I was wondering who believes you can get unsaved.

[enril]

can we keep the arguing down?
I am also looking for biblical quotes. not convictions.
I fall firmly into believing that you can get unsaved, because I did choose not to accept christ. as a concious decision. like, i thought, i dont want it for myself. maybe someday. i believe it to be truth, but i do not accept the truth. I still care about others being and getting saved, but i myself do not want ti.
until I got saved, and truly believe his love now.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

can we keep the arguing down?
I am also looking for biblical quotes. not convictions.
I fall firmly into believing that you can get unsaved, because I did choose not to accept christ. as a concious decision. like, i thought, i dont want it for myself. maybe someday. i believe it to be truth, but i do not accept the truth. I still care about others being and getting saved, but i myself do not want ti.
until I got saved, and truly believe his love now.

There are countless long threads on this site about this topic. Seems a new one pops up at least once a week.
And you're in the BDF. Asking for no arguing, or even minimal arguing, is completely pointless. All the existing threads on this topic are nothing but arguments.

 

[homwardbound]

God is the only one that does the saving in anyone. It takes one to decide to believe God, no matter what happens next to them or not.
Will you willingly die as well and not quit belief to God no matter what, will you willingly go through troubles as Jesus did for us first?
God saves, I respond in thanksgiving and praise see what Son did for me and all others too on that cross for each person to choose to believe it or not

Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Is it done or not?

John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

now after that, is he risen or not?

Matthew 28:6
He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

He is risen, we are all forgiven (reconciled) Just need new life installed in his risen Life given us by continued belief to it is finished for us to be given this new life in his risen Life from Father to us.
He is the propitiation for all sin first, before any new life can ever get given anyone. That takes personal prayer between Father you and risen Son, to believe God in the done work, done once for everyone to be given new life free of charge ever
That is what got done by Son for us all people, to decide to consciously believe God in risen Son Jesus or not?
Thank you Father and Son as Won (One)

 

[homwardbound]

Any doubt, in anyone about God's salvation for them, done in risen So to therm, causes problems as we all see going on to this day. just like

Authorized (King James) Version



And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it. And it was told the house of David, saying, Syria is confederate with Ephraim. And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind. Then said the Lord unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shear-jashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool in the highway of the fuller’s field; and say unto him, Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither be fainthearted for the two tails of these smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin with Syria, and of the son of Remaliah. Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have taken evil counsel against thee, saying, Let us go up against Judah, and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set a king in the midst of it, even the son of Tabeal: thus saith the Lord God, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass. For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people. And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah’s son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.

Just doubt, even a modicum of doubt, deceives, I remember this and see it can happen again in me. I choose, chose to stand in belief to God no matter what troubles come along, and have been in and through them also
Dead, stabbed, shot, deceived by others that said they believe and have done that as well over wanting stuff here and now.
Was not well for my Soul was for my flesh, not my Soul. I choose in thanksgiving and praise my Soul to be saved by God not myself or anyone else
the war is settled by God's Son once for us all to be new in God's Spirit and Truth
John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Therefore reckon
Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus
Psalm 100:4, John 19:30, Hebrews 9:14-17

 

[Webers.Home]

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Jesus has been tasked with tending a number of very special sheep.

● John 10:29 . . My sheep . . my Father gave them to me

Jesus' Father expects His son to be conscientious about the sheep's safety.

● John 6:39 . .This is the will of the One who sent me: that I should not lose
anything of what He gave me.

Jesus never fails to give the One what He wants.

● John 4:34 . . My food is to do the will of the One who sent me.

● John 8:29 . . I always do what is pleasing to Him.

Now the thing is: were Jesus to lose even one of the sheep that his Father
entrusted to his care-- just one --then Jesus would not be able to say that
he "always" pleases the One who sent him. He could say that he pleases the
One most of the time, but certainly not always without fail.

People are actually casting a nay vote in regard to Jesus' competence when
they insist it's possible for him to lose some of the sheep that his Father
gave him. Were Christ an ordinary guy I would be inclined to agree with the
skeptics; but his miracles demonstrate that the good shepherd has all the
powers and abilities of the supreme being at his disposal to insure he
succeeds at keeping the sheep right where his Father wants them kept.

● John 10:9 . . I am the door; whoever enters through me shall be saved.

Were Christ an ordinary guy; then he wouldn't dare say "shall be saved" no,
he'd have to tone it down a bit and say shall be safer instead of shall be
saved. That would leave him some room for error. But when Christ says
shall be saved, he's claiming a 0.0% failure rate. That's how confident Christ
is that he will lose nothing of those that the One gave him.

FAQ: Why can't the sheep change their minds about following Christ and
leave him to follow someone else?

REPLY: Animal husbandry isn't democratic, on the contrary: it's quite
despotic.

The thing is: a rancher's free will trumps his herd's free will; and the
rancher's brand burned into the animals' skins indelibly identify them with
their owner. So be advised: once someone makes the decision to unify with
Christ, they relinquish whatever sovereignty they had as a beast at large,
viz: they become Christ's property, and there's no going back because he
and his Father play for keeps. In other words: in order for the sheep to free
themselves from Christ, they would need to overpower not only him but his
Father also; which isn't likely.

● John 10:28-29 . . No one can take them out of my hand-- my Father, who
has given them to me, is greater than all; and no one can take them out of
the Father's hand. I and my Father stand together.

● 1Cor 6:19-20 . .You are not your own; you were bought at a price.

● Eph 1:13 . . In him you also-- who have heard the word of truth, the
gospel of your salvation, and have believed in him --were sealed with the
promised Holy Spirit.
_

 

[p_rehbein]

can we keep the arguing down?
I am also looking for biblical quotes. not convictions.
I fall firmly into believing that you can get unsaved, because I did choose not to accept christ. as a concious decision. like, i thought, i dont want it for myself. maybe someday. i believe it to be truth, but i do not accept the truth. I still care about others being and getting saved, but i myself do not want ti.
until I got saved, and truly believe his love now.

I'm a bit confused. You ask for Biblical quotes, but offer none yourself?

 

[Firmament4]

Revelation 3:5
[5]He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

 

[Firmament4]

Revelation 3:5
[5]He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.


So the name was in the book of life which I would say you are saved. But if you don't overcome you can get blotted out.

Matthew 24:13
[13]But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.


So if you don't endure to the end you don't finish the race as Paul talked about.

Revelation 14:9-10
[9]And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
[10]The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Some Christians are gonna take the mark and it don't like good for those that do.

 

[Karlon]

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE UNSAVED!!! once saved, always saved. learn 1st John 5:13. if you could be unsaved, then you could get saved again & it can become a revolving issue. DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.!!! think of the word "saved". there's no meaning of unsaved in the word saved.

 

[Magenta]

Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Psalm 103:12 ~ As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.

 

[Firmament4]

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE UNSAVED!!! once saved, always saved. learn 1st John 5:13. if you could be unsaved, then you could get saved again & it can become a revolving issue. DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.!!! think of the word "saved". there's no meaning of unsaved in the word saved.

So if I'm saved years later have a change of heart and start to follow Satan then do occult rituals and say things against Jesus I'm still going to heaven? Just as Satan offered Jesus the things of this world he also offers to many today. Look at Beyonce who says she's saved. She's a witch Satan follow. Her lyrics say she wipes her time of the month with the holy pages. I don't see her making it to heaven unless she repents moving forward

 

[Magenta]

John 6:37

 

[Firmament4]

John 6:37

I agree with that all who come to Jesus he will not cast out. But i can turn my back on him and walk away

 

[Karlon]

So if I'm saved years later have a change of heart and start to follow Satan then do occult rituals and say things against Jesus I'm still going to heaven? Just as Satan offered Jesus the things of this world he also offers to many today. Look at Beyonce who says she's saved. She's a witch Satan follow. Her lyrics say she wipes her time of the month with the holy pages. I don't see her making it to heaven unless she repents moving forward

NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT! this is really quite simple. if you have a change of heart, you were never saved in the 1st place! THINK "SAVED"! that means you are saved & can never be unsaved!!! what's so hard to understand here? if it's true what you about beyonce, she's not saved but highly deceived. when saved you are living with the Holy Spirit who leads, teaches, councils & guides us to truth! you will want to think, speak & act like Jesus. also, you will edify & grow in grace in our Lord savior, Jesus Christ.

 

[Firmament4]

NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT! this is really quite simple. if you have a change of heart, you were never saved in the 1st place! THINK "SAVED"! that means you are saved & can never be unsaved!!! what's so hard to understand here? if it's true what you about beyonce, she's not saved but highly deceived. when saved you are living with the Holy Spirit who leads, teaches, councils & guides us to truth! you will want to think, speak & act like Jesus. also, you will edify & grow in grace in our Lord savior, Jesus Christ.

Well Beyonce says she was saved who are we to say she was not. Also what about the rev verse if you take the mark of the beast which many Christians will. Look at covid. It don't look good for anyone who takes the mark.

 

[Firmament4]

NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT! this is really quite simple. if you have a change of heart, you were never saved in the 1st place! THINK "SAVED"! that means you are saved & can never be unsaved!!! what's so hard to understand here? if it's true what you about beyonce, she's not saved but highly deceived. when saved you are living with the Holy Spirit who leads, teaches, councils & guides us to truth! you will want to think, speak & act like Jesus. also, you will edify & grow in grace in our Lord savior, Jesus Christ.

Yes it's true about her. I research these Hollywood ppl to expose darkness. She admitted something comes over her before she comes in stage. Some of her music videos are about yourba religion un baptizing herself and following oshun

 

[Edify]

Scriptures about losing salvation are on the internet. with most of them being plainly written.
Arguments against it are many & use scriptures out of context while retranslating them on the fly.
The devil wants christians to believe their salvation is secure no matter what they do.
Few people realize that faith in something false is no faith at all & actually rebellion against God.

 

[DavyP]

can we keep the arguing down?
I am also looking for biblical quotes. not convictions.
I fall firmly into believing that you can get unsaved, because I did choose not to accept christ. as a concious decision. like, i thought, i dont want it for myself. maybe someday. i believe it to be truth, but i do not accept the truth. I still care about others being and getting saved, but i myself do not want ti.
until I got saved, and truly believe his love now.

Hebrews 6:4-8 reveals that one can... lose their Salvation IF... they decide to fall away...

Heb 6:4-8
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to an open shame.

7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
KJV

Of course the 'once saved, always saved' preachers teach against the above, claiming once one believes on Jesus Christ they can never lose their Salvation. That's not correct, as the above Hebrews Scripture reveals.

The above Scripture is about one who had... believed on The Father and The Son Jesus Christ, and even experienced powers of the world to come by The Holy Spirit, but turned and fell away from Christ. That is actually what the unpardonable sin is about. Once someone has been given PROOF, and they reject it, is to be fully... accountable for their choice to go into perdition.

For Christ's very elect and chosen though, it is impossible... for His chosen to fall away, for they are not 'called' only, but 'chosen'. (i.e., for many are called, but few are chosen like Jesus said). For Christ's chosen, He already owns them. Thus He can directly intervene in their lives to direct their work in Him. But for those 'called' only, they still can choose to fall away if they so desire. And to choose to fall away after having been given undeniable Proof, is unpardonable.

 

[Magenta]

1 John 2:19

 

[Jimbone]

can we keep the arguing down?
I am also looking for biblical quotes. not convictions.
I fall firmly into believing that you can get unsaved, because I did choose not to accept christ. as a concious decision. like, i thought, i dont want it for myself. maybe someday. i believe it to be truth, but i do not accept the truth. I still care about others being and getting saved, but i myself do not want ti.
until I got saved, and truly believe his love now.

Summed up the problem I found with losing salvation perfectly. You think you saved yourself so you think you can unsave yourself. Both are untrue. You do not have near the power you think you do. God has ALL power.