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Cameron143

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They need all the help they can get during that time.I mean,if they are not warned to not take the mark of the beast,then what would have stopped them from taking it?But now that they have been warned,they would rather die than take it

Revelation 14

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
They need encouragement because God is about to destroy Jerusalem and the temple. Jesus is giving a word of blessing for those who hear and heed...Revelation 1:3.
Notice the end of verse 3...the time is at hand. What time is at hand?
 

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The Jews that settled Israel did not arrive by land.They came out of the sea.

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Daniel 8
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.


They came from the north west ,and arrived in the pleasant land via the Mediterranean.
If you actually think that Israel is the "little horn" of that passage, you are one seriously confused person.
 
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They need encouragement because God is about to destroy Jerusalem and the temple. Jesus is giving a word of blessing for those who hear and heed...Revelation 1:3.
Notice the end of verse 3...the time is at hand. What time is at hand?
The time of the end when Christ comes
As I said,it's a message for the saints during the tribulation.They will get the picture.
 
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If you actually think that Israel is the "little horn" of that passage, you are one seriously confused person.
Little Israel ,persecuting the saints?
Who would think such a thing?


34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
 

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The time of the end when Christ comes
As I said,it's a message for the saints during the tribulation.They will get the picture.
So you ignore the actual audience it was actually written to?
 
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If you actually think that Israel is the "little horn" of that passage, you are one seriously confused person.


Someone would have to be very confused to believe a Christian could be persecuted in Israel before Christ comes.
Just out of their mind.


Mathew 10:23

When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
 
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So you ignore the actual audience it was actually written to?
No,im not ignoring who John is talking to.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.


And he sent it to seven churches as he was instructed.


4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
 

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No,im not ignoring who John is talking to.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.


And he sent it to seven churches as he was instructed.


4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Do you believe those who actually lived as contemporaries of John were in the tribulation?
 
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Do you believe those who actually lived as contemporaries of John were in the tribulation?
I don't remember Jesus coming at that time.Did everyone see him in the clouds?
If not,then it must be about a different tribulation.


Mathew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 

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I don't remember Jesus coming at that time.Did everyone see him in the clouds?
If not,then it must be about a different tribulation.


Mathew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
It's de-creation language. It's not literal. And you have proof that He did not come in the 1st century? I realize it's nigh impossible to prove a negative, but it's your claim.
 
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It's de-creation language. It's not literal. And you have proof that He did not come in the 1st century? I realize it's nigh impossible to prove a negative, but it's your claim.
Well,seeing that no one saw him coming in the clouds,I have no reason to believe he came.
 

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The apostles or early church writers would have wrote about his second advent if it had passed.
He would also be here if he returned ,would he not?
They did write about it, and they all wrote as if it were imminent. All the Apostles were dead except John when it occurred. And the canon of scripture was complete with Revelation.
Also, He doesn't need to be here to reign. He's reigning now. We already went through this.
 

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No,God gave Christ the land with an everlasting promise.If they are not in Christ,then they are not heirs with Christ.

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.



You say it is theirs because Christ died.
You agree with murderers.


Mark 12:7
“But the tenants said to one another, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’
“To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates”

“The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you.”


And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.


And, behold, the Lord stood above it, and said, I am the Lord God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed


And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.


I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God.


The hand of the Lord was upon me, and he brought me out in the Spirit of the Lord and set me down in the middle of the valley; it was full of bones. And he led me around among them, and behold, there were very many on the surface of the valley, and behold, they were very dry. And he said to me, “Son of man, can these bones live?” And I answered, “O Lord God, you know.” Then he said to me, “Prophesy over these bones, and say to them, O dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live.


He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates

Thus says the Lord, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the Lord of hosts is his name: “If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the Lord, then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever.”


For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”



“I am the Lord, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac. The land on which you lie I will give to you and to your offspring. Your offspring shall be like the dust of the earth, and you shall spread abroad to the west and to the east and to the north and to the south, and in you and your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed. Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land. For I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.”


And I will give to you and to your offspring after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.


For all the land that you see I will give to you and to your offspring forever.

“Lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward, for all the land that you see I will give to you and to your offspring forever. I will make your offspring as the dust of the earth, so that if one can count the dust of the earth, your offspring also can be counted. Arise, walk through the length and the breadth of the land, for I will give it to you.”




 
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They did write about it, and they all wrote as if it were imminent. All the Apostles were dead except John when it occurred. And the canon of scripture was complete with Revelation.
Also, He doesn't need to be here to reign. He's reigning now. We already went through this.
I haven't read where anyone saw Jesus come in the clouds
But if you say they wrote about his coming in the bible ,can you quote the verse where those witnesses saw him coming in the ouds?