Question for those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture
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Just maybe your the one that is wrong -------and you are contradicting the meaning of the word imminent ------
Everything is already in place for the Rapture -----The event has already taken place -------Jesus shed His Blood to cover sin for all time and He died and was resurrected ----and sent the Holy Spirit to dwell in the Believer =====the believer is ready to dwell in Heaven -------
That is the only event that was needed for the Rapture and IT IS FINISHED ----anyone who receives Jesus is Rapture Ready ---so the rapture is imminent -----as it can happen today ---tomorrow ---next week ---next Month ===Next year etc -----
The greek word for imminent is
Strong's Concordance
tachinos: swift
Original Word: ταχινός, ή, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: tachinos
Phonetic Spelling: (takh-ee-nos')
Definition: swift
Usage: swift, quick, impending.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 5031: ταχινός
ταχινός, ταχινή, ταχινόν, from Theocritus down, swift, quick: of events soon to come or just impending,
We will be changed in the twinkling of an eye says the Scripture ------swift and quick and then caught up Raptured ======to meet Jesus in the air ----Imminent -----soon to come
Just maybe your the one that is wrong -------and you are contradicting the meaning of the word imminent ------
Everything is already in place for the Rapture -----The event has already taken place -------Jesus shed His Blood to cover sin for all time and He died and was resurrected ----and sent the Holy Spirit to dwell in the Believer =====the believer is ready to dwell in Heaven -------
That is the only event that was needed for the Rapture and IT IS FINISHED ----anyone who receives Jesus is Rapture Ready ---so the rapture is imminent -----as it can happen today ---tomorrow ---next week ---next Month ===Next year etc -----
The greek word for imminent is
Strong's Concordance
tachinos: swift
Original Word: ταχινός, ή, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: tachinos
Phonetic Spelling: (takh-ee-nos')
Definition: swift
Usage: swift, quick, impending.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 5031: ταχινός
ταχινός, ταχινή, ταχινόν, from Theocritus down, swift, quick: of events soon to come or just impending,
We will be changed in the twinkling of an eye says the Scripture ------swift and quick and then caught up Raptured ======to meet Jesus in the air ----Imminent -----soon to come
Only once does Jesus return and that return is in His full glory.
Acts 1:11
And they said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus,
who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you
have watched Him go into heaven."
There is no secret return of Jesus to grab the saints.
The return of Jesus with His angels and the sound of the trumpet is visual and audible.
1 Thessalonians 4
The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel
and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
2 Thessalonians 2:8
Then that lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will eliminate with the breath of
His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming.
The antichrist is destroyed when Jesus returns, that is not a quiet event.
Nothing secret about the return of Jesus Christ.
The return is a one time event.
Acts 1:11
And they said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus,
who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you
have watched Him go into heaven."
There is no secret return of Jesus to grab the saints.
The return of Jesus with His angels and the sound of the trumpet is visual and audible.
1 Thessalonians 4
The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel
and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
2 Thessalonians 2:8
Then that lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will eliminate with the breath of
His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming.
The antichrist is destroyed when Jesus returns, that is not a quiet event.
Nothing secret about the return of Jesus Christ.
The return is a one time event.
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You need the scripture that clearly identifies the silent and invisible return
of Jesus Christ. I do not want to see verses that have nothing to do with
these multiple returns of Jesus Christ.
Where in the New Testament is a seven year tribulation even mentioned?
We are not interested in inference, your ideas, your interpretation.
I want to see where we are directly told the tribulation is seven years.
I have demonstrated from the New Testament a 42 month tribulation.
It's your turn.
of Jesus Christ. I do not want to see verses that have nothing to do with
these multiple returns of Jesus Christ.
Where in the New Testament is a seven year tribulation even mentioned?
We are not interested in inference, your ideas, your interpretation.
I want to see where we are directly told the tribulation is seven years.
I have demonstrated from the New Testament a 42 month tribulation.
It's your turn.
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Whether Jesus returns and arrives in the air or on the Mount of Olives.
That is the arrival of Jesus to earth from heaven.
That can only be the second coming of Jesus.
Jesus has arrived the way He left, from the clouds.
The return of Jesus is not near.
The return of Jesus occurs once and is preceded by prophetic events.
Do not follow folk who say the return is imminent or near!
That is the arrival of Jesus to earth from heaven.
That can only be the second coming of Jesus.
Jesus has arrived the way He left, from the clouds.
The return of Jesus is not near.
The return of Jesus occurs once and is preceded by prophetic events.
Do not follow folk who say the return is imminent or near!
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We (pre-tribbers) AGREE!
But that is NOT what happens when "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" takes place... which is what 1Th3:13 is talking about (when Jesus takes us UP UP UP... in the presence of God the Father of us!)
But when Jesus "RETURNS"... that is "to the earth" (when His feet will touch the ground) and the following (plus more) will thereafter take place:
--"when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." ... THEN "the meal [G347; see also this Grk word used in Matt8:11 and parallel];
That is, He will be an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom," He's not coming to "MARRY" the ones existing on the earth IN THIS LK12:36-37,38,40,42-44 CONTEXT (though they are, at that point, "believers"), and its parallel passage in Matt24:42-51;
--also Lk19:15,17,19 "RETURN"... when He will deal out responsibilities having to do with "have thou authority over 10 cities"... and "over 5 cities"
[NEITHER of these two passages and their parallel passages are speaking of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" event]
Nobody said that.
"sawdust" didn't say that.
You are CONFLATING His "RETURN" (which is TO THE EARTH, when His feet will TOUCH THE GROUND) with "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" which will involve ONLY *US* ("the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY") and NO ONE ELSE; and He / Jesus will take us to "where" 1TH3:13 STATES! (that's not "on earth")... We will [then, LATER (AFTER the "7-yr period")] return "WITH [G4862 - UNIONed-with] Him" (Col3:4, etc)
But that is NOT what happens when "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" takes place... which is what 1Th3:13 is talking about (when Jesus takes us UP UP UP... in the presence of God the Father of us!)
But when Jesus "RETURNS"... that is "to the earth" (when His feet will touch the ground) and the following (plus more) will thereafter take place:
--"when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." ... THEN "the meal [G347; see also this Grk word used in Matt8:11 and parallel];
That is, He will be an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom," He's not coming to "MARRY" the ones existing on the earth IN THIS LK12:36-37,38,40,42-44 CONTEXT (though they are, at that point, "believers"), and its parallel passage in Matt24:42-51;
--also Lk19:15,17,19 "RETURN"... when He will deal out responsibilities having to do with "have thou authority over 10 cities"... and "over 5 cities"
[NEITHER of these two passages and their parallel passages are speaking of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" event]
Nobody said that.
"sawdust" didn't say that.
You are CONFLATING His "RETURN" (which is TO THE EARTH, when His feet will TOUCH THE GROUND) with "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" which will involve ONLY *US* ("the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY") and NO ONE ELSE; and He / Jesus will take us to "where" 1TH3:13 STATES! (that's not "on earth")... We will [then, LATER (AFTER the "7-yr period")] return "WITH [G4862 - UNIONed-with] Him" (Col3:4, etc)
You obviously have reading difficulties.
What part of "not returning to earth" do you not understand.
The scripture is very clear Christ is appearing to snatch away His Body and take it to be where He is. He descends from the third heaven to the first heaven, there is no talk of coming to earth.
John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.
1 Thess.4:16&17
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
Your inability to comprehend the Rapture (resurrection of the Church) and the Second Coming of Christ (to rule on Earth) are two distinct events separated by a period of seven years, keeps you stuck. There is no way anyone in their right mind can interpret the 1Thess.4 passage as Christ coming to Earth to rule and ignoring it only serves to confuse the two events.
What part of "not returning to earth" do you not understand.
The scripture is very clear Christ is appearing to snatch away His Body and take it to be where He is. He descends from the third heaven to the first heaven, there is no talk of coming to earth.
John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.
1 Thess.4:16&17
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
Your inability to comprehend the Rapture (resurrection of the Church) and the Second Coming of Christ (to rule on Earth) are two distinct events separated by a period of seven years, keeps you stuck. There is no way anyone in their right mind can interpret the 1Thess.4 passage as Christ coming to Earth to rule and ignoring it only serves to confuse the two events.
You had made a post making the point that he will "cause ALL" to take the mark.
I was simply pointing out a passage that shows this isn't the case, that 100% of the world's population WILL take the mark (as you seemed to be suggesting, in that post). Nope.
Some will reject taking the mark. (Rev20:4b is some of the "saints" who HADN'T taken the mark, for example. So your point there was insufficient. Rev15:2 is another such example. Dan12:12 being another such example [however, THESE saints are never "killed"]. As well as Dan7:22/Rev20:4a [likewise, not "killed" or die]...)
I was simply pointing out a passage that shows this isn't the case, that 100% of the world's population WILL take the mark (as you seemed to be suggesting, in that post). Nope.
Some will reject taking the mark. (Rev20:4b is some of the "saints" who HADN'T taken the mark, for example. So your point there was insufficient. Rev15:2 is another such example. Dan12:12 being another such example [however, THESE saints are never "killed"]. As well as Dan7:22/Rev20:4a [likewise, not "killed" or die]...)
You think the Second Coming happens at the end of the Millennium. You have no event to initiate the Millenium other than the Resurrection of Tribulation saints and no Ruler to rule over the Earth. Your Millennium still has an absent King and an absent body of believers, afterall, Jesus said He would take them to be where He is which is in heaven.
An earth full of unbelievers that will be a paradise for a thousand years? Pull the other leg mate, it plays jingle bells.
Have a great day.
An earth full of unbelievers that will be a paradise for a thousand years? Pull the other leg mate, it plays jingle bells.
Have a great day.
Soul getting tired?
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the authorities, against the world forces of this darkness,
against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Eph 6:12
Most likely, he is a psychic who has a disdain for believers who take their belief in the Bible seriously....
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the authorities, against the world forces of this darkness,
against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Eph 6:12
Most likely, he is a psychic who has a disdain for believers who take their belief in the Bible seriously....
