Mike Winger's "Why I think Calvinism is Unbiblical"

[Cameron143]

Roman 8:9 ONLY applies to those under Jesus, not those before the LAw when they were living 4,000 years BEFORE JESUS Died.

All the promises of God are in Christ. Can't have a promise of God apart from Christ.

 

[cv5]

Again, you don't understand the condition of fallen man.

You obviously fail to grasp the profundity of the cup of betrothal. A cup that can be and is refused.

 

[Cameron143]

You obviously fail to grasp the profundity of the cup of betrothal. A cup that can be and is refused.

Sure. Every natural man refuses it.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

All the promises of God are in Christ. Can't have a promise of God apart from Christ.

Christ did not exist when they were living in the LAW for 3,000 years. He had not been born and died. You're just taking the Bible and creating lies now. The lengths you are willing to go to keep a false doctrine.

Thank God He can read your words!
Your words = what's really in your heart!

 

[cv5]

The heart of the natural man can respond in many ways. But all those ways will be in opposition to God.

Of course you are mistaken.

Act 6:10
And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake

Act 7:51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

 

[Cameron143]

Some people do believe that...

Some I'm chatting with seem to.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Of course you are mistaken.

Act 6:10
And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake

Act 7:51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

He does not want to read that word RESIST followed by Holy Spirit because he is claiming the Holy Spirit is not there when they heard the Gospel.

He is making a MOCKERY of God's Word!

 

[Magenta]

Nope. Their response was driven by the condition of their hearts. Out of the abundance
of the heart, the mouth speaks. Their responses reflect the condition of their hearts.

Ezekiel 36:25-26

 

[cv5]

Sure. Every natural man refuses it.

Sneaky, but what you mean to say is that only those who are taken hostage and forcibly converted before being born accept it.

Forced conversions and shotgun weddings? Sound like the accusations of Satan to me.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

51 “You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit.


This proves the Holy Spirit was there when Stephen preached and they rejected God.

God made them accountable for rejecting Him.

 

[Cameron143]

Of course you are mistaken.

Act 6:10
And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake

Act 7:51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Neither group responded in faith. The first group didn't receive wisdom. They simply weren't able to win the dispute with Stephen. But nice try picking verses and attempting to misconstrue the meaning. Pretty tricky.

 

[Cameron143]

Sneaky, but what you mean to say is that only those who are taken hostage and forcibly converted before being born accept it.

Forced conversions and shotgun weddings? Sound like the accusations of Satan to me.

More false witness.

 

[Magenta]

51 “You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit.

This proves the Holy Spirit was there when Stephen preached and they rejected God.

God made them accountable for rejecting Him.

The natural man resists, this is true... they suppress the truth because
they love their evil. That is exactly why they are without excuse.

 

[Cameron143]

51 “You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit.


This proves the Holy Spirit was there when Stephen preached and they rejected God.

God made them accountable for rejecting Him.

No one is arguing this. Their actions are consistent with the condition of their hearts.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

The natural man resists, this is true... they suppress the truth because
they love their evil. That is exactly why they are without excuse.

In this scenario, they can only resist when something is trying to save you.
God was trying to save them and they resisted God from doing it.
That proves free will.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

No one is arguing this. Their actions are consistent with the condition of their hearts.

In this scenario, they can only resist when something is trying to save them.
God was trying to save them and they resisted God from doing it.
That proves free will.

 

[Cameron143]

He does not want to read that word RESIST followed by Holy Spirit because he is claiming the Holy Spirit is not there when they heard the Gospel.

He is making a MOCKERY of God's Word!

False witness. I've said the opposite.

 

[cv5]

Neither group responded in faith. The first group didn't receive wisdom. They simply weren't able to win the dispute with Stephen. But nice try picking verses and attempting to misconstrue the meaning. Pretty tricky.

Actually.....yes you are right. Those verses were poorly chosen.

Why? I am busy working right now. Multi tasking.

But your take that God is doing shotgun weddings? Sick.

 

[Magenta]

In this scenario, they can only resist when something is trying to save you.
God was trying to save them and they resisted God from doing it.

They were uncircumcised in heart... and ear. How could they hear?

The truth is foolishness to those who are perishing. What do they hear? Foolishness.

 

[Cameron143]

In this scenario, they can only resist when something is trying to save them.
God was trying to save them and they resisted God from doing it.

The natural man lives in a perpetual state of enmity against God. They are continually resisting.