Tonight's Presidential Debate

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ZNP

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These things do happen I went to Chinese restaurant years ago that was killing stray cats and using the meat in the stir fry.

It was in the news and the restaurant was shut down. People do not realize that other cultures do not see animals as pets.
I lived in Taiwan and everyone knew that these things happen. It is sad how idiotic some Americans are that they don't know this.
 

cv5

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Well it bears repeating even though @Nehemiah6 stated it clearly.

They came through ports of entry ...LEGALLY and the immigration policy was heavily managed at that time to ease people into existing society.
Are "todays migration policies" in any way a net positive to the American tax base and economy?
Not if it is costing massive amount of taxpayer dollars to support it.

Look at NYC. It is literally going bankrupt. City services are being shut down and funds diverted to migrant housing etc.

Somebody tell me how that is good for the NY taxpayers and citizens?
 

ZNP

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She wasn't Haitian
It proves that there are people catching and eating cats. Hence to say this is happening is not "unfounded".

You can claim that we have not seen the proof of this, that is fair. But unfounded makes you appear ignorant. Anyone who has lived in other countries, like myself, knows this is not "unfounded" and that it certainly happens frequently in some countries. I have never been to Haiti, but I do know some ball players have done animal sacrifices to help their performance here in the US and I do know that the voodoo religion does involve animal sacrifices. There is nothing ridiculous or unfounded about the claim.

Instead, simply ask Trump to provide the proof. He made the claim, now prove it.
 

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I lived in Taiwan and everyone knew that these things happen. It is sad how idiotic some Americans are that they don't know this.
I have to agree about Americans, the culture has been very dumbed down over the years.
 

ZNP

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Are "todays migration policies" in any way a net positive to the American tax base and economy?
Not if it is costing massive amount of taxpayer dollars to support it.

Look at NYC. It is literally going bankrupt. City services are being shut down and funds diverted to migrant housing etc.

Somebody tell me how that is good for the NY taxpayers and citizens?
Of course it is a net positive to somebody, if no one profited they would certainly not do it.
 

cv5

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This person proves that the claim is not "unfounded". It proves that all those trying to say the claim is ridiculous are simply gaslighting us. I am more than happy to wait for a few months for the evidence of the claim to be brought out which I suspect will involve 400,000 arrests.
I could post 100 videos of Haitians in Haiti roasting and eating cats. Yes its part of their culture.

But that is not the major issue at hand. The major issue is criminal human and child trafficking for big dollars, all at taxpayer expense.
Its the biggest criminal racket in the land at this point.
 

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This person proves that the claim is not "unfounded". It proves that all those trying to say the claim is ridiculous are simply gaslighting us. I am more than happy to wait for a few months for the evidence of the claim to be brought out which I suspect will involve 400,000 arrests.
You..." The thing totally happened"
Reasonable people...," produce evidence that this happened"

You. " You're totally gaslighting me right now"
 

HeIsHere

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Are "todays migration policies" in any way a net positive to the American tax base and economy?
Not if it is costing massive amount of taxpayer dollars to support it.

Look at NYC. It is literally going bankrupt. City services are being shut down and funds diverted to migrant housing etc.

Somebody tell me how that is good for the NY taxpayers and citizens?
Yes, there are sinister motives as to why this is happening the way that it is.
 

HeIsHere

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This person is not connected to the Springfield debacle.
But the $$$ criminal human trafficking cartels $$$ definitely are.
Sad Trump did not clearly state this, he talked about them being criminals but he should have been more specific.
 

cv5

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Of course it is a net positive to somebody, if no one profited they would certainly not do it.
Ding ding ding we have a winner.
BTW, the Clintonista's are intimately associated with Haiti. Which means the Democrat cartel is as well.
Which, of course, means rampant criminality.....and $$$ dirty money $$$.
 

ZNP

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You..." The thing totally happened"
Reasonable people...," produce evidence that this happened"

You. " You're totally gaslighting me right now"
You are simply putting up a "scarecrow" that you can attack.

But I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to go over this in detail.

1. The debate was rigged. ABC news was very biased and not an impartial debate moderator. One of the moderators had a closer personal tie to Kamala Harris. The fact checking and accusations were all one way against Trump while being fully positive for Kamala Harris.

2. Kamala was given the questions ahead of time to practice on and rehearse her response. She was also wearing a wireless earphone so that she could be fed information to respond to Trump.

3. As soon as the debate was over they flooded the airwaves telling us how she won and Trump lost.

All of that represents the gaslighting.

However, when looking at people responding to the debate in real time we find that both those identifying as Republican and Independent were having very positive response to Trump and negative response to Harris. One poll showed that among undecided voters who watched the debate 60% said afterwards they had decided to vote for Trump while 30% said they had decided to vote for Harris. Since the debate is all about influencing the undecideds that would be a huge victory for Trump, not Harris. That is proof we were being gaslit.

They also made a big stink on the internet about the claim that Haitians were eating cats in Springfield OH. Some of the useful idiots even posted memes portraying Trump in a straight jacket saying this. But within a day we were provided proof by Ohio police that yes, they had arrested a woman for killing and eating a cat. So once again, gaslighting. This also caused us to ask people in Springfield what is going on in Springfield and we learned that the immigrants, many of whom are Haitian are driving without a license. One person explained that since they don't speak english they bring an interpreter to take the written exam and so in many cases they don't even answer the questions, it is the interpreter that does that. One man said he had been hit three times by the Haitians. The police chief and the mayor and a bus driver for the school system all talked publicly about what is happening. People are not being prosecuted for the crime of driving illegally. That is not a small thing as when they get into an accident they have no insurance and they do not pay for the damage, which at times is extensive. One guy mentioned about a Haitian accident that brought down a power pole. Of course some of these accidents are deadly as well. Now the debate was not about the risk to our pets from the 20 million immigrants that have come in with Biden, but it was about Kamala's performance as a Border Czar. The attempt to make this "racist" was gaslighting. The attempt to focus on the debate on the claim that Haitians in Springfield are eating cats is gaslighting. You discover how absurd they are when they first claim it is a ridiculous argument until there is proof that it is true. Then they claim that it wasn't in Springfield. It was in Ohio. In the end none of that is what 99% of Americans care about. The issue is not "lock up your pets", the issue is how did Kamala do as "the border Czar"? Any attempt to change the narrative is, in my opinion, gas lighting.

Personally I don't care about the election and did not watch the debate. However, this is entertaining, I cannot deny that, and I thank the Lord for giving us this comedy of errors as it is always helpful to laugh. I don't care who wins the election or if there is even an election. This is not my home, I am just passing through, a pilgrim. But I do appreciate when liars are exposed and the liars were furiously telling us that Kamala won after the debate but as I look at polls of undecideds and independents I find that conclusion to be laughable. She was destroyed, as she should be. She is a phony. Now if I can see this, someone who is only mildly interested, you can be sure many, many others see it as well.
 

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Are "todays migration policies" in any way a net positive to the American tax base and economy?
Not if it is costing massive amount of taxpayer dollars to support it.

Look at NYC. It is literally going bankrupt. City services are being shut down and funds diverted to migrant housing etc.

Somebody tell me how that is good for the NY taxpayers and citizens?
Speaking of costing a massive amount of tax payer dollars.

New York City Council Advancing Slavery Reparations While City Spends Billions on Illegal Immigrants

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/09/pipe-dream-new-york-city-council-advancing-slavery/
 

mailmandan

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If people are still wondering what the real reason behind this illegal immigration invasion of America is, Biden already clued us in on that back when he was still vice president.

 

cv5

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Speaking of costing a massive amount of tax payer dollars.

New York City Council Advancing Slavery Reparations While City Spends Billions on Illegal Immigrants

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/09/pipe-dream-new-york-city-council-advancing-slavery/
AOC's useful idiots are going to reap the whirlwind.
First city bankruptcies, then state, then national.

And yes, it will usher in the communist banana republic that Kamala's handlers demand.

Too bad so sad.
 

cv5

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I tend to agree. But it really started with X and spread from there; some of Trumps looney disciples. But I agree, Trump want to stir the pot against immigrants.
Speaking of immigrants, you have NEVER spoken about the UNTOLD THOUSANDS of missing migrant children, nor of the associated massive child trafficking criminal enterprises going on.

Ever. And the FBI/DOJ statistics are grim and likely underestimates.

Same goes for @JayBird @Maggiefortruth @seed_time_harvest @Dude653
Not one of you.

The useful idiot chumps are being used like tools to KEEP THE HUMAN TRAFFICING nightmare going full speed ahead.

So congratulations, you are all accessories to the worst criminal gangs in existence.
 

cv5

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I tend to agree. But it really started with X and spread from there; some of Trumps looney disciples. But I agree, Trump want to stir the pot against immigrants.
Here you go buddy. Objective reality.
I do recall your testimony about your homelessness and poverty. Tragic indeed.

Well, I have bad news. Things are going to get infinitely worse. I suggest you begin preparations accordingly, and for pity's sake do not depend upon the government to help you when times get intolerably tough.

Endgame: Interest On US Debt Surpasses $1 Trillion For First Time Ever, Exploding August Budget Deficit To Record High

Game over.
 

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Took me a whole 2 seconds to Google it. The Haitian immigrants are here legally under what is called the immigration parole act
That is an OUTRIGHT scam. "Immigration Parole Act" means parole criminals rather than deport them. Parole always applies to criminals, not to law-abiding citizens. Then give them several years to live in the USA illegally, then forget them altogether so they can go on committing crimes with impunity. How come you can't see a Biden/Harris scam when it is staring you in the face?

Also, all the illegals who committed heinous crimes in the USA like murders and rapes were simply "paroled" and then released to go on committing crimes. So what kind of a lawless country is America now?

Also, a very recent report says that Haitians are living all around in Ohio, and planning to commit voter fraud. The AG has sent out a warning to all counties to be extremely vigilant. So these criminals are here to destroy Americans, destroy all the support systems (medical services, social services, welfare, etc), destroy election integrity, and destroy democracy and eventually America itself. But you could care less.

Biden and Harris have committed serious crimes and treason against Americans and America, but have been allowed to get away with it. But Leftists on CC have no problem supporting evildoers and yet calling themselves Christians.
 

cv5

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Took me a whole 2 seconds to Google it. The Haitian immigrants are here legally under what is called the immigration parole act
"a whole 2 seconds"
Well well we have a bona-fide Sherlock Holmes in our midst.
 

ZNP

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Here you go buddy. Objective reality.
I do recall your testimony about your homelessness and poverty. Tragic indeed.

Well, I have bad news. Things are going to get infinitely worse. I suggest you begin preparations accordingly, and for pity's sake do not depend upon the government to help you when times get intolerably tough.

Endgame: Interest On US Debt Surpasses $1 Trillion For First Time Ever, Exploding August Budget Deficit To Record High

Game over.
I have a simple solution. Just raise the minimum wage to $250,000 an hour. Then the tax on our pay would be enough to pay the debt to 0.

The only downside is our dollar would be worthless and no one would be willing to trust us ever again. So no more loans, no international trade. But since we are the biggest consumer nation in the world that would impact them every bit as much as it would impact us. People would ditch the US dollar as worthless, but at least we would be debt free and then we could start pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps.
 

cv5

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Hey @JayBird @Maggiefortruth @ResidentAlien

Does this make any sense to you? Or is your intellect and grasp on reality limited to "orange man bad"?

(1) zerohedge on X: "2. Some have pointed out that Interest on the debt has surpassed defense spending. Actually, it did that over a year ago. As of this moment, interest spending is the 2nd largest US outlay and it will surpass spending on Social Security in early 2025 https://t.co/6dvBQwOU6c" / X

Some have pointed out that Interest on the debt has surpassed defense spending. Actually, it did that over a year ago. As of this moment, interest spending is the 2nd largest US outlay and it will surpass spending on Social Security in early 2025

This is $1 trillion on a fiscal year basis. On an annualized basis, the US hit $ 1 trillion in interest a year ago. For the full fiscal year which ends Sept 30, total US interest will be over $1.2 trillion.