Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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As was Pharaoh. Because of his free will decision to harden his heart against God's Word, ambassadors, and witnesses. Despite the vast overwhelming evidence.
God closing the door to grace and walking away. Happens all the time. According to his OWN omniscience wisdom and perfect justice. This because God has His Own free will too.....and does all of His pleasure.
God closing the door to grace and walking away. Happens all the time. According to his OWN omniscience wisdom and perfect justice. This because God has His Own free will too.....and does all of His pleasure.
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What man means for evil God works for the good of those who love Him.
There's a teaching from my rabbi that I had been meant to tune into, but it's probably been long buried under newly updated subjects of study since the time I first heard of it, probably more than a few years ago by now. It was titled something like, "Cruel to Be Kind." And indeed, I've have often noted that I could discern more love from the crabbier people than I'd ever had from those whose demeanor were sunshine and lollipoppies *poppies...poppieees...poppies will make them sleep...sleep...sleeep...
There's a teaching from my rabbi that I had been meant to tune into, but it's probably been long buried under newly updated subjects of study since the time I first heard of it, probably more than a few years ago by now. It was titled something like, "Cruel to Be Kind." And indeed, I've have often noted that I could discern more love from the crabbier people than I'd ever had from those whose demeanor were sunshine and lollipoppies *poppies...poppieees...poppies will make them sleep...sleep...sleeep...
Isaiah 53:10-12: Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand. He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities. Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors, And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors.
It wouldn’t have happened if it had not pleased the Father. Because of Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross, we can be forgiven of all our sins. When the time came, God made sure that everything said in His prophetic Word would come to pass.
It wouldn’t have happened if it had not pleased the Father. Because of Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross, we can be forgiven of all our sins. When the time came, God made sure that everything said in His prophetic Word would come to pass.
It amazes me that you refuse to admit that the Pharisees were not commanded by God to kill Jesus.
And yeah, free will is nowhere taught in the Bible. The natural man is a slave to sin. The natural man:
the Bible teaches that we sin because we are sinners
all our righteous acts are like filthy rags
there are NONE righteous
a bad tree cannot produce good fruit
all are under the control of the evil one
needs to be rescued
his heart is deceitful and desperately wicked
is born dead in transgression and sin
is held captive by a love for sin
will not seek God
he loves the darkness
does not understand the things of God
suppresses the truth of God in unrighteousness
continues to willfully live in sin
sinful lifestyle seems right to men
rejects the gospel of Christ as foolishness
hostile toward God in their mind
does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is unable to do so
And yeah, free will is nowhere taught in the Bible. The natural man is a slave to sin. The natural man:
the Bible teaches that we sin because we are sinners
all our righteous acts are like filthy rags
there are NONE righteous
a bad tree cannot produce good fruit
all are under the control of the evil one
needs to be rescued
his heart is deceitful and desperately wicked
is born dead in transgression and sin
is held captive by a love for sin
will not seek God
he loves the darkness
does not understand the things of God
suppresses the truth of God in unrighteousness
continues to willfully live in sin
sinful lifestyle seems right to men
rejects the gospel of Christ as foolishness
hostile toward God in their mind
does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is unable to do so
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I suppose I should first ask you to define what you mean by "free will" -
Since this is your next sentence, it looks like you're saying man has no freedom [of will] because he's a slave.
If we start at the beginning:
Do you mean that man is not free to choose?
Or do you mean that man has no will, no choice, no volition (synonyms of "will") - no faculty to choose?
Since this is your next sentence, it looks like you're saying man has no freedom [of will] because he's a slave.
So, man has no will - no ability to choose - no volition - because he's a slave?
Or does man have volition, but it's not free to choose?
If we start at the beginning:
When God commanded the first man and woman not to eat from the tree, was God's command issued to man who was unable or able to choose?
When the woman was deceived and ate, did she choose or not choose to eat?
When the man was not deceived and ate, did he choose or not choose to eat?
In general, are commands given to man who has volition, or does not have volition - IOW, what's the purpose of a command?
We know God's moral will for us by the commands He gives. You conflate having a choice or being able to make choices with having a will that is free. Man's will is constrained by too many factors to be considered free, and Scripture does not teach that the natural man has a will that is free. Quite the contrary. Scripture teaches that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. Scripture teaches that the natural man is dead in sin and is in need of a spiritual rebirth. If we start at the beginning, you may have to acknowledge that Adam was of the natural world and God knew he would sin, and sin deliberately knowing he was sinning and not deceived as Eve was. The natural man =
the Bible teaches that we sin because we are sinners
all our righteous acts are like filthy rags
there are NONE righteous
a bad tree cannot produce good fruit
all are under the control of the evil one
we need to be rescued
man’s heart is deceitful and desperately wicked
man is born dead in transgression and sin
he is held captive by a love for sin
will not seek God
he loves the darkness
does not understand the things of God
suppress the truth of God in unrighteousness
continues to willfully live in sin
sinful lifestyle seems right to men
rejects the gospel of Christ as foolishness
hostile toward God in their mind
does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is unable to do so
the Bible teaches that we sin because we are sinners
all our righteous acts are like filthy rags
there are NONE righteous
a bad tree cannot produce good fruit
all are under the control of the evil one
we need to be rescued
man’s heart is deceitful and desperately wicked
man is born dead in transgression and sin
he is held captive by a love for sin
will not seek God
he loves the darkness
does not understand the things of God
suppress the truth of God in unrighteousness
continues to willfully live in sin
sinful lifestyle seems right to men
rejects the gospel of Christ as foolishness
hostile toward God in their mind
does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is unable to do so
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How am I conflating something by asking you to explain what you mean?
You're using a two-word phrase, "free" and "will". I'm using some synonyms for "will" (choice, volition) in order to give us some range to examine it, define it. Are these synonyms agreeable to you?
How does this answer whether or not Adam and Even made a choice and thus had will/volition? Also, using the phrase "free will/choice/volition" were they free to decide what to do? Were they free to choose what to do?
The way I read this phrase, we have an adjective "free" modifying the noun "will". So, some definitions from a quick search using Google:
noun: will; plural noun: wills
adjective: free
You're using a two-word phrase, "free" and "will". I'm using some synonyms for "will" (choice, volition) in order to give us some range to examine it, define it. Are these synonyms agreeable to you?
How does this answer whether or not Adam and Even made a choice and thus had will/volition? Also, using the phrase "free will/choice/volition" were they free to decide what to do? Were they free to choose what to do?
The way I read this phrase, we have an adjective "free" modifying the noun "will". So, some definitions from a quick search using Google:
noun: will; plural noun: wills
- the faculty by which a person decides on and initiates action.
adjective: free
1. not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.
"I have no ambitions other than to have a happy life and be free"
2. not or no longer confined or imprisoned.
"the researchers set the birds free"
So, man had a [mental] faculty to decide and his faulty to decide is not under the control or power of another - his faculty to decide is not confined or imprisoned - his faculty to decide is able to act and do as he wishes (decides).
Does this seem to you to explain the condition of Adam and Eve in the Garden when God commanded them not to eat of the Tree?
if not, then why not?
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They wanted to kill Jesus. God used his omnipotence to prevent them killoling Jesus by any means other than crucifixion. They tried to kill Jesus by stoning. God prevented them. They tried to kill Jesus by throwing Him off a cliff. God prevented them. So, they did their own will by killing Jesus by crucifixion, which God allowed.
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There is no conflation, slavery doesn't eliminate free will, slavery inhibits it.
If one states there is no free will, meaning man can only act according to causes/influences outside his will than that is determinism.
Hyper Calvinism would fall in the determinism camp.
Now Calvinism-lite seeks to balance this by allowing no free will but limited choice, and no choice when it comes to believing he Gospel.
It really is very convoluted.
The arguments about free will/determinism are philosophical in nature. Augustine liked to philosophize and his ideas still permeate western thinking.
Scripture states "even as were are made slave to righteousness" yet we still sin....... so being "slave to sin" does not negate a will which can act freely apart from outside influences.
There is no scripture that states the impact of the fall was to negate man's ability to hear the powerful Gospel message and be unable to respond to the truth which is heard.
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Psa 14:1
The fool ***hath said in his heart***, (a free will act of rebellion) (There is) ***no God***. They (the fool) are corrupt, they (the fool) have done abominable works, there is none (of these fools) that doeth good.
Psa 14:2
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any (of these fools) that did understand, and seek God.
Psa 14:3
They (the fools) are all gone aside, they (the fools) are all together become filthy: there is none (of these fools) that doeth good, no, not one.
Paul quoting Ps 14 and Ps 53:
Rom 3:10
As it is written, There is none (of these fools) righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11
There is none (of these fools) that understandeth, there is none (of these fools) that seeketh after God.
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Fortunately for them, Adam, Noah, David and Paul were NOT fools.
And no, the Pharisees were NOT commanded by God to kill Jesus. Nor did God command Satan to do ANYTHING that He did during passion week. All parties were free will agents. And the whenever the Pharisees were speaking lies about Jesus-God, they were speaking of THEIR own and were the father of their own lies.
Jhn 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The fool ***hath said in his heart***, (a free will act of rebellion) (There is) ***no God***. They (the fool) are corrupt, they (the fool) have done abominable works, there is none (of these fools) that doeth good.
Psa 14:2
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any (of these fools) that did understand, and seek God.
Psa 14:3
They (the fools) are all gone aside, they (the fools) are all together become filthy: there is none (of these fools) that doeth good, no, not one.
Paul quoting Ps 14 and Ps 53:
Rom 3:10
As it is written, There is none (of these fools) righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11
There is none (of these fools) that understandeth, there is none (of these fools) that seeketh after God.
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Fortunately for them, Adam, Noah, David and Paul were NOT fools.
And no, the Pharisees were NOT commanded by God to kill Jesus. Nor did God command Satan to do ANYTHING that He did during passion week. All parties were free will agents. And the whenever the Pharisees were speaking lies about Jesus-God, they were speaking of THEIR own and were the father of their own lies.
Jhn 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
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