Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

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Will the nonelect ever be born-again?

  • The nonelect can be born-again.

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The non elect can never be born again. A wise man proved that it's impossible by asking Jesus, "can a man enter into his mothers womb and be born again". The man said that's impossible and Jesus agreed with him saying, "it's impossible, but all things are possible with God"

So there you have it, Jesus proved that it's impossible. but He said it's only possible if God does it, if you can't see that then, you're blind.

45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
 
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I'm curious, since I don't know why someone would say, that the Catholic Church is very different, than the Roman Catholic Church? Please explain. Also, please throw in your insights on how the Irish Catholic Church is comparable, or not the same in your view.

Thanks!


"The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church, with 1.378 billion baptized Catholics worldwide as of 2021. It is among the world's oldest and largest international institutions, and has played a prominent role in the history and development of Western civilization." wiki
The term "Roman Catholic Church" is an oxymoron. It's a contradiction, to to use the word "Roman" which describes a particular geographic location and then apply the word Universal or (Catholic) to that location. Rome would need to encompass the entire globe to give the term validity.

So the title doesn't have any logical meaning, so it's a contradiction of terms. Just as everything else the RRC teach is contradictory and not founded on any Biblical doctrines. For example, the Pope has given himself the title "Holy Father" but God warned, not to call any man holy father.

The second commandment warns against making statues and bowing down to them but the RCC is famous for that. God said there's only One mediator between God and man and that being His Son, but the Pope rejects that and claims that Mary is a co mediatrix.

I could give you a 1000 examples where the Vatican blatantly rejects Gods commands and imposed their Pagan Roman dictates, to their teaching. The Pope has given himself the title "The Vicar of Christ", meaning Christs equal representative on earth.

The Universal (Catholic) Church, is the One true Church, where Christ is the head of it and all the believers make up the body. That includes believers from every age and every corner of the earth. The term "Catholic" was hijacked by Pagan Rome and incorporated into their Pagan Empire.

Constantinople, realized that he could never kill all the believers as there were too many around the world, so he just amalgamated the Church with the Pagan Roman Empire and called it the Roman Catholic Church.

The Irish Roman Catholic Church is not an independent non denominational Church. The Vatican has full control over it, and it can't do anything other than what the Pope allows, so it's no different to any other Church under Romanism.
 
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I have no interest in peoples labels it’s not biblical what I believe is written on scripture it doesn’t matter if someone labels me lol what difference does that make ?

a instead of studying theology I’ve spent my life studying the bible which i believe to be Gods true word

aid you have an issue with anything I say or believe I’ll show you where it’s written in the Bible , then you can create the label for it if you wish

a and yeah I have no clue what Arminianism or whatever is , I’ve i te tribally acoided for 70 years getting pulled into to the worldly theology argument the “ which denomination is the true one “ debate all that stuff I’ve intentionally avoided like the plague

whatever I say is because I’ve read it in the Bible , now that doesn’t mean what I say is right or that I understand everything I read in the Bible or that anyone else is wrong who disagrees with me lol my point is only that whatever I believe is in the Bible pretty plainly

ive been labeled twenty different denominations and theology names in my time and never bothered to look o to a single label or what it meant but I have studied the gospel and prayed a lot about it studied the law and prophets asked the lord to help me learn I have studied the apostles writings a bit and tried to learn again prayerfully with patience

whatever label you want to out on that isnt really relevant to me anyways , the onot label I accept is a disciple of Jesus Christ . A poor and weak and Imperfect disciple I confess but I don’t know anything about Arminianism or probably the rest of the theological labels you’ve investigated that’s a subject I know zero about

actually there’s one “ denomination “ that I did discuss for a time with because hey would t stop coming to my door lol so I do know a bit about Mormonism and what they believe but of course I’m not a Mormon you would t hear me teaching most of what they think . But only the things that are in the Bible that they believe I have agreement with them on that issue like I do with anyone else no matter the denominational label who believes the e same things in the Bible
Why don't you reveal what you believe. You used a lot of words to say noting other than you have taken refuge in your fortress of ignorance.

Why won't you reveal what you believe, hiding behind a book doesn't reveal anything about who you are and what if anything you stand for. Claiming to believe the bible is the go to for everyone who doesn't know what they believe. you do realize that there are around 40,000 different interpretations of the bible, right????.

I'm just wondering which of the 40,000 interpretations you have chosen to believe. You will have to give account before God, what you did with all of his Commands, Instructions, Doctrines and Word. He will demand to see your fruits, which will prove you as a fruitful servant or an unfruitful servant fit for punishment.

You claim to be a rouge Sheep, who relies on his own wisdom and understanding of what the bible says. God said that a rouge rebellious Sheep will be devoured by the hungry lion. He appointed Shepherds to watch over us gullible and simple Sheep, it's obvious you don't have a Shepherd watching over you so you're in mortal danger.

There's nothing more dangerous than a rouge sheep roaming around unprotected, whilst pretending to be a self appointed Shepherd. It's obvious you're not a Church Minister (shepherd). God placed a curse on those who trust in their own wisdom and lean on their own understanding, but here you are rejecting God's warning and promoting yourself as a wise shepherd.
 
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yeah if we ignore it it won’t help

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Those things are a curse to everyone, except for those whom God elected and wrote their names in His book before the word was created.

You automatically, twisted those warnings and presented them as some beggar begging for someone to buy what He's selling. The gospel is not a consumer product as you portray it to be, it's not something we can choose to buy or reject. god is not like a failed used car salesman going around desperately trying to sell the old lemons.

You make a mockery of the gospel by treating it like a consumer product. Why do must intelligent people scoff and reject the gospel as foolishness. Why don't the intelligent men buy it, if it's such a good thing.
 
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Your just making things up
I was going to use the word, "reprobate of the earth" but I thought it may be a bit harsh, so I used pollution instead and you're still not happy. OK, how about I try, "unbelievers" "unrepentant sinners" "God haters" "lovers of self". I could keep going till the cows come home but you should get the gist of it with those descriptions.
 

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Scripture PROOF God intended for ALL men to find Him.
This is why God created ALL humans from ONE man: to find God:

26 God made one man. From that one man he has made all the nations of men to live on the whole earth. He has given to each nation a certain time and a certain place to live.

27 He did this so they would look for him. He wanted them to reach out and find him. But he is not far from each one of us.


The Reformed Doctrine tries to hide this verse because it proves man can find God if they try..
 
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45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
This verse is completley unrelated, because it speaks about fattening the calf for the slaughter. So God doesn't send the good things, to prove His love for the sinners, He does it because the sinners live along side His elect. His blessings are for His elect but the sinners benefit for a time but it ends up cursing them more because they used prosperity to enable them to commit heinous sin.

A healthy reprobate, uses the health and strength to steal, kill and fornicate. So it would have been better if that person didn't benefit from Gods provisions, because he used them to heap more coals on his head for torment in the lake of fire.
 
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Scripture PROOF God intended for ALL men to find Him.
This is why God created ALL humans from ONE man: to find God:

26 God made one man. From that one man he has made all the nations of men to live on the whole earth. He has given to each nation a certain time and a certain place to live.

27 He did this so they would look for him. He wanted them to reach out and find him. But he is not far from each one of us.


The Reformed Doctrine tries to hide this verse because it proves man can find God if they try..
You have found an obscure unrelated verse and twisted it meaning to push your Arminian religious view.

You didn't even mention which chapter or verse this came out of, but it doesn't sound like the bible at all. The God of the bible doesn't wish or want anything, if He just does whatever He pleases, regardless of whether you approve of it or not. He doesn't care about your views or feelings.

You need to deal with the truth and stop running around trying to find fault with God. God said, "None seek Me" but you say "nay Lord, look here it says they do seek you". So now, God is either a liar or there's somethi9ng wrong with your interpretation.

God said, "they will seek Me diligently but will not find Me", but you say He's playing hide and seek and He gives them all the clues they need to easily find Him.

I would suggest you find a Shepherd to lead you and teach you, because it's obvious you're only a sheep and not a Teacher or Minister.
 

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You have found an obscure unrelated verse and twisted it meaning to push your Arminian religious view.

You didn't even mention which chapter or verse this came out of, but it doesn't sound like the bible at all. The God of the bible doesn't wish or want anything, if He just does whatever He pleases, regardless of whether you approve of it or not. He doesn't care about your views or feelings.

You need to deal with the truth and stop running around trying to find fault with God. God said, "None seek Me" but you say "nay Lord, look here it says they do seek you". So now, God is either a liar or there's somethi9ng wrong with your interpretation.

God said, "they will seek Me diligently but will not find Me", but you say He's playing hide and seek and He gives them all the clues they need to easily find Him.

I would suggest you find a Shepherd to lead you and teach you, because it's obvious you're only a sheep and not a Teacher or Minister.
I don't listen to people like you who are not led by God, I listen only to God and He led me to this passage to PREACH His TRUTH!!
 

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You have found an obscure unrelated verse and twisted it meaning to push your Arminian religious view.

You didn't even mention which chapter or verse this came out of, but it doesn't sound like the bible at all. The God of the bible doesn't wish or want anything, if He just does whatever He pleases, regardless of whether you approve of it or not. He doesn't care about your views or feelings.

You need to deal with the truth and stop running around trying to find fault with God. God said, "None seek Me" but you say "nay Lord, look here it says they do seek you". So now, God is either a liar or there's somethi9ng wrong with your interpretation.

God said, "they will seek Me diligently but will not find Me", but you say He's playing hide and seek and He gives them all the clues they need to easily find Him.

I would suggest you find a Shepherd to lead you and teach you, because it's obvious you're only a sheep and not a Teacher or Minister.
It's Acts 17. But it isn't a proof text that men will seek God.
 
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I don't listen to people like you who are not led by God, I listen only to God and He led me to this passage to PREACH His TRUTH!!
It's obvious you don't listen to God, because He hasn't spoken a Word to us for the past 2000 years, so it suggests that those voices you hear in your head of the evil One.
 

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We all have the same ancestor, Adam. And if we look at Adam' and God any human will know God is real.
That is what those verses mean.
 

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He made everything to teach us something about Himself. But that doesn't change the fact that there are none that seek after God.
But it doesn't mean God did not make it so we could not.

We all have the same ancestor, Adam. And if we look at Adam' and God any human will know God is real.
That is what those verses mean.