Gentile believers at other times? Was not Paul writing to ALL in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints (Rom 1:7)?
And the Church is God's Nation! Who do you think Jesus was referring to in Mat 21:43,if not the Body of Christ!? To which "nation" did Jesus give the kingdom when he took it away from the nation of Israel?
And God did elect Jacob, just like he elected Issac before him. That's the entire point to Rom9:6ff.
Rom 9:6-16
6 It is not as though God's word had failed. For not ALL who are descended from Israel (Jacob ) are [elect] Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." 8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring. 9 For this was how the promise was stated: "At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son."
10 Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad — in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls — she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13 Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
NIV
Verse 8 is making a crystal clear distinction between the natural, biological descendants of Abraham and the supernatural, spiritual descendants of the patriarch. There are TWO Israels in view here. The children of Israel according to the flesh, and the children of Israel according to God's promise. In other words, not ALL Israel who descended from Israel are [elect] Israel (verse 6). The Nation was chosen by God, but not everyone in the nation! Kinda like the world that God so loved. God loves the world in a limited sense, just like he elected the Israel according to promiose in the same limited sense.
And what part of vv.14-16 don't you understand?
Of course, all God's chosen people are elect. Read Rom 8:28-30. Do you really think that Paul is writing to only Jewish Christians in Rome? Doesn't Paul in his epistle address is remarks specifically to Jewish believers sometimes and then and to Gentile believers at other times? Was not Paul writing to ALL in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints (Rom 1:7)?
And the Church is God's Nation! Who do you think Jesus was referring to in Mat 21:43,if not the Body of Christ!? To which "nation" did Jesus give the kingdom when he took it away from the nation of Israel?
And God did elect Jacob, just like he elected Issac before him. That's the entire point to Rom9:6ff.
Rom 9:6-16
6 It is not as though God's word had failed. For not ALL who are descended from Israel (Jacob ) are [elect] Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." 8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring. 9 For this was how the promise was stated: "At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son."
10 Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad — in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls — she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13 Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
NIV
Verse 8 is making a crystal clear distinction between the natural, biological descendants of Abraham and the supernatural, spiritual descendants of the patriarch. There are TWO Israels in view here. The children of Israel according to the flesh, and the children of Israel according to God's promise. In other words, not ALL Israel who descended from Israel are [elect] Israel (verse 6). The Nation was chosen by God, but not everyone in the nation! Kinda like the world that God so loved. God loves the world in a limited sense, just like he elected the Israel according to promiose in the same limited sense.
And what part of vv.14-16 don't you understand?
Verse 30 is a continuation of verse 29 and only one was determined to be predestined.
Verse 30 just says the one who was predestined is the one who is calling them, not that them is predestined at all.
But hey, that messes up with your doctrine that God sent people to hell.
So believe your doctrine.
I will believe the Bible
Verse 30 just says the one who was predestined is the one who is calling them, not that them is predestined at all.
But hey, that messes up with your doctrine that God sent people to hell.
So believe your doctrine.
I will believe the Bible
Verse 30 is a continuation of verse 29 and only one was determined to be predestined.
Verse 30 just says the one who was predestined is the one who is calling them, not that them is predestined at all.
But hey, that messes up with your doctrine that God sent people to hell.
So believe your doctrine.
I will believe the Bible
Verse 30 just says the one who was predestined is the one who is calling them, not that them is predestined at all.
But hey, that messes up with your doctrine that God sent people to hell.
So believe your doctrine.
I will believe the Bible
29 For whom he foreknew, he also predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be firstborn among many brethren
30 and whom he predestinated, these he also called; and whom he called, these he also declared righteous; and whom he declared righteous, these he also made glorious.
Verse 30 is clearly Jesus in the portion [that he might be firstborn among many brethren 30 and whom he predestinated]
The ending of verse 29 and beginning of verse 30 is a continuation on who is PREDESTINED...Jesus.
30 and whom he predestinated, these he also called; and whom he called, these he also declared righteous; and whom he declared righteous, these he also made glorious.
Verse 30 is clearly Jesus in the portion [that he might be firstborn among many brethren 30 and whom he predestinated]
The ending of verse 29 and beginning of verse 30 is a continuation on who is PREDESTINED...Jesus.