Is the Gospel the power of God unto salvation?

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#41
The gospel is available to all.
Hello Cameron,
The gospel is only available to those who hear it, preached, or read it in scripture. It is offered to all who hear it. Even today, hundreds have died who never have heard about Jesus. That is why missionaries go into all the world.
 

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Hello Cameron,
The gospel is only available to those who hear it, preached, or read it in scripture. It is offered to all who hear it. Even today, hundreds have died who never have heard about Jesus. That is why missionaries go into all the world.
Agree. I should have chosen different language. The gospel message is for all. There will be those who never hear it. There will be those who hear it whose hearts are not fertile ground. And some seed will produce a harvest.
 
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Agree. I should have chosen different language. The gospel message is for all. There will be those who never hear it. There will be those who hear it whose hearts are not fertile ground. And some seed will produce a harvest.
We are to be about Kingdom business 24/7.God has saved us and called us for a reason, an that is to make Him known everywhere we can.
 

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... the gospel is not for all men ever born
I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. All people HAVE been born - unless you know of
some who were hatched.

They will not have a Savior ...
But they HAD the Savior - they just spurned Him.

God, who is the Saviour of all men ... 1 Tim 4:10
Who gave himself a ransom for all 1 Tim 2:6
And he is the propitiation ... for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2
... the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 1 John 4:14
... this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world. John 4:42
... but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:17
I came ... to save the world. John 12:47
... that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. Heb 2:9

While the gospel is offered to all men who hear it ...
... the gospel ... which was preached to every creature which is under heaven Col 1:23
... the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; Col 1:5-6
How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things ... But I say,
Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Romans 10:15-18
Jesus Christ was a minister ... for the truth of God ... And ... he saith ... Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him,
all ye people. Romans 15:8-11
O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people. 2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us ... Psalms
117:1-2
... all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God. Psalms 98:3
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. Isaiah 45:22
For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; Luke 2:30-31
And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that
every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. Num 21:8
The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory. Psalms 97:6
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Titus 2:11
... and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Gen 12:3
 

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Repentance will always have its results. Repentance is a sorrow and changed of mind that results to bring a right action. It's a prequisite to salvation by faith. If repentance means a turning away of sin, then it is some kind of works but it isnt. Yes, repentance is a root that works for it produces fruit yet we are only saved through faith. There is repentance wgen convicted with Holy Spirit upon hearing of the word or the gospel.
 
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[I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. All people HAVE been born - unless you know of some who were hatched.]
Are all People saved?

[But they HAD the Savior - they just spurned Him.]

There is no "potential saviour," except in a philosophy class. Biblically, a spurned saviour is their JUDGE

[God, who is the Saviour of all men ...
1 Tim 4:10]
There is no other Saviour.....but He only saves those who believe;
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
11 These things command and teach.


[Who gave himself a ransom for all 1 Tim 2:6]

be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. All men, kings, those in authority,rich, poor,young, old

[And he is the propitiation ... for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2]

"the sins of" is in italics, added by the translators
[... the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 1 John 4:14]

There is no other Acts4:12.....The whole world will not be saved.The children who are scattered worldwide will be.Jn 11;
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one
the children of God that were scattered abroad.




... this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world. John 4:42
... but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:17
I came ... to save the world. John 12:47
[... that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. Heb 2:9]

The everyone of vs.9 is defined by the passage as the elect seed of Abraham
9 and him who was made some little less than messengers we see -- Jesus -- because of the suffering of the death, with glory and honour having been crowned, that by the grace of God for every one he might taste of death.
10 For it was becoming to Him, because of whom [are] the all things, and through whom [are] the all things,
many sons to glory bringing, the author of their salvation through sufferings to make perfect,
11 for both he who is sanctifying and
those sanctified [are] all of one, for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
12 saying, `I will declare Thy name to my brethren, in the midst of an assembly I will sing praise to Thee;' and again, `I will be trusting on Him;'
13 and again,
`Behold I and the children that God did give to me.'
14 Seeing, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, he himself also in like manner did take part of the same, that through death he might destroy him having the power of death -- that is, the devil --
15 and might deliver those, whoever, with fear of death, throughout all their life, were subjects of bondage,
16 for, doubtless, of messengers it doth not lay hold,
but of seed of Abraham it layeth hold,


[... the gospel ... which was preached to every creature which is under heaven Col 1:23
... the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; Col 1:5-6]
The Gospel has not been preached to every person still today. Do you ever try and read with understanding?


How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things ... But I say,
Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Romans 10:15-18
Jesus Christ was a minister ... for the truth of God ... And ... he saith ... Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him,
all ye people. Romans 15:8-11
O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people. 2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us ... Psalms
117:1-2
... all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God. Psalms 98:3
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. Isaiah 45:22
For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; Luke 2:30-31
And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that
every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. Num 21:8
The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory. Psalms 97:6
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Titus 2:11
... and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Gen 12:3
The Scope is worldwide, but not all will be saved.God has never intended to save all men.Only those Elect children.
 

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And some seed will produce a harvest.
"..and while others are out harvesting some of us will be picking out drapes and grass paper for kingdom walls." -KJVBBQ

Don't @ me! You know this is good hermeneutics!
 

Cameron143

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"..and while others are out harvesting some of us will be picking out drapes and grass paper for kingdom walls." -KJVBBQ

Don't @ me! You know this is good hermeneutics!
That you know what grass paper is makes you imminently qualified in my opinion. I'll be too tired to look at the wallpaper anyway, just make sure the laundry crew keeps fresh sheets on the hammock. If this is not your department, I'll see if I can help you get a promotion. Good help is hard to find.
 

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#52
The Gospel is the road map to Jesus. Jesus is the way to Salvation. Being filled with the Spirit is the Power.
 

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Whats is the use of the gospel to spread worlwide? Thanks
HELLO FREDO.
God has an eternal purpose that He has made known to The Church. Eph3;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord

God has chosen a multitude of sinners, who are scattered worldwide, to be the objects of His saving love. God has ordained that preaching would be the primary way God uses to save these people.The Spirit gives those elected a new heart, so they can welcome truth.Ezk.36:25-27
Rom.10;
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 

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"repentance means a total turning away from sins..."
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Please do a word study on the term repent and repentance in the KJ Bible.
People's eternal destinies depend on it.
Thank you
“And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.”
‭‭1 Samuel‬ ‭15:35‬

“And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.”
‭‭2 Samuel‬ ‭24:16‬ ‭

“And when the LORD raised them up judges, then the LORD was with the judge, and delivered them out of the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge: for it repented the LORD because of their groanings by reason of them that oppressed them and vexed them.”
‭‭Judges‬ ‭2:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of:

but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭7:9-10‬ ‭

Do you notice how a change in the heart precedes and accompanies repentance ?

“if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

repentance is a call a gentle one that requires us to listen to Jesus in the gospel . It is merciful and gentle a gift that comes fro. Simply hearing our lord in truth and believing
“But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭9:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It comes from e change of heart the gospel makes in someone who actually hears and believes him. It’s a gift imparted through this process

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and it leads us to this conclusion and purpose

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s not easy it’s a sorrowful and painful process hurts the heart moments of self realization and honesty it requires to look at myself in light of the lords true judgements causes change in a bekievers heart and gives us as a gift through belief this then leads to the fruits of repentance

have to hear and believe so that God can accomplish This change of our Will to do good and also our strength to do what we’re supposed to

“For it is God which worketh in you ( when we believe his word ) both to will ( he can change our desires and will to sin )

and to do of his good pleasure.”( and can change our actions if we dont resist)
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:13‬

we can’t do it without going through him revealed in the gospel but in him we can do all things because he gives us strength by faith

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

By following Jesus and the gospel it leads everyone to repentance it’s when we refuse to hear him that causes our issues

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

salvation is found in the gospel repentance comes from belief of the heart hearing the truth

“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬

repentance to the acknolwedging of the truth
 

Pilgrimshope

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Whats is the use of the gospel to spread worlwide? Thanks
Yea besides the Bible says clearly he wants all men to be saved that’s why he sent the gospel to all people for salvation sayong any who believe shall be saved

his Will is that all are saved

“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And that no one perish so he’s giving us time and patience

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God wants all to be saved and no one to perish but he’s out the option before us l we have to do is actually listen to what he said and believe him it will lead us to salvation

its hard to tell some folks this because they feel God decides for us if you live or die and that his word offering life and warning us of death is irrelevant

“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭

The person responding “ I have no choice “ isn’t listening to the lord
 

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Nehemiah6 and all CC members reading this thread,

I don't often participate on the Bible Discussion Forum. It is rarely a place where minds are changed to consider other views as most here are convinced after years of time in their perspective churches. However, your title got my attention as I whole heartedly agree with the gospel of Christ. In fact we likely agree on 95% of the topics I've read of your posts if not more.

My doctrinal views are usually clear and plain for all to see as I try to lead others to Christ where there are opportunities. I am happy to answer questions as well.

When I trusted Christ as my Savior, decided to believe that gospel instead of my works, I started attending a Baptist Church. The pastor invited many Evangelists and Missionaries to preach. The topic that was most inconsistent and confused was the response to the gospel per 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Romans 1:16; 10:16, Acts 16:30, etc.
They would often add to faith in Christ things like, "give YOUR LIFE to Christ, turn from your sins, make a commitment", and many things that applied to disciples.

The words "repent and repentance" were defined in context to salvation by those Evangelists/ Missionaries in multiple ways. I thought that they being Evangelists, whose primary responsibility was to lead others to Christ, would be very clear and knowledgeable about the subject. If anyone would know, they would.
I found disagreements even among members of my own church and the deacons. Even when I discussed it with my pastor, they were ignored and swept under the rug for years. I was even told that they were all right.
I asked, how can the responses all be right when they differ?
Like David asked, I asked concerning the gospel of Jesus Christ, Is there not a cause? If salvation is not of works, then why do preachers keep adding works to faith? I do not believe it's of works, yet they are the experts. Perhaps I am just too young and ignorant to know . I haven't read the Bible nearly as much as they have. I don't think God would make it confusing to those who sincerely seek the truth.

One day I decided to take Paul's example and get alone with the Lord to study the subject of salvation in particular for three years with an open mind and open Bible. Even though I attended Church, I spent much time in personal study and away from distractions. I didn't consult commentaries or others opinions. It was a worthy investment of time considering that people's eternal destinies depend upon believing the correct response to the gospel.

Paul, John and the Lord often corrected, rebuked and warned, about the subject.
I turned down a scholarship for a post graduate to a major Bible college and career over this topic, so I don't take it lightly.
I put the "X" meaning disagree after some thought, because I don't want you or anyone else to take it lightly either. I don't think you do.
Nehemiah6, I've read many of your posts and believe that you are a diligent student of the word.
The "X" is to emphasize one small but very significant point that I already stated in my only other post on the previous page. That's all, but it makes a big difference. Other than that, I would have to agree.
However I see that gospel requiring faith from the unbeliever.
I do not agree with your statement,
"repentance means a total turning away from sins..."
Was it a wicked sinner who first repented in the Bible?
Who repented more than anyone?
Does the original language even contain one of the words for sin?

Rather than debate to no end and nobody changes their mind to any benefit, I ask that you and hopefully others will do as I have. Challenge yourselves with an honest open mind to do an exhaustive word study on the words repent/ repentance and beg God for insight, especially as it applies to the context of salvation. It will do no harm and the time spent might be eternally beneficial.

Sincerely,

H&H

Agree... "sorrow' over sins never saved anyone.
Repentance is not sorrow, nor is receiving the gift of salvation based upon turning from sin.
Receiving the gift of salvation, is repentance (change of mind) from one's own dead works to accepting the completed work of Christ Jesus.
 

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Amen, along with denying the ability to believe.
persuasion is an operation that works within mankind we have to listen to be persuaded. One way or the other . There’s a lot on the world to persuade us of satans ideas and interpretations of things. But the gospel is also everywhere even though the churches are empty and the bi Jes are dusty and in storage or in a shelf it’s still everywhere that witness he sent forth people still talk about it still share it still point to the message he gave us to save us

abut also there’s a lot of mistruth about him and what he really said in the world

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. ( persuade with truth )

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:2-4‬ ‭

It’s easier to hear “ say grace and you’re saved “ than to share what Jesus said about salvation. People hear that easier than

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
‭‭James‬ ‭1:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s easier and more popular in tbe works to just create and entire doctrine based on this verse while rejecting the others

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

One erosion is carefully crafted and is really easy to hear and accept but it forms a rejection of all the other verses


another is a challenge to our faith. But it doesn’t require anything to be rejected