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Susanna

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I hate to say this but that is a really stupid remark. If freedom scares you, move to Cuba or China. Why do you continue to live in a country that has always upheld liberty and justice for all?
I have taken several bullets for this country’s freedom, but giving the president even more power than today is still crazy.

It’s not freedom when the president has that much power. It’s the contrary.

What would you say if another president had all that power?
 

Bob-Carabbio

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Do you understand how contrary this question is to the word of God?

1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

1 Corinthians 14 is the only chapter in the New testament that tells Christians how to meet and it includes the prophets speaking two or three.

This word translated prophet means:
  1. in Greek writings, an interpreter of oracles or of other hidden things
So any Bible expositor would be considered a prophet.
  1. one who, moved by the Spirit of God and hence his organ or spokesman, solemnly declares to men what he has received by inspiration, especially concerning future events, and in particular such as relate to the cause and kingdom of God and to human salvation
    1. the OT prophets, having foretold the kingdom, deeds and death, of Jesus the Messiah.
    2. of John the Baptist, the herald of Jesus the Messiah
    3. of the illustrious prophet, the Jews expected before the advent of the Messiah
    4. the Messiah
    5. of men filled with the Spirit of God, who by God's authority and command in words of weight pleads the cause of God and urges salvation of men
    6. of prophets that appeared in the apostolic age among Christians
      1. they are associated with the apostles
      2. they discerned and did what is best for the Christian cause, foretelling certain future events. (Acts 11:27)
      3. in the religious assemblies of the Christians, they were moved by the Holy Spirit to speak, having power to instruct, comfort, encourage, rebuke, convict, and stimulate, their hearers

So then anyone who has a dream or vision would be considered a prophet.
  1. a poet (because poets were believed to sing under divine inspiration)
    1. of Epimenides (Tit. 1:12)

People who write Christian songs would be considered prophets.

1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

The prophets are speaking the word of God, According to Vine's word expository the word means:

"one who speaks forth or openly" (see PROPHECY, A), "a proclaimer of a divine message," denoted among the Greeks an interpreter of the oracles of the gods.

If you are witnessing of Jesus Christ and the things He has done then you are by definition a prophet.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Turn the question around, are there any false prophets in the last 100 years? Of course. Obviously. A false prophet is a counterfeit to a true prophet. There would be no point in having false prophets if we did not have true prophets. If you see more and more false prophets then know there are also more and more true prophets. Just like the wheat and tares growing together, they are both in the Lord's field, one planted by the word of God and one planted by His enemy. If the entire field were tares God would have simply burned it down, but because there is also wheat growing with the tares He lets them both grow together.
Entirely too inclusive.
A Biblical prophet is one who speaks words supplied to them by God.
 

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I have taken several bullets for this country’s freedom, but giving the president even more power than today is still crazy.

It’s not freedom when the president has that much power. It’s the contrary.

What would you say if another president had all that power?

The point is presidential power has eroded over time and transferred to the administrative class and it is restoring it to what was the original intention of the framing of this system of government.

Show us one place in the document that expands presidential power beyond that which was intended in 1781?
 

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I've actually never heard of Project 2025, so i googled around a bit and saw their page which was quite extensive and i was looking for a summary which i found in Wikipedia.
There's some good points in there which i like, but not because of any Christian relation but because they make sense for United States.
During my time in US (30+ years) i have never noticed a difference in my day-to-day life regardless of who's president.
What i have noticed is that the left tried to adjust language according to their misguided understandings, so based on that alone, this project seems like a good idea to counter-balance it. Because the language and common sense itself has eroded during the last 10-15 years especially. So that is something that I've definitely noticed.
And this is something that's usually expected in history. If you push and harp on one tune too much, there will be a different tune to balance it.

I don't understand a lot of the details about this project but Wikipedia says:

"Project 2025, also known as the 2025 Presidential Transition Project[3], is an initiative organized by the Heritage Foundation with the aim of promoting conservative and right-wing policies to reshape the United States federal government and consolidate executive power should Donald Trump win the 2024 presidential election.[4][5] The Project asserts that the entire executive branch is under the direct control of the president under the unitary executive theory."
So far so good.

"It proposes reclassifying tens of thousands of federal civil service workers as political appointees, in order to replace them with people loyal to the president.[8][9] Proponents argue it would dismantle what they view as a vast, unaccountable, and mostly liberal government bureaucracy.[10]"
This is actually not a bad idea as long as they don't touch the people who are qualified to do the actual work.
Because this method is something that happens in Eastern Europe on a yearly basis.
Depending on who's in power, they fire the previous administration and they hire their loyal people. But, they don't typically touch the people who do the actual work, like an engineer etc.
The question now is, what happens when the Dems are in power and do this? Will the U.S. citizens be okay with these transitions based on who is in power? And more importantly, how much change will I see on my day-to-day life?
If i see the language police dismantled and some common-sense restored then yes, this is something that everyone should support eventually to restore some balance which has been eroded in the last 10-15 years.
But then you'd also have to factor-in that when a Dem president is in office, he will undo a lot of what was done. So what do we gain ultimately?

Project seeks to infuse the government and society with conservative Christian values.[11][12] Critics have characterized Project 2025 as an authoritarian, Christian nationalist, and White supremacist plan to steer the US toward autocracy.[11][13][14][15] Many legal experts have said it would undermine the rule of law,[16] the separation of powers,[5] the separation of church and state,[17] and civil liberties.[5][16][18]
This part made me chuckle a bit, because Christian values vary from zip code to zip code but ultimately, as long as United States doesn't turn into the equivalent of an Islamic Republic, this should be okay to counter-balance the degeneracy of the woke people with no clothes on the street.

Project 2025 envisions widespread changes to government, particularly economic and social policies and the role of the federal government and its agencies. The plan proposes taking partisan control of the Department of Justice (DOJ), Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Department of Commerce, Federal Communications Commission (FCC), and Federal Trade Commission (FTC), dismantling the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and sharply reducing environmental and climate change regulations to favor fossil fuel production.[16][19] The blueprint seeks to institute tax cuts,[20] though its writers disagree on protectionism.[21] Project 2025 recommends abolishing the Department of Education, whose programs would be transferred to other agencies or terminated.[22][23]
I'm okay with this except the dismantling of the Dpt of Homeland Security. Why would you want to dismantle your home and country security? I don't understand this.
And yes, i realize that the department of education would be forced to teach a Protestant Bible but it is much better than confusing kids about their gender.

Funding for climate research would be cut and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) would be reformed according to conservative principles.[24][25] The project seeks to cut Medicare and Medicaid,
Why would you want to want to cut healthcare for your citizens? Nevermind. This is a default feature for USA like the 2nd amendment.
It's considered to be a "communist move" or a "socialist move" when you have Universal Healthcare for your citizens.
Carry on. Nothing to see here.

and urges the government to explicitly reject abortion as health care.[28][29] The project seeks to eliminate coverage of emergency contraception[26] and enforce the Comstock Act to prosecute those who send and receive contraceptives and abortion pills nationwide.[29][30] It proposes criminalizing pornography,[31]: 5 [32] removing legal protections against discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity,[32][33] and terminating diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs[5][33] and affirmative action[34] by having the DOJ prosecute "anti-white racism."[35] The Project recommends the arrest, detention, and deportation of illegal immigrants.[36][37][38] It proposes deploying the military for domestic law enforcement.[39] It promotes capital punishment and the speedy "finality" of those sentences.[40][41]
Terminating DEI would be a huge win here no doubt about that. As far as the rest, it's okay if they press on the gas pedal a bit to counter balance the woke ideas.

Some conservatives and Republicans have criticized the plan for its stance on climate change[42] and foreign trade.[21] Other critics believe Project 2025 is rhetorical "window-dressing" for what would be 4 years of personal vengeance,[10] in addition to trying to undo "most everything implemented" during the Biden administration.[8] The project's authors acknowledge most proposals would require the Republican Party to control the House of Representatives and Senate.[10] Some aspects have been ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court and would face court challenges, while others are norm-breaking proposals that might survive court challenges.[43]
I mean, yeah this is what i was saying earlier about what happens when a Dem is in charge. Is he going to make us drive electric cars and wear ugly makeup to work or what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
 

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I've actually never heard of Project 2025, so i googled around a bit and saw their page which was quite extensive and i was looking for a summary which i found in Wikipedia.
You cannot trust Leftist Wikipedia when it comes to politics. They already put a false slant to Project 25:

"Project 2025, also known as the 2025 Presidential Transition Project[3], is an initiative organized by the Heritage Foundation with the aim of promoting conservative and right-wing policies..." There is nothing "right wing" about preserving what is already in the Constitution and freeing America from tyranny (as did the Founding Fathers)

" The Project asserts that the entire executive branch is under the direct control of the president under the unitary executive theory." There is no "unitary executive theory". The entire executive branch is supposed to be under the direct control of the president, according to the Constitution.

The Left has been fear-mongering about Project 25, and here's the reason why:
The Democrat Party is the Greatest Threat to America - American Thinker

Many people are waking up to this fact but many are not.
 

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You cannot trust Leftist Wikipedia when it comes to politics. They already put a false slant to Project 25:

"Project 2025, also known as the 2025 Presidential Transition Project[3], is an initiative organized by the Heritage Foundation with the aim of promoting conservative and right-wing policies..." There is nothing "right wing" about preserving what is already in the Constitution and freeing America from tyranny (as did the Founding Fathers)

" The Project asserts that the entire executive branch is under the direct control of the president under the unitary executive theory." There is no "unitary executive theory". The entire executive branch is supposed to be under the direct control of the president, according to the Constitution.

The Left has been fear-mongering about Project 25, and here's the reason why:
The Democrat Party is the Greatest Threat to America - American Thinker

Many people are waking up to this fact but many are not.
It's okay i understand how left-wing Wiki works and it's not the "conservative" word that bothers me. Maybe it would bother a leftist.
I was going for the actual details despite on how leftist wiki labels them with their slogans.
 

Nehemiah6

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I was going for the actual details despite on how leftist wiki labels them with their slogans.
Everyone -- particularly those who think Project 25 is "extreme" -- should go to the Heritage Foundation website and educate themselves. But they all seem to want to run away from the actual wording, and are going by negative third party opinions.

When you do a Google search the search engines have stopped being neutral and informative only. All the Leftist media opinions show up, and not a single conservative opinion. Google is making sure that only the Left gets a hearing. Google also made sure that people would see nothing about the Trump assassination. Google has been working for the Democrats for a very long time.
 

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Everyone -- particularly those who think Project 25 is "extreme" -- should go to the Heritage Foundation website and educate themselves. But they all seem to want to run away from the actual wording, and are going by negative third party opinions.

When you do a Google search the search engines have stopped being neutral and informative only. All the Leftist media opinions show up, and not a single conservative opinion. Google is making sure that only the Left gets a hearing. Google also made sure that people would see nothing about the Trump assassination. Google has been working for the Democrats for a very long time.
My friend, i realize all of that but again i was going for the actual details.
Do you have all the details? That's all i am commenting on. Can you please give me a list or a summary of this project in terms of details?
I realize how news networks work, so i was going for the actual details of the project.
Despite all the bias, Wiki gave me some details.
Are those details wrong? Do you have a list of details you can show here so i can take a look?
 

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It already is. The President is the head of the executive branch. Do you believe our founders who set up the 3 branches of government were extreme?
Anything else?
“The head of the executive branch” and “under the direct control of the president” are two different regimes.
 

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Do you have a list of details you can show here so i can take a look?
You will need to go to the Heritage Foundation website and spend some time reviewing what they have presented. Ther is a lot of information.

But here is their summary:

1. Restore the family as the centerpiece of American life and protect our children.

2. Dismantle the administrative state and return self-governance to the American people.

3. Defend our nation’s sovereignty, borders, and bounty against global threats.

4. Secure our God-given individual rights to live freely—what our Constitution calls “the Blessings of Liberty.

This is not right wing extremism and Christian Nationalism. It is just common sense goals based on the Constitution.
 

Susanna

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Which shows your ignorance about Project 25. To defend and protect the Constitution and the liberties under it is not extremism in the least. The Constitution says that the government is a government of the people but you prefer government by the Deep State.

Here is what the Heritage Foundation briefly says about this project:

The Truth About Project 2025
The Left has spent millions fearmongering about Project 2025, because they’re terrified of losing their power. And they should be. Project 2025 offers a menu of solutions to the border crisis, inflation, a stagnant economy, and rampant crime. It shows how we can take on China, fix our schools, and support families. But most importantly, it dismantles the unaccountable Deep State, taking power away from Leftist elites and giving it back to the American people and duly-elected President.

Project 2025 is a historic movement, brought together by over 100 respected organizations from across the conservative movement, to abolish the Deep State and return government to the people. It was stood up in 2022, before any major candidate announced a campaign, to assist the next conservative president.
Project 2025 is not partisan, nor is it secret. Project 2025 does not speak for any candidate or campaign, in any capacity. We are an open book, with our materials available online.


So go to their website and educate yourself.
I forgot to say: Project 25 sounds like a magic wand.
 

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“The head of the executive branch” and “under the direct control of the president” are two different regimes.
They are not. Don't create fictitious nonsense. If you are the president you are indeed the head of the executive branch.
 

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You will need to go to the Heritage Foundation website and spend some time reviewing what they have presented. Ther is a lot of information.

But here is their summary:

1. Restore the family as the centerpiece of American life and protect our children.

2. Dismantle the administrative state and return self-governance to the American people.

3. Defend our nation’s sovereignty, borders, and bounty against global threats.

4. Secure our God-given individual rights to live freely—what our Constitution calls “the Blessings of Liberty.

This is not right wing extremism and Christian Nationalism. It is just common sense goals based on the Constitution.
I have no issues with any of those and they sound like great ideas to me.
 

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The are not. Don't create fictitious nonsense. If you are the president you are indeed the head of the executive branch.
Get the details and the spirit of the American executive branches and the chain of command correct before you say I’m creating “fictitious nonsense”.
 

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“The head of the executive branch” and “under the direct control of the president” are two different regimes.
No it's not. He is the chief executive of the Executive branch of government. He is over every person who works in the Executive branch. This is nothing new.
 

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No it's not. He is the chief executive of the Executive branch of government. He is over every person who works in the Executive branch. This is nothing new.
We have a chain of command in the executive branch that the president cannot meddle into. That’s a significant difference between “head of” and “under direct control”.
 

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We have a chain of command in the executive branch that the president cannot meddle into. That’s a significant difference between “head of” and “under direct control”.
Having a chain of command doesn't negate ultimate authority. Everyone below the level of President is under the authority of the President.

It's no different from any company. The owner of the company may delegate to individuals to oversee the different divisions of the company, but the owner still has authority over every employee there.
 

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It could be people misunderstood what he said like when he made the blood mass comment, but if he can't clearly communicate what he's trying to say then maybe he shouldn't be running for president
Or could it be that the media is selectively editing what he's saying?