Perfectionism, might be the problem, when It is done for us in Son to us

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homwardbound

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#1
Teach me Father from your view, what is done for me and the whole world by you through Son that is risen for me to be new by you, in trust to you to get me through it all, seeing the mysterious ways, of you, that I will not see until you reveal them to me as needed to be from you, thank you
Especially, thank you that by Son: you have forgiven me forever in you, wow teach what Isaiah said in Isaiah 6:1-7 about the hot coals touching his lips, I trust you to do the same to me.
I have seen this from you, that I am forgiven, even in my sin(s). It has been like you have been here with me the whole time (You have), never forsaking me, never leaving me, as I know you should have forsaken me even on just one sin. For I have sinned, and even after belief in Son Jesus is risen for me to be new in his risen life for me, I have sinned again and again. Yet, you entered in, because I believe in your done work for us all.
I see how and why now. How by Son's done work for me and all others also to believe this too, to be new in your view, not this world's view. Seeing 1 John 2 after I got messed up in Chapter 1 it goes on in 2 to tell me you just love me and all others too, thank you!
As far as the east is from the west, for me to not have anymore sweat over the sin issue, Thank you. For in Son Psalm 103:12 is done by Son, you ready to give each that choose to believe you a new heart as in Ezekiel 36:26
Now, since this is done by Son, that you approved of, by raising Son back to life, for us the people to be saved, our Souls, not our flesh, yet that is to be redeemed also, one day, so daily die to the first born self and learn to stop trying not to do wrong, for by trying not to, is how I have been caught up in it more often than not, Romans 7. when I do not know, not trying to do it of me, I see to let go of me trying to not sin, by that in Romans 7 it is why I still sin a lot more than if I just trusted you to do through me what I see I can't do. You can and did it through Son first for us all to believe you, stand in you even through any adversities, thank you a million times over and over and over again and again
I am mainly speaking to me and my experiences with God personally, over people that fight and argue and condemn and not condemn, if others see as the other one does or not, Accuse and excuse, not remembering this amazing grace given by God getting caught up under Law, that no one can perform perfect but God Father his self
We are forgiven at that cross of Son for us all. That is done (John 1:29, 19:30) Law and Prophets are fulfilled, not destroyed fulfilled, (Matthew 5:17) for us all to believe and see new over time in not ever giving up as said in (Col. 1:21-23) to stand in this truth for you too, thank you
 

Magenta

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#2
As far as the east is from the west, for me to not have anymore sweat over the sin issue, Thank you. For in Son
Psalm 103:12 is done by Son, you ready to give each that choose to believe you a new heart as in Ezekiel 36:26

Psalm 103:12 ~ As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.
:)
 

Pilgrimshope

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Teach me Father from your view, what is done for me and the whole world by you through Son that is risen for me to be new by you, in trust to you to get me through it all, seeing the mysterious ways, of you, that I will not see until you reveal them to me as needed to be from you, thank you
Especially, thank you that by Son: you have forgiven me forever in you, wow teach what Isaiah said in Isaiah 6:1-7 about the hot coals touching his lips, I trust you to do the same to me.
I have seen this from you, that I am forgiven, even in my sin(s). It has been like you have been here with me the whole time (You have), never forsaking me, never leaving me, as I know you should have forsaken me even on just one sin. For I have sinned, and even after belief in Son Jesus is risen for me to be new in his risen life for me, I have sinned again and again. Yet, you entered in, because I believe in your done work for us all.
I see how and why now. How by Son's done work for me and all others also to believe this too, to be new in your view, not this world's view. Seeing 1 John 2 after I got messed up in Chapter 1 it goes on in 2 to tell me you just love me and all others too, thank you!
As far as the east is from the west, for me to not have anymore sweat over the sin issue, Thank you. For in Son Psalm 103:12 is done by Son, you ready to give each that choose to believe you a new heart as in Ezekiel 36:26
Now, since this is done by Son, that you approved of, by raising Son back to life, for us the people to be saved, our Souls, not our flesh, yet that is to be redeemed also, one day, so daily die to the first born self and learn to stop trying not to do wrong, for by trying not to, is how I have been caught up in it more often than not, Romans 7. when I do not know, not trying to do it of me, I see to let go of me trying to not sin, by that in Romans 7 it is why I still sin a lot more than if I just trusted you to do through me what I see I can't do. You can and did it through Son first for us all to believe you, stand in you even through any adversities, thank you a million times over and over and over again and again
I am mainly speaking to me and my experiences with God personally, over people that fight and argue and condemn and not condemn, if others see as the other one does or not, Accuse and excuse, not remembering this amazing grace given by God getting caught up under Law, that no one can perform perfect but God Father his self
We are forgiven at that cross of Son for us all. That is done (John 1:29, 19:30) Law and Prophets are fulfilled, not destroyed fulfilled, (Matthew 5:17) for us all to believe and see new over time in not ever giving up as said in (Col. 1:21-23) to stand in this truth for you too, thank you
“learn to stop trying not to do wrong, for by trying not to, is how I have been caught up in it more often than not,”

Are you saying the answer is to not try ?
 

wattie

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#5
Overcoming a sin problem isn't by focusing on the sin, but Jesus and His Word. Confess the sin.. yea.. but trying to fight it by your will power will always end in either inflating yourself because you overcome it yourself .. which is sin anyway.. or being in despair because you can't brake it.

It's always focusing on Jesus and the solution through His Word.
 

JohnDB

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And none of this helps....
Because we humans are flawed. Genetically and emotionally twisted and unbalanced.

We see this a LOT in divorced couples with children the most.

The parent with conditional love gets the favor of the children.
The parent who loves the children unconditionally gets blamed for everything...including the divorce even if the other parent cheated.

That's the way we are....twisted, psychotic, and always in love with the wrong things.
 

homwardbound

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#7

Psalm 103:12 ~ As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.
:)
thank you< the above, prompted me
Came to earth by woman, not man. Grew up, then called to get water baptized by John the Baptist. John saw him coming and yelled, behold the lamb of God, that takes away the sin of the world. Then says to Jesus, he John needed to be baptized by Jesus (Holy Spirit) baptism. Jesus replied to John to Baptize him (water’) for he must do everything that is right (under his Father’s law)
‘did he do it all perfect? I say why yes he did.
‘therefore the sin issue is dealt with as far as the east is from the west. How far is the east from the west? It is forever it continues forever. From God, not people, not until they see what is done for them and respond in thanksgiving and praise
therefore when I or anyone else sins again, whether wanting to or not, This forgiveness continues, What????
‘this is the “amazing grace” from God Father of Son, done one time for everyone, since no one else could ever be perfect in flesh and blood but Son!
time to finalize we are forgiven by God Father of Son, on that cross it is finished, under Law to do to get in, Done, finished
So what is left< if it is done on the cross we all got reconciliation forgiven by God Father of Son Jesus.
‘left only is: to believe God we are reconciled by God in Son. He is risen and we trust for the new life to get given, and is given, even if one does not see it yet. God does it, we from within us know this and so continue to grow up into maturity over it. Being fed meat, no more milk anymore.
the entire Bible I see as a gigantic jigsaw puzzle, seeing the pieces and learning where each piece goes to see the big picture of new life offered and given us that, do not quit belief to Father, Son first took away sin, the nasty nines and dirty dozen, left for us to believe this and see it in the resurrection of Son, Jesus for us to receive it and be new in love to all, not a few as we each did, before being born again by God from God, not denyingGod as like in Job. Deeper in Jesus, the art of fighting without fighting all the way willingly in pain. Then risen to never die again ever. There is no more forgiveness to be executed

under Law I was stressed out to death. I could not help anyone, being too busy to do it right
Now, in the Law of ‘love, is am amazing change, to me at least 1 Cor 13:4-7
 

homwardbound

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#8
“learn to stop trying not to do wrong, for by trying not to, is how I have been caught up in it more often than not,”

Are you saying the answer is to not try ?
I am saying to trust God Father of Son Jesus that it is done for you to walk new and not do, at least start learning new in how to stop those thing you now hate, that you do, not wanting to.
God by Son took care of this for you, believe, recieve and see. Has that not already been happening new in you? Has not things left you? Did you get it to leave or was it God’s done work for you?
anytime anyone gets pride over things they say hey it left has not gotten it from God, the old self is still in their way.
facing reality, “i” this first born flesh can’t do it perfect. Yet Son did it. Galatians 1-6 reveals this, along with Romans.
‘the problem is: religion has got people working for what is done for them? That is unbelief to God through Son.
me, in trust to God to reveal this vital truth to you or not, to whomever Father chooses to, thank you
‘Father knowing every person reason(s) for wanting new life, therefore Daddy makes this decision for each
 

Magenta

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thank you< the above, prompted me
Came to earth by woman, not man. Grew up, then called to get water baptized by John the Baptist. John saw him coming and yelled, behold the lamb of God, that takes away the sin of the world. Then says to Jesus, he John needed to be baptized by Jesus (Holy Spirit) baptism. Jesus replied to John to Baptize him (water’) for he must do everything that is right (under his Father’s law)
‘did he do it all perfect? I say why yes he did.
‘therefore the sin issue is dealt with as far as the east is from the west. How far is the east from the west? It is forever it continues forever. From God, not people, not until they see what is done for them and respond in thanksgiving and praise
therefore when I or anyone else sins again, whether wanting to or not, This forgiveness continues, What????
‘this is the “amazing grace” from God Father of Son, done one time for everyone, since no one else could ever be perfect in flesh and blood but Son!
time to finalize we are forgiven by God Father of Son, on that cross it is finished, under Law to do to get in, Done, finished
So what is left< if it is done on the cross we all got reconciliation forgiven by God Father of Son Jesus.
‘left only is: to believe God we are reconciled by God in Son. He is risen and we trust for the new life to get given, and is given, even if one does not see it yet. God does it, we from within us know this and so continue to grow up into maturity over it. Being fed meat, no more milk anymore.
the entire Bible I see as a gigantic jigsaw puzzle, seeing the pieces and learning where each piece goes to see the big picture of new life offered and given us that, do not quit belief to Father, Son first took away sin, the nasty nines and dirty dozen, left for us to believe this and see it in the resurrection of Son, Jesus for us to receive it and be new in love to all, not a few as we each did, before being born again by God from God, not denyingGod as like in Job. Deeper in Jesus, the art of fighting without fighting all the way willingly in pain. Then risen to never die again ever. There is no more forgiveness to be executed

under Law I was stressed out to death. I could not help anyone, being too busy to do it right
Now, in the Law of ‘love, is am amazing change, to me at least 1 Cor 13:4-7

1 Corinthians 13:4-8
:)
 

Magenta

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#11
True Love is God’s Love for us all to get it, wow to me, seeing those
tongs from the Holy fire touch my lips as in Isaiah 6:1-7 did to Isaiah
1 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted;
and the train of His robe filled the temple. 2 Above Him stood seraphim, each having six
wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with
two they were flying. 3 And they were calling out to one another: “Holy, holy, holy is the
LORD of Hosts; all the earth is full of His glory.” 4 At the sound of their voices the doorposts
and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke. 5 Then I said: “Woe is me, for
I am ruined, because I am a man of unclean lips dwelling among a people of unclean lips;
for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of Hosts.”6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me,
and in his hand was a glowing coal that he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7 And with
it he touched my mouth and said: “Now that this has touched your lips, your iniquity is
removed and your sin is atoned for.”



Isaiah 6:8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying: “Whom shall I send? Who will go for Us?” And I said: “Here am I. Send me!”
:D
 

homwardbound

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1 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted;
and the train of His robe filled the temple. 2 Above Him stood seraphim, each having six
wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with
two they were flying. 3 And they were calling out to one another: “Holy, holy, holy is the
LORD of Hosts; all the earth is full of His glory.” 4 At the sound of their voices the doorposts
and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke. 5 Then I said: “Woe is me, for
I am ruined, because I am a man of unclean lips dwelling among a people of unclean lips;
for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of Hosts.”6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me,
and in his hand was a glowing coal that he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7 And with
it he touched my mouth and said: “Now that this has touched your lips, your iniquity is
removed and your sin is atoned for.”



Isaiah 6:8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying: “Whom shall I send? Who will go for Us?” And I said: “Here am I. Send me!”
:D
This send me, I see as Son, Jesus, said this< so everyone could be saved, those that sincerely believe God just loves them.

it is as if, I had two children, me as the Father of the two children. i get told, one gets to live the other has to die. I have to choose< which one lives and which one dies, and I love both children., I choose send me instead, I will die in their place!
i know by this I am seeing the heart of God in not wanting anyone to die. So, Son took the place of us all. To give new life to all that sincerely believe God in risen Son for them. Believe, receive and see, which can be a long walk here on earth for each of us, growing up differently in stuff that happens to us good or bad
simply put
”God just loves us all” he, Jesus the Son, went willingly to a cross to save us in his resurrection for us. To either believe this or not. Is the final free choice, which is all that is left is to believe God or not. Too simple, that makes it not easily seen in the scenes of life troubles we all go through, that messed me up at first.
Evil, wishes to sift us all as wheat. To steal.kill and destroy us. That began on me in my sisters death, when I was 1$ years of age.
wow again, thanking God for never forsaking me or leaving me, whether I was in Hell one day or not.
thanks for letting me vent. Hoping is well for anyone else reading this as well
 

homwardbound

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And none of this helps....
Because we humans are flawed. Genetically and emotionally twisted and unbalanced.

We see this a LOT in divorced couples with children the most.

The parent with conditional love gets the favor of the children.
The parent who loves the children unconditionally gets blamed for everything...including the divorce even if the other parent cheated.

That's the way we are....twisted, psychotic, and always in love with the wrong things.
Therefore ask God for the new life called born again by God revealed to Nicodemus in John 3
The new life offered is in the risen Son after his one time willing death took away all sin first in his Father's sight for us to ge t a relationship as friends with daddy. To get taught what is best for su to do and not do
Born again is revealed to me in John 4:23-24
'
John 14:17
He is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit who leads into all truth. The world at large cannot receive him, for it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him. But you do, for he lives with you now and some day shall be in you.


  1. God looks down from heaven, searching among all mankind to see if there is a single one who does right and really seeks for God.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  2. Matthew 7:8
    For everyone who asks, receives. Anyone who seeks, finds. If only you will knock, the door will open.

John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Born again is dead to first birth willingly by your belief for God to impart the new life in the risen Son to you and all others that choose belief also are given this, thank you, this is done by Father and Son that won for us all on that cross first, in his willing death once for us all to choose to believe it or not. Hebrews 10:10 read the whole chapter
then see Acts 1 where he explains to the disciples why he had to die first, before getting risen back to life, it was for us to get this and be this new person form God Father to us to love all in God's mercy and truth, truthfully to all. feed the people the truth from God through you as in Luke 21:14-15
 

JohnDB

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#14
Therefore ask God for the new life called born again by God revealed to Nicodemus in John 3
The new life offered is in the risen Son after his one time willing death took away all sin first in his Father's sight for us to ge t a relationship as friends with daddy. To get taught what is best for su to do and not do
Born again is revealed to me in John 4:23-24
'
John 14:17
He is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit who leads into all truth. The world at large cannot receive him, for it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him. But you do, for he lives with you now and some day shall be in you.


  1. God looks down from heaven, searching among all mankind to see if there is a single one who does right and really seeks for God.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  2. Matthew 7:8
    For everyone who asks, receives. Anyone who seeks, finds. If only you will knock, the door will open.

John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Born again is dead to first birth willingly by your belief for God to impart the new life in the risen Son to you and all others that choose belief also are given this, thank you, this is done by Father and Son that won for us all on that cross first, in his willing death once for us all to choose to believe it or not. Hebrews 10:10 read the whole chapter
then see Acts 1 where he explains to the disciples why he had to die first, before getting risen back to life, it was for us to get this and be this new person form God Father to us to love all in God's mercy and truth, truthfully to all. feed the people the truth from God through you as in Luke 21:14-15
"Born again" in John 3 is a mistake in translation that has been continued due to tradition moreso than accuracy.

If you had gone to Peter's first letter you would have a thin platform to build upon.
Today, we do not have the same Caste based society where this makes any sense. Our legacy is not one of our parents making that we perpetuate.

And this is where the rubber meets the road.

We, in this modern age, have an immense problem with our mindsets, attitudes, and logic. By and large people do not gravitate towards unconditional love. We prefer the fight and struggle with others to obtain love instead of the easy path.
Basically, we would rather fight others instead of our worst enemy: ourselves.

"The call came from inside the house!" is a frightening proposition...even if it's a good idea coming to fruition. We DO NOT CHANGE willingly or easily. And most importantly we do not fight with ourselves....but we must. It's so seldom that we war with ourselves it is considered divergent/abnormal behavior. It's hardly average or normal.

Get accustomed to the notion.
 

Bruce_Leiter

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“learn to stop trying not to do wrong, for by trying not to, is how I have been caught up in it more often than not,”

Are you saying the answer is to not try ?
No, but rely on Jesus' all-powerful victory, especially his resurrection power, to enable you through your prayers to gain Jesus' triumph more and more in your life. It's a lifelong process; I know, I'm almost 82, and I still struggle against my sinful nature. Prayer is the key (Ephesians 6:10-20).
 

homwardbound

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"Born again" in John 3 is a mistake in translation that has been continued due to tradition moreso than accuracy.

If you had gone to Peter's first letter you would have a thin platform to build upon.
Today, we do not have the same Caste based society where this makes any sense. Our legacy is not one of our parents making that we perpetuate.

And this is where the rubber meets the road.

We, in this modern age, have an immense problem with our mindsets, attitudes, and logic. By and large people do not gravitate towards unconditional love. We prefer the fight and struggle with others to obtain love instead of the easy path.
Basically, we would rather fight others instead of our worst enemy: ourselves.

"The call came from inside the house!" is a frightening proposition...even if it's a good idea coming to fruition. We DO NOT CHANGE willingly or easily. And most importantly we do not fight with ourselves....but we must. It's so seldom that we war with ourselves it is considered divergent/abnormal behavior. It's hardly average or normal.

Get accustomed to the notion.
Thank you for your view, appreciated. My View of born again is not the view of world Chrches
To be or get water Baptized, the is a mistake
Reasding John 3

John 3:5-6

Authorized (King James) Version

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Are we listening? Usually I see not!
The first born flesh does not please God but Son's who was born of Woman not man, as is the one and only perfect flesh to ever please God Father his Father in the resurrection our
Father now, once born of God in Spirit and Truth. John 4:23-24, No flesh will ever please God, none did until Son, none will afterwards, or has since. To be born again from Father is done by God to us, those that will not quit belief to Son is risen and are forgiven (reconciled at the death first) one trusts for God Father and Son to live not only in them more importantly through them at least me this I now see, in thanksgiving and praise, only If one is willing, the same as Son revealed to us by going to that cross for us all, without a flesh fight back, amazing grace to be new in us from God Father who approved of Son in raising Son from that grave he was in, where he preached there to those there then, awaiting on him.
Anyways, you can believe as you decide to believe, no one is meant to live like refugees, as we are doing that in religion, thanks
 

Pilgrimshope

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No, but rely on Jesus' all-powerful victory, especially his resurrection power, to enable you through your prayers to gain Jesus' triumph more and more in your life. It's a lifelong process; I know, I'm almost 82, and I still struggle against my sinful nature. Prayer is the key (Ephesians 6:10-20).
Yeah we have to make sure that we don’t reject what he’s teaching people through also while we’re “ relying on Jesus victory “ we should be accepting the things we learn from Jesus and his apostles and not rejecting it and saying we’re relying on his victory instead

I agree have to trust Jesus , but not if it requires us to reject the teachings of the lord and his apostles

amen prayer is really important and the process is found here

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

homwardbound

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Yeah we have to make sure that we don’t reject what he’s teaching people through also while we’re “ relying on Jesus victory “ we should be accepting the things we learn from Jesus and his apostles and not rejecting it and saying we’re relying on his victory instead

I agree have to trust Jesus , but not if it requires us to reject the teachings of the lord and his apostles

amen prayer is really important and the process is found here

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Learning new daily, understanding whenever my obedience is perfect, then I could punish every act of disobedience .
wait a sec, I have sinned at least once. Therefore “I” cannot ever be perfect ever of my trying. I have sinned, and if I do not believe God in Son took away sin for me completely. Then i have to do Law perfectly. yet “I” can’t, I have sinned., therefore no chance for me under Law. I see that is that, for the first chosen also. They couldn’t enter, they could not be perfect either. in the first (old) testament.
Therefore, a gigantic yes by God “I’“ am reconciled through Son’s done work on that cross. Wow, thank you Father.
‘what to, now do?
stay under Law to try to do what no other person can do but God, who did it once for everyone to believe God or not? Once believe it is done by God through Son, will the new life start? Will you see the truth in this love of God for you in risen Son to you too? Freed in love of God through Son’s completed work. Where one does not work of self ever again. The new Work is the done work of God for us in risen Son for us to rest from flesh self work, that is the good news of God for us, not against us. at least me seeing this amazing freedom to be myself without worry. The born new by God through Son
will you continue in the stress mess we the people are in, under law to do to get given or to keep or else attitudes of the first born flesh? the new abundant life offered in the risen Christ, is waiting for those that have not yet settled in themselves, that in the death, burial, all people are forgiven by God, that is done once for everyone.
God waiting for the next person to believe God personally that Son is risen for them to walk new< not of self any longer under Law, which is what keeps people sinning, how y’all doing? Under Law
trusting God to get it through to the next child. Thank God for the done work< before the new life could ever begin
believe, receive and see
Isaiah 6:1-7
 

Pilgrimshope

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Learning new daily, understanding whenever my obedience is perfect, then I could punish every act of disobedience .
wait a sec, I have sinned at least once. Therefore “I” cannot ever be perfect ever of my trying. I have sinned, and if I do not believe God in Son took away sin for me completely. Then i have to do Law perfectly. yet “I” can’t, I have sinned., therefore no chance for me under Law. I see that is that, for the first chosen also. They couldn’t enter, they could not be perfect either. in the first (old) testament.
Therefore, a gigantic yes by God “I’“ am reconciled through Son’s done work on that cross. Wow, thank you Father.
‘what to, now do?
stay under Law to try to do what no other person can do but God, who did it once for everyone to believe God or not? Once believe it is done by God through Son, will the new life start? Will you see the truth in this love of God for you in risen Son to you too? Freed in love of God through Son’s completed work. Where one does not work of self ever again. The new Work is the done work of God for us in risen Son for us to rest from flesh self work, that is the good news of God for us, not against us. at least me seeing this amazing freedom to be myself without worry. The born new by God through Son
will you continue in the stress mess we the people are in, under law to do to get given or to keep or else attitudes of the first born flesh? the new abundant life offered in the risen Christ, is waiting for those that have not yet settled in themselves, that in the death, burial, all people are forgiven by God, that is done once for everyone.
God waiting for the next person to believe God personally that Son is risen for them to walk new< not of self any longer under Law, which is what keeps people sinning, how y’all doing? Under Law
trusting God to get it through to the next child. Thank God for the done work< before the new life could ever begin
believe, receive and see
Isaiah 6:1-7
Yea I’ll continue to talk about what the Bible actually says in a bible discussion forum.

I believe what the Bible actually says is the truth
 

homwardbound

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Yea I’ll continue to talk about what the Bible actually says in a bible discussion forum.

I believe what the Bible actually says is the truth
okay as we each read, hear, listen, I have seen so many times, until I saw no I did not see and that is still the case, because God knows, and God loves us all I believe God and that settles it for me in thanksgiving and praise
God took all sin out of the way at the cross for me and everyone else too, not all see this yet, by Son's done work in his shed blood, it is done finished for us as reconciled, are we not?
That is done, I am forgiven by God forever, so is everyone else by God through Son, from God, thanks to Son Jesus, wow woe is me, thanking God daily
Amazing grace given that no first born flesh can fathom. one has to be born again, new in God's Spirit and Truth to see the freedom given them to be them. No one was born a sinner. Everyone was/is born with the knowledge of good and evil, to choose one or the other.
This world promotes evil. That is how people gain control over people is by evil. No one is freed when, talking about evil. Evil gets evil. It is oh yeah, yes Jesus died for you too, BUTT the billy goat steps in, wondering who can that be, can it be evil?
God gets good, and God is the one and only one good. you have a great day as we each go through life making our choices to believe God in this love and mercy through Son or not, and allow others to be free also or not