Sixth prophecy to America

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
jonathanbchristian

jonathanbchristian

Banned
#1
Feb 16, 2011
2,957
24
0
#1
Thus saith the Lord, I love my people; come out and be ye seperate sayeth the Lord. I hate when my people go to war in America. I hate when my people agree with the adversary the devil. I hate when my people elect wicked government. Thus saith the Lord, repent and do the works that are of God. I love my people yet I hate America as I hated Egypt. Be set apart by God as the people of God. Thus saith the Lord, I will not bless those who are luke-warm. I will not bless those who agree with the wicked for gain. Thus saith the Lord, America is a place of too many opinions. Thus saith the Lord, agree not with the wicked and adulterous. Marriage is but nothing to those who live in America. Come apart and be ye seperate. Jesus himself speaks against American marriage for they are always in adultery. Did God not say in the book of Matthew chapter five and nineteen that you should not marry the divorced and that you should not divorce unless it is for fornication? Come out and be ye seperate saith the Lord. Go not to war in America for I hate the works of those who kill the thousands for their beliefs. Is it God who they beilieve? Does my Scripture require war to promote My ways, saith the Lord. Is it not the ways of America that are promoted, not My ways?
 
R

rodogg

Guest
#2
#2
Can I make a suggestion? Instead of saying things like "Thus saith the Lord" say something like, "I think", or "I think what the Lord want's is..." etc etc. Maybe the things that you're saying ARE things that God would agree with, but that doesn't mean that God TOLD you to say them. Now maybe I'm wrong, and God IS giving you prophesies, but, I don't think so. I think your heart is in the right place, you're just going about it the wrong way and that's why you getting so much ridicule.
 
A

AnandaHya

Guest
#3
#3
Johnathon does YOU or YOUR wife commit adultery? does JESUS speak against YOUR marriage?

"Jesus himself speaks against American marriage for they are always in adultery."
 
jonathanbchristian

jonathanbchristian

Banned
#4
Feb 16, 2011
2,957
24
0
#4
AnandaHya said:
Johnathon does YOU or YOUR wife commit adultery? does JESUS speak against YOUR marriage?

"Jesus himself speaks against American marriage for they are always in adultery."
Click to expand...

No, Jesus is not against my marriage because my wife and I have only been married to each other. She was never married before and neither was I. In fact I've been engaged or married to her since I was old enough to get married. Jesus is against divorce and remarriage. Those who are divorced cannot remarry. It what Jesus himself said. Yet we see in America that many people if not half of all married people in America have been divorced or divorced and remarried. This is against the Bible and it is the common practice in America.
 
A

AnandaHya

Guest
#5
#5
we discussed this already. the Bible is quite clear in exceptions to the case, young widows are told to remarry and wives of unbelievers who leave them are allowed to remarry also.
 
jonathanbchristian

jonathanbchristian

Banned
#6
Feb 16, 2011
2,957
24
0
#6
Widows can always be remarried. But I don't believe the Scripture says that someone married to an unbeliever can marry someone else. The Bible says, 1 Corinthians 7:15 "But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace." It never says they can remarry it just says they can let the unbeliever leave. We can't make an unbeliever not divorce us. We are called to peace. The next verse gives proof that we should stay married if possible to the unbeliever, 1 Corinthians 7:16 "For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?" We are never told we should divorce the unbeliever we are told we should let them leave if they want to and the Bible never says you should remarry.
 
A

AnandaHya

Guest
#7
#7
not going to argue with you about it.

Romans 14:13
Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

James 4

11 Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. 12 There is one Lawgiver,[d] who is able to save and to destroy. Who[e] are you to judge another?

your words place stumbling blocks and heavy weights that the Bible does not support.

Marriage is sacred and people should stop sinning but to judge everyone with blanket curses is not wise.

you were married in America, so YOUR marriage is an "American marriage"

do you truly harness your tongue and your thoughts to COMPLETE obedience to Christ?
 
Last edited:
jonathanbchristian

jonathanbchristian

Banned
#8
Feb 16, 2011
2,957
24
0
#8
My marriage is Christian, not American. God is against American marriage culture not His own teachings. I simply quote the Bible; did Jesus put a stumbling block before His people? No. It's considered adultery to remarry. If you don't believe Jesus then you don't believe the Bible. If you don't have a Biblical marriage, then you need to repent. We can't live in adultery. A remarriage of someone divorced is not marriage; it is adultery and God does not except those people's claim to be married.
 
Red33

Red33

Banned
#9
Jun 24, 2010
3,822
19
0
#9
jonathanbchristian said:
My marriage is Christian, not American. God is against American marriage culture not His own teachings. I simply quote the Bible; did Jesus put a stumbling block before His people? No. It's considered adultery to remarry. If you don't believe Jesus then you don't believe the Bible. If you don't have a Biblical marriage, then you need to repent. We can't live in adultery. A remarriage of someone divorced is not marriage; it is adultery and God does not except those people's claim to be married.
Click to expand...
Is there any redemption for these situations and did the shed blood of Christ pay for these kind of sins as well. What is your answer to these things?
 
jonathanbchristian

jonathanbchristian

Banned
#10
Feb 16, 2011
2,957
24
0
#10
I believe they can be forgiven. But I don't believe forgiveness makes adultery not adultery. Someone who is in adultery needs to repent and stop commiting adultery. Forgiveness doesn't make murder, lieing, stealing, or fornicatioin not a sin. Adultery is the same way. We need to stop doing it when we ask forgiveness. If someone asked forgiveness for murder but didn't stop killing, they would not be saved. If someone was commiting fornication with someone and didn't stop having premarital sex they would not be saved. We must repent of sin when we ask forgiveness. Forgiveness doesn't make it good to be divorced and remarried and just like every other sin, we must repent.
 
damombomb

damombomb

Senior Member
#11
Feb 27, 2011
3,801
68
48
#11
Isaiah57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabit eternity, whose name os Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is
of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones
 
Red33

Red33

Banned
#12
Jun 24, 2010
3,822
19
0
#12
jonathanbchristian said:
I believe they can be forgiven. But I don't believe forgiveness makes adultery not adultery. Someone who is in adultery needs to repent and stop commiting adultery. Forgiveness doesn't make murder, lieing, stealing, or fornicatioin not a sin. Adultery is the same way. We need to stop doing it when we ask forgiveness. If someone asked forgiveness for murder but didn't stop killing, they would not be saved. If someone was commiting fornication with someone and didn't stop having premarital sex they would not be saved. We must repent of sin when we ask forgiveness. Forgiveness doesn't make it good to be divorced and remarried and just like every other sin, we must repent.
Click to expand...
What is the redemption that is in Christ for this kind of situation (Rom 3:24, 1Cor 1:30, Eph 1:7)? Do we find our repemption in repentance or in Christ?
 
P

PneumaPsucheSoma

Banned
#13
Feb 23, 2011
1,708
13
0
#13
jonathanbchristian said:
My marriage is Christian, not American. God is against American marriage culture not His own teachings. I simply quote the Bible; did Jesus put a stumbling block before His people? No. It's considered adultery to remarry. If you don't believe Jesus then you don't believe the Bible. If you don't have a Biblical marriage, then you need to repent. We can't live in adultery. A remarriage of someone divorced is not marriage; it is adultery and God does not except those people's claim to be married.
Click to expand...
If you're going to speak a first-person "Thus saith the Lord" prophecy, you'd better be sure the applicable scripture actually says what you're representing God says. The widely-held meaning of Matthew ch5 and ch19 is a misleading teaching on what Jesus was addressing. "Putting away" and divorce are different things, and Jesus was addressing guilty husbands verbally "putting away" innocent wives without a writ. This caused them to become guilty of adultery by the written Law that was circumvented by invoking ancient verbal law from the Code of Hammurabi to supercede the Law. A written bill of divorcement was required by the Law.

God is divorced. God commanded the "putting away" (verbal divorcement) of foreign wives in Ezra, because they weren't valid according to the Law.

You have fallen into the trap of indoctrination and self-righteousness; and have falsely prophesied. What does the Word say about those who falsely prophesy?

Please go to the Clue Store and purchase several.
 
Last edited:
jonathanbchristian

jonathanbchristian

Banned
#14
Feb 16, 2011
2,957
24
0
#14
Matthew 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts allowed you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doeth commit adultery.

Puting away is divorce. You said God wouldn't allow puting away because it wasn't divorce with a bill, yet Jesus said you could put away your wife for fornication. If putting away was always a sin, then how can you put away your wife for fornication. I believe your doctrine has this problem. Jesus let men put away their wives for fornication. Puting away is not a sin if it is done for the right reason.It's not about the bill of divorcement; it's about the reason for divorce. Jesus never preached against puting away the way you said. He didn't say it was ok to divorce if you had the bill of divorce. Quote one Scripture where Jesus said you could divorce with a bill of divorcement like you teach. He never did.
 
Last edited:
P

PneumaPsucheSoma

Banned
#15
Feb 23, 2011
1,708
13
0
#15
jonathanbchristian said:
Matthew 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts allowed you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doeth commit adultery.

Puting away is divorce. You said God wouldn't allow puting away because it wasn't divorce with a bill, yet Jesus said you could put away your wife for fornication. If putting away was always a sin, then how can you put away your wife for fornication. I believe your doctrine has this problem. Jesus let men put away their wives for fornication. Puting away is not a sin if it is done for the right reason.It's not about the bill of divorcement; it's about the reason for divorce. Jesus never preached against puting away the way you said. He didn't say it was ok to divorce if you had the bill of divorce. Quote one Scripture where Jesus said you could divorce with a bill of divorcement like you teach. He never did.
Click to expand...
You lack an understanding of Greek to exegete this and other related passages. "Putting away" (apoluo G630) is regarding verbal divorce. The guilty parties were the husbands "putting away" their wives without divorcing them according to the Law. They kept the dowry and sent their wives out homeless but innocent, then remarried. The wives were left to return to their fathers' home in shame or to turn to prostitution. The context of each passage in the Gospels is the same. The Pauline passages deal with Roman verbal divorce.

Fornication in these passages is porneia (G4202), and isn't what is commonly inferred from English understanding.

You won't be disuaded, I'm sure. But this is truth you're now accountable for. I've spent years praying and studying through this to minister to those who have been "branded" by the self-righteous and ignorant/adamant.

So... In the midst of idolatry and true rampant adultery and every degenerate behavior, you're going to guilt those who have divorced/remarried and sought repentance as the source of God's wrath on America.

Your narrow demand for scripture is characteristic of a novice. The exegesis for Matt. 5 & 19 is about guilty husbands verbally putting away innocent wives.

The penalty for adultery was death, not divorce. Read Deut. 24:1-4. (Not that you could be taught anything if you're falsely first-person prophesying as God Himself.)

Please stop for your own sake.
 
A

AnandaHya

Guest
#17
#17
PneumaPsucheSoma said:
So... In the midst of idolatry and true rampant adultery and every degenerate behavior, you're going to guilt those who have divorced/remarried and sought repentance as the source of God's wrath on America.

Please stop for your own sake.
Click to expand...
And your mom's :( such guilt and condemnation, do you tell your dad the same thing?
 
Shilo

Shilo

Senior Member
#18
Aug 31, 2011
1,974
102
63
#18
PneumaPsucheSoma said:
You lack an understanding of Greek to exegete this and other related passages. "Putting away" (apoluo G630) is regarding verbal divorce. The guilty parties were the husbands "putting away" their wives without divorcing them according to the Law. They kept the dowry and sent their wives out homeless but innocent, then remarried. The wives were left to return to their fathers' home in shame or to turn to prostitution. The context of each passage in the Gospels is the same. The Pauline passages deal with Roman verbal divorce.

Fornication in these passages is porneia (G4202), and isn't what is commonly inferred from English understanding.

You won't be disuaded, I'm sure. But this is truth you're now accountable for. I've spent years praying and studying through this to minister to those who have been "branded" by the self-righteous and ignorant/adamant.

So... In the midst of idolatry and true rampant adultery and every degenerate behavior, you're going to guilt those who have divorced/remarried and sought repentance as the source of God's wrath on America.

Your narrow demand for scripture is characteristic of a novice. The exegesis for Matt. 5 & 19 is about guilty husbands verbally putting away innocent wives.

The penalty for adultery was death, not divorce. Read Deut. 24:1-4. (Not that you could be taught anything if you're falsely first-person prophesying as God Himself.)

Please stop for your own sake.
Click to expand...
Could you if you know the answer to other miss understood passages open a Thread and give us the back ground. Thank you for give out from your wisdom may you be blessed in the LORD.
 
jonathanbchristian

jonathanbchristian

Banned
#19
Feb 16, 2011
2,957
24
0
#19
PneumaPsucheSoma said:
You lack an understanding of Greek to exegete this and other related passages. "Putting away" (apoluo G630) is regarding verbal divorce. The guilty parties were the husbands "putting away" their wives without divorcing them according to the Law. They kept the dowry and sent their wives out homeless but innocent, then remarried. The wives were left to return to their fathers' home in shame or to turn to prostitution. The context of each passage in the Gospels is the same. The Pauline passages deal with Roman verbal divorce.

Fornication in these passages is porneia (G4202), and isn't what is commonly inferred from English understanding.

You won't be disuaded, I'm sure. But this is truth you're now accountable for. I've spent years praying and studying through this to minister to those who have been "branded" by the self-righteous and ignorant/adamant.

So... In the midst of idolatry and true rampant adultery and every degenerate behavior, you're going to guilt those who have divorced/remarried and sought repentance as the source of God's wrath on America.

Your narrow demand for scripture is characteristic of a novice. The exegesis for Matt. 5 & 19 is about guilty husbands verbally putting away innocent wives.

The penalty for adultery was death, not divorce. Read Deut. 24:1-4. (Not that you could be taught anything if you're falsely first-person prophesying as God Himself.)

Please stop for your own sake.
Click to expand...
No one every said in the Bible that they were not giving them bills of divorcement and I don't think you even have historical eveidence to back that up. I believe your belief is a myth. Put away means divorce in Greek, so deal with it. I know plenty of people who study Greek including my Greek teacher who believe that it means divorce. I fact I had this conversation with my Greek teacher at Bible College. Put away is divorced. You should at least provide a source for your belief. It's not in the Bible so I guess you should quote some Bible history book. I would stick with the Bible.
 
C

Consumed

Guest
#20
#20
I'm not sure if people actually are condoning divorce and remarriage.

1 cor 7 Lord commands not Paul, ok, break up, fine yet one is still bound to the other til death do them part.
Anything til then would have to be commiting adultery wouldn't it?? He is referring to believers. People say "but grace" sure, grace to reconcile not go against Jesus' word.
But end of the day it how one interprets a vow of marriage, if it's a covenant that can easily be broken.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.