Predestination is misunderstood...
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I can give you as many supporting scriptures as you like, but the problem remains with your interpretation. All scripture must be in harmony with the rest. if any appear to contradict each other, then the problem is with our interpretation and not the scripture.
If you care to know what the two interpretations of the gospel message are, please see the chart I've included below. It's a summary of the two views. It shows why they are opposed and why every Christian hold to one of these two views.
I would love to know what your thoughts are and which side you agree with.
You believe in the
If you care to know what the two interpretations of the gospel message are, please see the chart I've included below. It's a summary of the two views. It shows why they are opposed and why every Christian hold to one of these two views.
I would love to know what your thoughts are and which side you agree with.
You believe in the
You obviously don't know anything about TILIP, if you did you would find it's composed of actual Bible verses. So if you don't believe that the bible is Gods Word then you won't believe that TULIP is either.
Again I've never heard of anyone being with Jesus, so that verse you appealed to exposes your lack of discernment of Hods Word. Jesus most certainly didn't mean that He would be with us until the very end, if that was true He would be with us but as I keep telling you only the deluded people see Him.
Jesus said many things that aren't true in the literal sense, He spoke in code much of the time and that has left outsiders baffled but His children have no issues with His play on words because we understand His code language. He said "My sheep hear My voice".
Jesus said "I am the door" and people run around claiming that He's made of wood. Jesus said "eat my flesh and drink my blood" and people run around saying we have to be cannibals. Man, please remember to consider the context of a given verse. Plucking out verses in isolation is not wise.
Jesus is Almighty Jehovah God, the creator of all that exists. He is God, He is with His children in Spirit only. He's not available to any man, for private consultation. He's not you buddy He's your God.
Again I've never heard of anyone being with Jesus, so that verse you appealed to exposes your lack of discernment of Hods Word. Jesus most certainly didn't mean that He would be with us until the very end, if that was true He would be with us but as I keep telling you only the deluded people see Him.
Jesus said many things that aren't true in the literal sense, He spoke in code much of the time and that has left outsiders baffled but His children have no issues with His play on words because we understand His code language. He said "My sheep hear My voice".
Jesus said "I am the door" and people run around claiming that He's made of wood. Jesus said "eat my flesh and drink my blood" and people run around saying we have to be cannibals. Man, please remember to consider the context of a given verse. Plucking out verses in isolation is not wise.
Jesus is Almighty Jehovah God, the creator of all that exists. He is God, He is with His children in Spirit only. He's not available to any man, for private consultation. He's not you buddy He's your God.
please tell me, on a scale from one to ten, how evil is man in God's description of him below?
Gen 6:5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
or how about these verses?
Jer 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?
Job_15:16 How much less man, who is abominable and filthy, Who drinks iniquity like water!
Isa_64:6 But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.
Rom 3:10 As it is written: "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE;
Rom 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS; THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS AFTER GOD.
Rom 3:12 THEY HAVE ALL TURNED ASIDE; THEY HAVE TOGETHER BECOME UNPROFITABLE; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, NO, NOT ONE."
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Anyone who does not see themselves as being slaves to sin will never become slaves of righteousness!
Gen 6:5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
or how about these verses?
Jer 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?
Job_15:16 How much less man, who is abominable and filthy, Who drinks iniquity like water!
Isa_64:6 But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.
Rom 3:10 As it is written: "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE;
Rom 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS; THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS AFTER GOD.
Rom 3:12 THEY HAVE ALL TURNED ASIDE; THEY HAVE TOGETHER BECOME UNPROFITABLE; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, NO, NOT ONE."
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Anyone who does not see themselves as being slaves to sin will never become slaves of righteousness!
the parable was said to distinguish those who may appear to believe but do not endure to the end because their faith was not from God.
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
the parable was said to distinguish those who may appear to believe but do not endure to the end because their faith was not from God.
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
That sounds good, but he sad reality is Jesus didn't come into the world to unite people. He came to divide people into two groups. We know this to be true because He said so Himself. "I did not come into the world to bring peace, but I came as a sword to divide"
So scripture proves scripture, regardless of how we feel about it. God doesn't respect persons, so He doesn't care about our feeling. It's all about Him and what He wants.
The best we can do is accept everything He does and never question or complain about anything. He is the ne Person we don't want to get on the wrong side of. He is the only one who casts both body and soul into the lake of fire.
So scripture proves scripture, regardless of how we feel about it. God doesn't respect persons, so He doesn't care about our feeling. It's all about Him and what He wants.
The best we can do is accept everything He does and never question or complain about anything. He is the ne Person we don't want to get on the wrong side of. He is the only one who casts both body and soul into the lake of fire.
My previous life consisted of sex drugs and rock 'n roll. I lost that life when, God regenerated me and saved me from slavery to sin.
I have no idea how you came up with this incoherent, unbiblical summary. It's certainly not true of me, You have made many unfounded presumptions. Not a wise thing to do if you're seeking the truth
I have no idea how you came up with this incoherent, unbiblical summary. It's certainly not true of me, You have made many unfounded presumptions. Not a wise thing to do if you're seeking the truth
they are told that Jesus is outside the door in the cold and only they can do Him a favour and let Him in by choosing to do so and saying a sinners prayer, and unless they do so, they can never be saved and Jesus will be sad for all eternity because they didn't choose Him. This sort of message is an abomination to the holy God of Scripture to whom salvation belongs and those who peddle such rubbish are doing the work of the devil!
OK, so now you're saying Gods Word has nothing to teach us.
My bible teaches that I must live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God. My bible teaches and instructs me in every area of life. You ignore that fact at your own peril.
God appointed my Shepherd to teach me, so you don't have a problem with my theology, you have a problem with Gods choice of Shepherd.
You don't get to set any rules and standards for interpreting Gods Word, that's Gods business and you can only do damage to Gods Word by adding your private interpretation to what He is saying. I would love to be corrected about anything I've stated, but I don't accept correction from unqualified sheep who try to appoint themselves to the office of a Shepherd.
I welcome all correction and instruction form anyone as long as it's supported by Gods Word and not their emotionally derived views.
My bible teaches that I must live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God. My bible teaches and instructs me in every area of life. You ignore that fact at your own peril.
God appointed my Shepherd to teach me, so you don't have a problem with my theology, you have a problem with Gods choice of Shepherd.
You don't get to set any rules and standards for interpreting Gods Word, that's Gods business and you can only do damage to Gods Word by adding your private interpretation to what He is saying. I would love to be corrected about anything I've stated, but I don't accept correction from unqualified sheep who try to appoint themselves to the office of a Shepherd.
I welcome all correction and instruction form anyone as long as it's supported by Gods Word and not their emotionally derived views.
You still don't seem to get what I'm saying. I am not saved because I believe. I am saved because the benchmark God set was to save believers. I could sit here and believe God's word is true till the cows come home, but if it was not His will to save those who are believing, then I would sit here forever unsaved.
So you can stop putting me to the test as if you have some right to evaluate my salvation, because you don't.
So you can stop putting me to the test as if you have some right to evaluate my salvation, because you don't.