Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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Absolutely incorrect!!! Adam knew exactly what he was doing when he tossed God under the bus and sided with satan against Him. The Bible says that Adam WAS NOT DECEIVED. He chose to transgress a known instruction, and he died spiritually as a result. Adam's "Nature" never changed, he simply became a Spiritually LOST human like his wife had already done.
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Adam blamed His wife Eve, for enticing Him to eat and she blamed the Serpent for beguiling her. So neither accepted responsibility for disobeying God but, both passed the buck as it were.
One could conclude that the Serpent is responsible for the fall of man, because He used His charm to first deceive Eve, as He knew that He couldn't deceive Adam. So He used Eve to get to Him as well.
But regardless of how much blame we can apportion to either party, behind it all was Gods predetermined will for them all. God created everyone to conform to his true nature, the Serpent was being true to His own nature and so were Adam and Eve.
So God knew they would fall before He created the world, He already planned to send His Son into the world to redeem His children. God planned the whole work of salvation out to take place exactly according to His predetermined will. He even created Lucifer to become Satan, Judas Iscariot to become the traitor and the Apostles and everyone else was created to be exactly who they are.
There are no accidents or surprises in Gods creation, everyone is playing their part according to their nature.
One could conclude that the Serpent is responsible for the fall of man, because He used His charm to first deceive Eve, as He knew that He couldn't deceive Adam. So He used Eve to get to Him as well.
But regardless of how much blame we can apportion to either party, behind it all was Gods predetermined will for them all. God created everyone to conform to his true nature, the Serpent was being true to His own nature and so were Adam and Eve.
So God knew they would fall before He created the world, He already planned to send His Son into the world to redeem His children. God planned the whole work of salvation out to take place exactly according to His predetermined will. He even created Lucifer to become Satan, Judas Iscariot to become the traitor and the Apostles and everyone else was created to be exactly who they are.
There are no accidents or surprises in Gods creation, everyone is playing their part according to their nature.
I can't see why that's not biblically correct, if you can please share it with us. I'm always ready to learn new things, but there is nothing new under the sun. All things remain the same from the beginning. The so called wise guys ae forever seeking and learning but they never come to the knowledge of saving faith.
All we have to teach and instruct is the same old Bible which the ancient people had 2000 years ago. Every generation has had the same old gospel message and God has been silent for the past 2000 years. Calvin was a Great man of God, he divided the Church into two camps and the whole world is talking about him to this day.
False prophets are quickly forgotten and everyone forgets they ever existed, but Calvin will remain famous among the giants of Gods faithful men forever. I'm still waiting for any Armenian to present a valid biblical argument against Calvinism. I will jump over to Arminianism at the drop of a hat, if I found any damning evidence against Calvinism.
All we have to teach and instruct is the same old Bible which the ancient people had 2000 years ago. Every generation has had the same old gospel message and God has been silent for the past 2000 years. Calvin was a Great man of God, he divided the Church into two camps and the whole world is talking about him to this day.
False prophets are quickly forgotten and everyone forgets they ever existed, but Calvin will remain famous among the giants of Gods faithful men forever. I'm still waiting for any Armenian to present a valid biblical argument against Calvinism. I will jump over to Arminianism at the drop of a hat, if I found any damning evidence against Calvinism.
and those who believe are those who by grace alone are granted true faith, not in their faith but in the person and work of Christ.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Php 1:29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,
Rom 4:9 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness.
Act 18:27 And when he desired to cross to Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him; and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace;
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Php 1:29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,
Rom 4:9 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness.
Act 18:27 And when he desired to cross to Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him; and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace;
absolutely not!
God's love is perfect because it perfectly saves those He loves. It is eternal and not temporary.
Jer 31:3 The LORD has appeared of old to me, saying: "Yes, I have loved you with an everlasting love; Therefore with lovingkindness I have drawn you.
Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
If you think God loves absolutely every person including those He justly casts into Hell then you will have to deal with the 18 verses below which plainly state that God hates, despises and abhors the wicked reprobate.
God's love is perfect because it perfectly saves those He loves. It is eternal and not temporary.
Jer 31:3 The LORD has appeared of old to me, saying: "Yes, I have loved you with an everlasting love; Therefore with lovingkindness I have drawn you.
Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
If you think God loves absolutely every person including those He justly casts into Hell then you will have to deal with the 18 verses below which plainly state that God hates, despises and abhors the wicked reprobate.
And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them (Lev. 20:23).
And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you (Lev. 26:30).
And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you (Lev. 26:30).
For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee (Deut. 18:12).
For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the Lord thy God (Deut. 25:16).
And when the Lord saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters (Deut. 32:19).
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the Lord will abhor the bloody and deceitful man (Ps. 5:5-6).
For the wicked boasteth of his heart’s desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the Lord abhorreth (Ps. 10:3).
The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth (Ps. 11:5).
These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren (Prov. 6:16-19).
The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished (Prov. 16:4-5).
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord (Prov. 17:15).
The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the Lord shall fall therein (Prov. 22:14).
Behold, ye [i.e., idols] are of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination is he that chooseth you (Isa. 41:24).
Mine heritage is unto me as a lion in the forest; it crieth out against me: therefore have I hated it (Jer. 12:8).
All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house (Hos. 9:15).
Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me (Zech. 11:8).
I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the Lord hath indignation for ever. And your eyes shall see, and ye shall say, The Lord will be magnified from the border of Israel (Mal. 1:2-5).
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated (Rom. 9:13).
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the reason why they received Him is because He made them born again by His Spirit through the preaching of the Gospel, drew them to Himself and granted them the repentance and faith He justly commands from all people.
Joh 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:65 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."
Hos_11:4 I drew them with gentle cords, With bands of love, And I was to them as those who take the yoke from their neck. I stooped and fed them.
Psa 65:4 Blessed is the man You choose, And cause to approach You, That he may dwell in Your courts. We shall be satisfied with the goodness of Your house, Of Your holy temple.
Psa 119:49 Remember the word to Your servant, Upon which You have caused me to hope.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joh 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:65 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."
Hos_11:4 I drew them with gentle cords, With bands of love, And I was to them as those who take the yoke from their neck. I stooped and fed them.
Psa 65:4 Blessed is the man You choose, And cause to approach You, That he may dwell in Your courts. We shall be satisfied with the goodness of Your house, Of Your holy temple.
Psa 119:49 Remember the word to Your servant, Upon which You have caused me to hope.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
God is perfectly good and just in choosing some to glorify His grace and others to glorify His wrath. If you have a problem with that then you do not yet know your clayness.
Rom 9:15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOMEVER I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOMEVER I WILL HAVE COMPASSION."
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
Rom 9:18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Romans 9 is the most highlighted chapter in the whole Bible for Arminians!
Rom 9:15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOMEVER I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOMEVER I WILL HAVE COMPASSION."
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
Rom 9:18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Romans 9 is the most highlighted chapter in the whole Bible for Arminians!
the gift is faith!
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Why do you not yet read your Bible?
If I hated God I would not be here defending His glorious Gospel from being perverted by those who whether they realise it or not are robbing Him of the glory of His salvation by giving it to the choice of men.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Why do you not yet read your Bible?
If I hated God I would not be here defending His glorious Gospel from being perverted by those who whether they realise it or not are robbing Him of the glory of His salvation by giving it to the choice of men.
what you have described is postdestination and not predestination.
God did not look into the future, see who would choose Him , then return before time and choose them because He saw them choose Him!
Rom 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
Eph 1:5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
Eph 1:6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
To foreknow is to have an intimate relationship with someone just as Joseph did not know Mary before they were married.
Mat 1:25 and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name JESUS.
Luk_1:34 Then Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I do not know a man?"
God knew His people before He created them and loved them enough to send Christ to save them.
The question everyone must ask themselves is not have I chosen God but has God chosen me?
God did not look into the future, see who would choose Him , then return before time and choose them because He saw them choose Him!
Rom 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
Eph 1:5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
Eph 1:6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
To foreknow is to have an intimate relationship with someone just as Joseph did not know Mary before they were married.
Mat 1:25 and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name JESUS.
Luk_1:34 Then Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I do not know a man?"
God knew His people before He created them and loved them enough to send Christ to save them.
The question everyone must ask themselves is not have I chosen God but has God chosen me?
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Apparently you do not know how to take verses in their proper context and turn God into some kind of frustrated deity who is not powerful to save anyone for the sake of offending their so called free will.
Please tell me why Christ rejoices below in some being blinded to the truth and even thanks His Father for doing so and says it is good???
Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
God has no pleasure in the wicked who repent but He laughs at those who think He will not punish them.
Psa_2:4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The LORD shall hold them in derision.
Psa_37:13 The Lord laughs at him, For He sees that his day is coming.
God loves His elect throughout the whole world enough to secure their salvation and hates the reprobate which are created to glorify His perfectly good, holy, just and eternal wrath but you do not know this side of God's goodness and do not yet understand the cross of Christ .
Pro 16:4 The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.