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SACREDWARRIOR · Friday at 7:57 AM

For those who hold an interest in " END TIMES" (eschatology),
much speculation and interest has been devoted to...."THE MARK"
what it is, how it will be enforced, where it will be placed etc....
the real concern should be, understanding just WHO authorizes the mark to be created in the first place & WHY!!!!!
READ CAREFULLY the passages below..........GOD HIMSELF BRINGS THE DECEPTION AND GIVES THE BEAST THE POWER AND OR AUTHORITY... TO CARRY IT OUT.....NOW READ CAREFULLY, ON WHO & WHY!!!!
[Rev 13:16-17 NASB95] 16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 and [he provides] that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, [either] the name of the beast or the number of his name.
[2Thessalonians 2:9-12 ] 9 [that is,] the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, WITH ALL POWER AND SIGNS AND FALSE WONDERS 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, BECAUSE they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 For this reason GOD WILL SEND UPON THEM them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12 in order that they ALL MAY BE JUDGED who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
[Rev 17:13, 17 NASB95] 13 "These have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast. ... 17 "For GOD HAS PUT IT IN THEIR HEARTS TO EXECUTE """"""HIS""""""" PURPOSE by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.

SaysWhat · Friday at 9:07 AM

SACREDWARRIOR said:

For those who hold an interest in " END TIMES" (eschatology),
much speculation and interest has been devoted to...."THE MARK"
what it is, how it will be enforced, where it will be placed etc....
the real concern should be, understanding just WHO authorizes the mark to be created in the first place & WHY!!!!!
READ CAREFULLY the passages below..........GOD HIMSELF BRINGS THE DECEPTION AND GIVES THE BEAST THE POWER AND OR AUTHORITY... TO CARRY IT OUT.....NOW READ CAREFULLY, ON WHO & WHY!!!!
[Rev 13:16-17 NASB95] 16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 and [he provides] that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, [either] the name of the beast or the number of his name.
[2Thessalonians 2:9-12 ] 9 [that is,] the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, WITH ALL POWER AND SIGNS AND FALSE WONDERS 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, BECAUSE they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 For this reason GOD WILL SEND UPON THEM them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12 in order that they ALL MAY BE JUDGED who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
[Rev 17:13, 17 NASB95] 13 "These have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast. ... 17 "For GOD HAS PUT IT IN THEIR HEARTS TO EXECUTE """"""HIS""""""" PURPOSE by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.

Adding """"" """"" and capitalizing is mutilating scripture.

Rev 17:17
For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.

Pilgrimshope · Friday at 9:53 AM

SACREDWARRIOR said:

For those who hold an interest in " END TIMES" (eschatology),
much speculation and interest has been devoted to...."THE MARK"
what it is, how it will be enforced, where it will be placed etc....
the real concern should be, understanding just WHO authorizes the mark to be created in the first place & WHY!!!!!
READ CAREFULLY the passages below..........GOD HIMSELF BRINGS THE DECEPTION AND GIVES THE BEAST THE POWER AND OR AUTHORITY... TO CARRY IT OUT.....NOW READ CAREFULLY, ON WHO & WHY!!!!
[Rev 13:16-17 NASB95] 16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 and [he provides] that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, [either] the name of the beast or the number of his name.
[2Thessalonians 2:9-12 ] 9 [that is,] the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, WITH ALL POWER AND SIGNS AND FALSE WONDERS 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, BECAUSE they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 For this reason GOD WILL SEND UPON THEM them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12 in order that they ALL MAY BE JUDGED who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
[Rev 17:13, 17 NASB95] 13 "These have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast. ... 17 "For GOD HAS PUT IT IN THEIR HEARTS TO EXECUTE """"""HIS""""""" PURPOSE by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.

God told israel to take this mark speaking of his words and command as a sign of obedience

“And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Adstar · Friday at 10:06 AM

SACREDWARRIOR said:

The scriptures that say God will send then delusion so that they will be deceived by the end times great deception does not mean that God will be Authorizing the Mark of the Beast.. As if the false prophet is being micro managed by God.. Yes God is again going to do what He did to pharaoh in the days of the exodus to the end times rulers who will end up giving their power over to the Beast.. Again it does not mean God is micro managing everything the False prophet will do..

Pilgrimshope · Friday at 10:24 AM

SaysWhat said:

amen

“until the words of God will be fulfilled”

“And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:16-18‬ ‭

what words is he talking about being fulfilled ?

“Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom. And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.

But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was. And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so. Thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied.

How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord GOD, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman; but as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband! They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom.

Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD: Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;

behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness. And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy. And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare. They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords. And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more. So will I make my fury toward thee to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from thee, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭16:1-2, 13-16, 28, 30, 32-33, 35-42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jerusalem’s destruction was about to happen by rome.

tedincarolina · Friday at 3:21 PM

Hi @SACREDWARRIOR

I've long considered the mark to be a reference to our hands and our head. Thus, the work that we do, would be a mark on our hands. Do our hands work for God or work for Satan? The mark on the forehead denotes our mind, our thoughts, our innermost thinking. Is it concerned with the things of God or of man?

God bless,
Ted

Magenta · Saturday at 3:12 AM

tedincarolina said:

Not everyone believes the mark of the beast on the hand and forehead are literal devices
or marks such as computer chips, vaccines, implants, bank cards, or anything similar, and
there are Scriptural reasons to believe they are not... much in the same way we would not
accept that just because people were trying to build the tower of Babel meant we think
they could have actually reached God that way, through their human means and/or effort,
or that the laws written on our hearts are literally etched/chiseled there.

The forehead very much represents a person's thinking and beliefs, out of which arise
the actions anyone takes and the things we do and what we serve with our hands.

Revelation 14:1 says, Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion,
and with him 144, 000 who had His name and His Father's name written on their foreheads.

Revelation 22:4 says: They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads.

I believe the mark is meant to be symbolic of to Whom we have pledged our allegiance.

Deuteronomy 11:18 Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds;
tie them as reminders on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.

Deuteronomy 6:5-8 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about
them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up.
Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.

Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant I will make with them after those days,
declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts and inscribe them on their minds.”

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tedincarolina · Saturday at 6:32 AM

Hi @Magenta

Yes, and if that is the correct understanding, then we have been marking ourselves for the last two centuries at least. It isn't something that we are to be 'looking' for as some phenomenon that just pops up in the days of the Great Tribulation. Just like today we understand that believers are indwelled with the Holy Spirit, it isn't something that you can physically see in that person, but is seen by their works and love for God. Similarly, the 'mark' is something that God can see just as He sees the Holy Spirit working in us.

God bless,
Ted

Melach · Saturday at 8:00 AM

@tedincarolina @Magenta

i agree that the mark may be spiritual and symbolic of our thoughts and deeds, allegience to the beast system. but where i would have to take the literal route is the 'not able to buy or sell' which causes me to think its something physical. i can only think of two verses that speak of buying or selling in a spiritual sense and i believe its actual buying and selling, cut off from the market place, a form of persecution

Lifted_by_the_word · Saturday at 8:26 AM

Melach said:

I have a blog that mentions the mark of the beast,how the abomination of desolation takes place,how to calculate the mark.
There's more that I want to blog about the mark,and some other stuff like the Two Witnesses of Revelation but not really sure how to go about it cause there's a lot.
A lot of Christians think that there needs to be a third temple for the abomination of desolation to take place but that first happen
when Adam and Eve were kicked from the garden.
Things just happen over and over again.What once was will be again.There is nothing new under the sun.
My blog will be one big mess at the end of it lol.

Melach · Saturday at 9:33 AM

Lifted_by_the_word said:

I have a blog that mentions the mark of the beast,how the abomination of desolation takes place,how to calculate the mark.
There's more that I want to blog about the mark,and some other stuff like the Two Witnesses of Revelation but not really sure how to go about it cause there's a lot.
A lot of Christians think that there needs to be a third temple for the abomination of desolation to take place but that first happen
when Adam and Eve were kicked from the garden.
Things just happen over and over again.What once was will be again.There is nothing new under the sun.
My blog will be one big mess at the end of it lol.

what do you suggest the abomination of desolation in matthew 24:15 is?

tedincarolina · Saturday at 10:52 AM

Melach said:

Hi @Melach

Yes, that is problematic as far as it's being some ongoing practice. I've considered that it may be more like one's having to be involved in all of the buying and selling that goes on in the world without somehow being tainted with the mark, or the wickedness of sin. That no one can buy or sell without the mark could indicate that even our greediness in our business dealings will overcome us. And yes, it could be a persecution that comes that if we're not involved in the wicked world system, then we won't be able to buy or sell.

Just my thoughts, but I've pretty strongly rejected the idea that it's some body implant.

God bless,
Ted

Lifted_by_the_word · Saturday at 11:33 AM

Melach said:

God created our bodies as a living Ark of the Covenant.Arms and legs are the Poles of the Ark, and the two cherubim,his Two Witnesses of Revelation are the water, and the blood.
Our first birth is of the water but we must be born of the water and the Spirit.Which only comes by the water and the blood.
Jesus is the head of the Church.He is the blood.

To those who don't have the Holy Spirit sitting on the mercy seat are an abomination.That's the abomination of desolation.Satan sits on the mercy seat declaring himself as god.
When the testimony of the Two Witnesses come from the 144,000 that's the last chance those who are still of the world have to repent.

Matthew 24:15-16
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) ,then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains.

The understanding of this verse is when you see/hear the testimony of the Two Witnesses,flee with them.Flee with the 144,000.That's what flee into the mountains really means.Repent.
Look at my blog to see what I mean by the 144,000 being mountains cause that's the reason why I made it.Othewise I'd be explaining certain things over and over again.Just makes things easier.

You know what's crazy?Tptb are the ones who're gonna flee into literal mountains in hidden bunkers and the mountains will fall on them,and they will die.Those who flee with the 144,000 will die a spiritual death,and be born again.

Here's another spiritual truth that happens on the 6th seal.

Revelation 6:15
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains.

It means the same thing.Repent.
God saved my life one time.More than once.I've tried to count how many times but when I started counting to thirty it was too much to bare.
But this one time he saved me I could hear his voice speaking the Revelation 6:15 verse and back then I didn't understand why he would use that verse for that particular situation.He covered me in his Holy Mountain.

K,think back on Egypt.They fled Egypt with 2 Witnesses,Moses, and Aaron into the mountains,Mount Sinai and repented.Some did anyways.

Lifted_by_the_word · 2024-08-18T18:40:45-0400

Lifted_by_the_word said:

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God created our bodies as a living Ark of the Covenant.Arms and legs are the Poles of the Ark, and the two cherubim,his Two Witnesses of Revelation are the water, and the blood.
Our first birth is of the water but we must be born of the water and the Spirit.Which only comes by the water and the blood.
Jesus is the head of the Church.He is the blood.

To those who don't have the Holy Spirit sitting on the mercy seat are an abomination.That's the abomination of desolation.Satan sits on the mercy seat declaring himself as god.
When the testimony of the Two Witnesses come from the 144,000 that's the last chance those who are still of the world have to repent.

Matthew 24:15-16
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) ,then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains.

The understanding of this verse is when you see/hear the testimony of the Two Witnesses,flee with them.Flee with the 144,000.That's what flee into the mountains really means.Repent.
Look at my blog to see what I mean by the 144,000 being mountains cause that's the reason why I made it.Othewise I'd be explaining certain things over and over again.Just makes things easier.

You know what's crazy?Tptb are the ones who're gonna flee into literal mountains in hidden bunkers and the mountains will fall on them,and they will die.Those who flee with the 144,000 will die a spiritual death,and be born again.

Here's another spiritual truth that happens on the 6th seal.

Revelation 6:15
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains.

It means the same thing.Repent.
God saved my life one time.More than once.I've tried to count how many times but when I started counting to thirty it was too much to bare.
But this one time he saved me I could hear his voice speaking the Revelation 6:15 verse and back then I didn't understand why he would use that verse for that particular situation.He covered me in his Holy Mountain.

K,think back on Egypt.They fled Egypt with 2 Witnesses,Moses, and Aaron into the mountains,Mount Sinai and repented.Some did anyways.

Zechariah 4:7
Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

John 2:19-21
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
But he spake of the temple of his body.

Thou shalt become a plain:("destroy this temple") and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings,crying,grace,grace unto it.("and in three days I will raise it up")

Nehemiah6 · 2024-08-18T19:53:48-0400

Pilgrimshope said:

What does this have to do with the Mark of the Beast?

Nehemiah6 · 2024-08-18T20:01:00-0400

Melach said:

Since all Scriptures are tied together, the abomination of desolation is an idol placed by the Antchrist in a future temple in Jerusalem. "Abomination" means a detestable thing, and for God all idols were detestable. But this is particular detestable because it stands in the Holy Place. It is the same ad the image of the Beast in Revelation.

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (Rev 13:14,15)

Omegatime · 2024-08-19T04:19:39-0400

I believe the Mark is literal because of the buying and selling. The people must be able to recognize a physical mark on the hand or forehead.

Inquisitor · 2024-08-19T05:43:36-0400

Melach said:

The destruction of the temple in AD 70.

rrcn · 2024-08-19T08:24:38-0400

Inquisitor said:

There are three accounts dealing with the topic, Matthew 24:15-20 and Mark 13:14 - 18, but Luke adds an additional detail that make the abomination of desolation much clearer.

Luke 21: 21, 22 places this event in 70 AD:

[Luk 21:20-21 KJV] 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Pilgrimshope · 2024-08-19T13:48:05-0400

Nehemiah6 said:

Because as someone else noted , it’s about serving ( mark on hand ) the devils Will through false doctrine ( mark on forehead )

It’s a false Christianity claiming to be of God . And the mark is a reference to thier beliefs and deeds . Revelation isn’t a literal book about literal things. It a spiritual vision about the world and consociational war between good and evil for mankind’s living soul. The mark isn’t going to be like a ratio or credit card or something it’s about being identified as either Gods or satans

remember others are marked by god

“This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that this law of the Lord is to be on your lips. For the Lord brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭13:9‬ ‭

Look at what the mark is “ the number of his name “

“Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:1‬ ‭NIV‬‬

The mark of the be beast

“so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.”( on tbier foreheads or hands )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:17‬ ‭

the point was ( my opinion ) is that the mark of the beast should be thought of biblically and in tbe bible are many examples of marks on foreheads d hands names on forwards and hands ect and if we see what those things mean consistently then the mark of the beast should be understood the same way in the vision

i think the mark of the beast and the ones sealed and marked with gods name

is another way of saying this

“This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are:

Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:10‬ ‭NIV‬‬

I think the mark is identifying the devils children or Gods children through thier beliefs and actions ( mind and hands )

And that’s what the marks are about ….that was why I left that scripture I saw someone else had the same thought so I left it alone .

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