The hatred of Jews

[Needevidence]

Well, I am not a Hebrew scholar, this I will admit. Nevertheless, I DO understand the correct interpretation for "SECOND TIME".
And certainly within the context of this chapter i.e. "IN THAT DAY".

Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time H8145 to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Please render your interpretation in context. By all means have @Moses_Young @Yahshua chime in if you need back-up. They trumpet themselves as experts in all things Hebrew. Lets hear it.

You seem to have got very excited with your post, I like it, helps us all learn! apologies I didn’t have time to respond earlier.


The Israelites underwent 3 historical captivity's or exiles

"The Egyptian Captivity"

"The Assyrian Captivity"

"The Babylonian Captivity"

Isaiah lived during the late eighth and early seventh centuries BCE - "book of Isaiah" was written while many of the Israelites were undergoing the "Assyrian Captivity" (began 740 B.C.E.).

implying - the Israelites undergoing the "Assyrian Captivity" would also be rescued and returned by "God.

The author of the "book of Isaiah" was writing for the audience of its time why he used names like Assyria, Cush, Elam, Hamath, etc.; the author was NOT predicting or "prophesying" something FAR OFF in the future.

It says;

from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea.

[Most of these places do not exist today or in 1948!]


Again - They will lay hands on Edom and Moab, and the Ammonites will be subject to them.

11:16 There will be a highway for the remnant of his people that is left from Assyria,



Further proof:

Isaiah 10:

5 “Woe to the Assyrian, the rod of my anger,…………….

12 When the Lord has finished all his work against Mount Zion and Jerusalem, he will say, “I will punish the king of Assyria for the willful pride of his heart and the haughty look in his eyes.

[How can God punish a king that no longer exists?]

25 Very soon my anger against you will end and my wrath will be directed to their destruction.”

What’s ‘very soon’ - 2700 years later?


"root of Jesse" – who was this and when?


[Israelites from Captivity will be followed by a time of absolute, complete, and wondrous PEACE]

Isaiah 11:6-9 – ‘The wolf will live with the lamb,……………..’


Once again there is so much more that can be written, but one can clearly adduce;

• It’s written for that time regarding the 10 tribes of the Israelites and Assyria.
• It cannot relate to the Zionist state at present – since 1948 – no peace and numerous wars ever since, and ongoing
• Arguably a failed prediction
• Related to the Messiah 2000 years ago

No matter what way you look at this, it has no relevance to the return of the Jews to the Zionist state.

I note you still havent responded to my post #2478 – I presume you have accepted that it doesn’t mean ‘forever’!

 

[Moses_Young]

Everyone's focus should be on the information/facts/reality and not targeting other CC members. Part of the reason I suggested putting focus on definitions is because it would "do a world of good" in helping to keep the focus where it should be. Another reason is that it would advance the discussion "by leaps and bounds" if the definitions were ironed out first to create a stable foundation of understanding upon which to discuss it.

Right now, the absolute majority of the misunderstanding in this thread is occurring because there are multiple definitions for 'Jew' and 'Israel' being used in opposing views. There is no consensus for the definitions - thus, no stable foundation of understanding upon which to discuss.

Therefore, if the focus of the immediate ongoing series of posts does not shift away from the useless diatribe that has shamefully filled this thread to something more constructive - I will be forced to reach the inescapable conclusion that too many immature people in this thread will simply never learn to exercise self-discipline to the extent of self-control - and thereby implore @Oncefallen to just lock this thread - and put it out of everyone's misery. Also - Jim - if this thread ever again sinks into the kind of shameful cesspool that has been evidenced throughout its pages - please - just lock it without warning. And - you know I respect you and your "sense of judgment" (for lack of whatever better word(s) I should be thinking of right now) - if you should disagree with this suggested course of action - I will respect it and simply "bow out" of the thread.

I am getting tired of going to work, coming home tired, and all there is to read in this thread is 4 more pages of bickering.

When will all of the participants demonstrate maturity - with an appropriate demeanor - so that a productive discussion may be had...???

James 1:

26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

James 3:

5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

I suggest that we may have only one more last chance to stop all of the personal attacks and act like civilized adult mature brothers and sisters in Christ.

Please - everyone - bridle your tongue - stop the personal attacks (none - absolute zero) - demonstrate your maturity - focus on that which will encourage a productive discussion.

I understand your post, Gary, but don't totally agree.

There is one side which stubbornly refuses to define what they mean by "Jew", because they know when they do, their arguments will be undone. It will then be clear by their own definition that those who are opposed to the war crimes committed by the Rothschild State of Israel are not racists, as it is not racist to be opposed to a criminal government. Or if they happen to define "Jew" as a member of this government, it will then be clear that their definition of "Jew" has nothing to do with the bible.

Some of the accusations - particularly the slander about the site allowing the promotion of genocide - should be investigated. If true, obviously, the promoter of genocide should be banned. But if false, the one falsely accusing the site of allowing such promotion of genocide should be banned, as we live in treachurous times where freedom of speech can be taken away by such Communist lies. In my view, the below is slander worthy of banning, and which I have reported for such.

Advancing the extermination of a people should be enough to free us of him here.
He's advocating genocide of the Jews.

On a Christian forum.

To lock down the thread really grants victory to those promoting these lies, who won't define "Jew" because to do so would destroy their participation of differing degrees in the Rothschild Zionist heresy.

 

[Publican]

Yes, I think prayer is about the only solution to mass formation psychosis.
Certainly, reason and the ability for nuance and complexity is lost on those who driven by emotion.

The Father blessed me with the gift of discernment. He did not bless me with the grace of humility. That has been and will continue to be a work in progress. This is why I loathe these debates. No matter how hard I try to be gentle and kind and non judgmental, no matter how hard I try to speak the truth in love, these topics have the ability of stirring up the flesh regardless of my motivations. I don't want to hurt anyone's feeling or offend their deeply held beliefs. Its just unfortunately unavoidable given the circumstances.

 

[MeowFlower]

https://www.quora.com/How-many-times-has-Israel-been-exiled

Jewish Philosophy relates to the People of Israel as having been exiled four times, starting from their arrival in the Land of Israel at the end of Moses’ life (i.e., 40 years after the exodus from Egypt. The Egyptian exile is not counted within the exiles of the Jewish People.)

It is possible to count the exiles differently, but for educational purposes, the Rabbis count four.

The four exiles counted by the Rabbis are 1) the Babylonian exile; 2) the Persian exile; 3) the Greek Exile and 4) the Roman exile. Each exile was characterized by a different strategy.

1. In the Babylonian exile, Nebuchadnezzar enployed expulsion as his chief weapon, exiling all the Jews to Babylonia.
2. In the Persian exile, Haman employed physical destruction as his chief weapon, seeking to exterminate all the Jews.
3. In the Greek Exile, Antiochus employed spiritual destruction as his chief weapon, seeking to forbid and destroy the Jewish religion entirely.
4. In the Roman exile, Titus employed all three weapons together. The fact that he employed all three together explains why the fourth exile has been so much longer than the first three (lasting 2000 years until today).

All of these ideas are explained at great length in Netzach YIsrael, the sixteenth century work of Rabbi Judah Loew, aka. “Maharal of Prague”,and particularly in chapters 17 and 18, often quoting from other sources from a thousand years previous.

 

[Magenta]

Yeah, that's true...

But while some facts aren't pertinent to the timeline/summary other facts when omitted alter the narrative. For example, Ben says early in the video that the "Jews'" first exile was in Assyria. This is incorrect to say. The "Jews'" first exile was in Babylon (Jews being Judahites; descendants of the man Judah). Something as innocuous as this has implications because it assumes that all the Israelites are Jews.

All ancient Jews are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jews.

He took what happened to the Northern house (10 tribes plus some of Levi) and associated it with the Southern house (2 tribes plus some of Levi).

It's this same slip that leads to folks saying that Abraham, Moses, and Joshua were also Jews when they were not. Abraham was a Hebrew, Moses was a Levite and Joshua was an Ephraimite (Josephite)...which further leads to a misunderstanding of prophesy as the northern house had a certain timeframe of punishment while the southern house had a completely different timeframe of punishment.

He said the first exile was in or around 732. That is the Assyrian exile. The Babylonian exile was later.

I don't think it assumes what you claim. But you are free to believe that.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The point remains nonsensical. If I was alive back then I would've called out America. I'm alive now and I'm calling out America and Israel for their evil now. So saying that "no one stopped another group from doing evil" back in the past as a sort of justification for what's happening now, is not pertinent.

Obtuse, that wasn't the point being made. The point was that no other country tells you to leave and head for safety as Israel has.

Deflection. I'll answer it: September comes before October.

No it wasn't, it was an answer to a rude question.

Tis about the fourth time I'm sharing it, but here ya go!

https://christianchat.com/threads/the-hatred-of-jews.214439/post-5387822

You can choose to read it or choose to continue to stick your head in the sand. It won't change the facts either way. Do you denounce what Israel did to the Palestinians in September 2023?

I'm still looking for reports on this during that time. If it was such a big story the news didn't seem to think so. I can't find hardly a story on this, and Google certainly isn't right leaning. If someone can find more on this please share it.

Hamas, the Islamist militant group that has controlled the area since 2007, told the Guardian: “the people of Gaza want to live in peace and dignity. Further unrest is possible if our conditions are not met."

Until I search out a clearer story on this I think the above statement stands alone. Hamas terrorists are saying the people of Gaza want peace. Their conditions we already know, "From the river to the sea..." genocide of those people living in Israel, whoever you believe they are. There has been peace plan after plan offered to Palestinians and they rejected them all!! Even Bill Clinton gave up and said they were impossible to please. If it was peace Hamas was after they wouldn't have slaughtered fake Jews on Oct 7. They would give the hostages up now! Peace is not what they are looking for, Israel without Jews is what they are looking for.

Do you understand that Palestinians are semitic? It's a simple question of acknowledgment.

Merrium Webster -- An·ti-Se·mit·ic- relating to or characterized by anti-Semitism : feeling or showing hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a cultural, racial, or ethnic group

What can I say? They're deranged, demonic people.

There you go my Penguin pal, that is why the term Anti-Semitic/Anti/Jew is coming into play. They slaughtered their own people, just for the hell of it. That's what Yahshua is claiming. And now Israel and America are picking on poor Hamas. What have you to say about this comment Mr. Penguin?!

Here's an article..
IDF Ordered Hannibal Directive on October 7 to Prevent Hamas Taking Soldiers Captive - Haaretz

...unless, I guess, we now think that this Israeli news source is also a Hamas or Palestinian agent. Jerusalem Post and Haaretz are now Hamas psyops lol.
Look, I know it destroys a paradigm but you have to fight through your cognitive dissonance.

https://thedispatch.com/article/mis...f-killed-israelis-intentionally-on-october-7/

From the article;

The post exaggerates claims made in a Haaretz article and falsely asserts that Israel is responsible for most civilian casualties.

A recent post by ZirafaMedia, a U.S.-based pro-Palestinian outlet that has a presence on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube, cites reporting by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz to claim that the Israel Defense Forces “intentionally killed their own citizens on Oct. 7” and that the “Israeli army was responsible for the largest number of Israeli civilian casualties on that day.”

The death toll at the Nova music festival site alone is reported to be 364. While it is true there have been cases of fatalities caused by friendly fire from the IDF, nearly all of the Israelis who died that day were killed by Hamas.

You guys keep making it about one day, until it's proven that Israelis have shown a consistent pattern of evil.

Then the argument changes into "jew hater" rhetoric because October 7th is no longer a strong argument.

No, that's your POV. America and Israel have been allies since 48. Hamas is designated a terrorist group by our country. You try to turn it the other way round. It's propaganda, simple as that. I had an appointment today so I will take up the rest of your post/posts later.

 

[HeIsHere]

Do YOU think that these "supposed Israelites" in Israel pack up and leave their present location?
Just pack up, get out of there, and leave the land to whoever wants it.

There must be a word for this question.. given how the state of Israel came into existence, I do not know, hmm, ironic does not quite describe it.

Maybe we can send Ben back to the drawing board to explain it correctly, far better idea we should have Candace Owens up at the drawing board she is actually honest, it cost her job.

 

[Yahshua]

He said the first exile was in or around 732. That is the Assyrian exile. The Babylonian exile was later.

I don't think it assumes what you claim. But you are free to believe that.

It's not a matter of belief. It's a matter of fact. I'm quite specific in what I'm pointing out. I marked it in the video below:

1:50 - "The first exile that happens ***to the Jews*** happens in 722 BCE when the Assyrians rush in from the northeast, the Assyrian empire at the top of this map. They rush in from the north." That's what he says.

However, the first exile (the exile to Assyria) did not happen "to the Jews" because Jews are descendants of Judah. The two houses split before the northern house was exiled. Ezekiel was commanded to lay on his left side for 390 days to represent the sins of the house of Israel and his right side for 40 days for the sins of the house of Judah (Jews), a day for a year.

----

Ben states errors like this several times.

1:00 - Here Shapiro says "Jewish people" when this is historically incorrect. "The Israelites" or "Israelite people" would be accurate because Moses was a Levite (descendant of Levi) and Joshua was an Ephraimite (descendant of Joseph). These men weren't Jews.

1:32 - He repeats the error saying, "There's a lot of infighting among the Jews." Incorrect. There was infighting among the tribes of Israel which included many people, not just Jews (Judaites), eventually splitting them into two kingdoms (2 tribes south; 10 tribes north; Levites split between both kingdoms). The Jews went south and founded a "kingdom of the Jews" ("Judah"...eventually called Judea when it was reconstituted after their exile to Babylon).


2:00 - The exile to Babylon in 586 BCE is not the "next" exile of the Jews but their "first" exile, while the northern house never returned from exile because they continued to sin so their punishment was multiplied 7 times like Leviticus 26:18 prescribes.

390yrs X 7 = 2,730 years of punishment

722 BCE + 2,730 years = approximately 2000s AD/CE when the punishment for the northern house would've ended. We can't be more accurate than this because we stopped measuring time properly after Pope Gregory changed our time with his calendar. But this is enough to show even more that 1948 AD/CE wasn't a return of the whole house of Israel as prophesied because the northern house wouldn't have been free from punishment until some time after the 2000s.

3:42 - 636 AD/CE Arabs did take over the land. But Ben never mentions how it was the Caliphate that granted the Jews the right to return to Jerusalem in this very same year.

3:43 - Here Ben skips to 1099 AD/CA to talk about the Crusaders (Papal Christian kingdoms) invading the land. Note: The Papal kingdoms of the "Holy Roman Empire" blamed the Jews for murdering Christ, so Rome continued to persecute the Jews. Meanwhile, The Arabs were defending the Jews during the Crusades.


...I can go on. The point is, anyone not informed about these facts of history will watch videos like his and take what he says as gospel, never doing further research. And this plants seeds with just a pinch of leaven (mixing metaphors here), which balloons into significant error. And as the Word says, a little leaven is all it takes (Galatians 5:9 and Matthew 16:6). It matters.


Matthew 13:24-30
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

 

[cv5]

The exile to Babylon in 586 BCE is not the "next" exile of the Jews but their "first" exile, while the northern house never returned from exile because they continued to sin so their punishment was multiplied 7 times like Leviticus 26:18 prescribes.

Yes they did. Some definitely did. And the 7 fold curses only pertain to those who DID NOT repent.
There are MORE passages than this. But why waste the keystrokes on a fruitless effort to teach?
You profess to be the scholar and yet you perpetuate an obvious hoax. A very abused hoax.

“Lost Tribes of Israel” Are Not Lost
But none of the twelve tribes of Israel were lost, nor are any of them lost today for a number of reasons. The first reason is that when the Assyrian army defeated the northern kingdom, (the kingdom of Israel), and took them into exile, some of the descendants of the ten tribes were living in the southern kingdom, the kingdom of Judah.

2 Chronicles 15:9; 30:18; and 34:6, state that people from the tribes of Ephraim (son of Joseph), Manasseh, Issachar, Zebulun, Naphatli, Simeon, and “from all the remnant of Israel” were present in the kingdom of Judah. Notice that we are told some of the remnant of Israel lived in the southern kingdom. This means men, women, and children from each of the northern ten tribes were also living in the southern kingdom at the time the Assyrians invaded the northern kingdom. Those living in the southern kingdom were not taken captive and deported by the Assyrians. They were taken to Babylon. This means that the ten tribes were not entirely lost for some of them lived in the kingdom of Judah.

Nehemiah 11:20 tells us that men from all the tribes from the northern kingdom of Israel were living in the cities of Judah – the southern kingdom. The book of Nehemiah was written at the time the Jews were returning from Babylon. This means that none of the tribes have been lost.

A second reason the ten tribes are not lost is that Luke 2:36 states the prophetess Anna was from the tribe of Asher. Asher is one of the ten tribes that lived primarily in the northern kingdom.

Additionally, in James 1:1 we are told that the book of James was sent to the twelve tribes of Israel (Genesis 35:22-26). That is, people from all twelve tribes of Israel were alive at the time of Christ

2Ch 15:9
And he gathered all Judah and Benjamin, and the strangers with them out of Ephraim and Manasseh, and out of Simeon: for they fell to him out of Israel in abundance, when they saw that the LORD his God was with him.

Neh 11:20
And the residue of Israel, of the priests, and the Levites, were in all the cities of Judah, every one in his inheritance.

[2Ch 29:24 KJV]
And the priests killed them, and they made reconciliation with their blood upon the altar, to make an atonement for all Israel: for the king commanded [that] the burnt offering and the sin offering [should be made] for all Israel.

[2Ch 30:1 KJV]
And Hezekiah sent to all Israel and Judah, and wrote letters also to Ephraim and Manasseh, that they should come to the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, to keep the passover unto the LORD God of Israel.

[2Ch 30:5 KJV]
So they established a decree to make proclamation throughout all Israel, from Beersheba even to Dan, that they should come to keep the passover unto the LORD God of Israel at Jerusalem: for they had not done [it] of a long [time in such sort] as it was written.

[2Ch 30:6 KJV]
So the posts went with the letters from the king and his princes throughout all Israel and Judah, and according to the commandment of the king, saying, Ye children of Israel, turn again unto the LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, and he will return to the remnant of you, that are escaped out of the hand of the kings of Assyria.

[2Ch 31:1 KJV]
Now when all this was finished, all Israel that were present went out to the cities of Judah, and brake the images in pieces, and cut down the groves, and threw down the high places and the altars out of all Judah and Benjamin, in Ephraim also and Manasseh, until they had utterly destroyed them all. Then all the children of Israel returned, every man to his possession, into their own cities.

[2Ch 35:3 KJV]
And said unto the Levites that taught all Israel, which were holy unto the LORD, Put the holy ark in the house which Solomon the son of David king of Israel did build; [it shall] not [be] a burden upon [your] shoulders: serve now the LORD your God, and his people Israel,

Luk 2:36
And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;

Jas 1:1
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

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And YES, the 1948 and 1967 historical events were indeed prophesied to come to pass.
And yes, what you see transpiring today is in fact the Ezekiel 37 pre-gathering.
Precisely 2520 years of 360 days.

https://watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html

 

[Yahshua]

No it wasn't, it was an answer to a rude question.

Sometimes acknowledging elementary facts seems to be a struggle for some.

I'm still looking for reports on this during that time. If it was such a big story the news didn't seem to think so. I can't find hardly a story on this, and Google certainly isn't right leaning. If someone can find more on this please share it.

Wait, wait, wait. So now you need more than the three articles I linked to in that post to verify the story? You also need mainstream media to speak against the state of Israel to verify it? Sort of like a, "if I don't see it then it didn't happen" kind of situation? Left and right don't matter when it comes to this evil, fake, accursed state of terrorists. Both sides of the aisle applauded their (anti) christ when Israel's PM visited so you'll rarely see mainstream media badmouth their darling state.

But here, I'll help. Type "Gazan children shot in legs on September 2023" into Google. It's kind of my job to know how Google.com operates so if you're not finding results on this topic it's because you're not actually looking for them.

https://thedispatch.com/article/mis...f-killed-israelis-intentionally-on-october-7/

From the article;

The post exaggerates claims made in a Haaretz article and falsely asserts that Israel is responsible for most civilian casualties.

A recent post by ZirafaMedia, a U.S.-based pro-Palestinian outlet that has a presence on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube, cites reporting by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz to claim that the Israel Defense Forces “intentionally killed their own citizens on Oct. 7” and that the “Israeli army was responsible for the largest number of Israeli civilian casualties on that day.”

The death toll at the Nova music festival site alone is reported to be 364. While it is true there have been cases of fatalities caused by friendly fire from the IDF, nearly all of the Israelis who died that day were killed by Hamas.

Ok so let's take this article you shared and compare it with the articles I shared for reliability.

- The Dispatch is a conservative news source based out of D.C. (from their about page)
- Haaretz is a centrist news source based out of Israel. (from their about page)
- Jerusalem Post is a liberal news source based out of Israel. (from their about page)


Left <[JPost]-----------[Haaretz]-----------[Dispatch]> Right

in D.C. <[Dispatch]------------------------[JPost]-[Haaretz]> in Israel


Haaretz is the more reliable source in this situation, and they report on the IDF's Hannibal directive being a real thing.

Merrium Webster -- An·ti-Se·mit·ic- relating to or characterized by anti-Semitism : feeling or showing hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a cultural, racial, or ethnic group

More deflection. It's really an easy question. I'm asking you, do you understand that Palestinians are semitic people?

There you go my Penguin pal, that is why the term Anti-Semitic/Anti/Jew is coming into play. They slaughtered their own people, just for the hell of it. That's what Yahshua is claiming. And now Israel and America are picking on poor Hamas. What have you to say about this comment Mr. Penguin?!

And if I said, "Al-Qaeda are dangerous, demonic people" you wouldn't bat an eye. If I said "In 1933 the Germans were a dangerous, demonic people" you wouldn't think twice. The only reason you have a problem with what I'm saying is because you hold a certain group of people of a certain claimed identity as special or better than other people. That's called racial prejudice.

And no matter how many times I or others speak about their ACTS (i.e. what they're doing to innocent souls) you get triggered into identity politics, projecting your own prejudice onto us.

I loathe them with every ounce of my being because of what they're doing to babies and news flash The Almighty does too. And if one can't accept ALL of the passages in the OT where He railed against ancient Israel spilling the blood of the innocent in His land, kicking them out for it, then one doesn't really know the scriptures or Him. And if they don't know Him how could they possibly be sure they know who the people of the book really are?

 

[cv5]

Sometimes acknowledging elementary facts seems to be a struggle for some.



Wait, wait, wait. So now you need more than the three articles I linked to in that post to verify the story? You also need mainstream media to speak against the state of Israel to verify it? Sort of like a, "if I don't see it then it didn't happen" kind of situation? Left and right don't matter when it comes to this evil, fake, accursed state of terrorists. Both sides of the aisle applauded their (anti) christ when Israel's PM visited so you'll rarely see mainstream media badmouth their darling state.

But here, I'll help. Type "Gazan children shot in legs on September 2023" into Google. It's kind of my job to know how Google.com operates so if you're not finding results on this topic it's because you're not actually looking for them.



Ok so let's take this article you shared and compare it with the articles I shared for reliability.

- The Dispatch is a conservative news source based out of D.C. (from their about page)
- Haaretz is a centrist news source based out of Israel. (from their about page)
- Jerusalem Post is a liberal news source based out of Israel. (from their about page)


Left <[JPost]-----------[Haaretz]-----------[Dispatch]> Right

in D.C. <[Dispatch]------------------------[JPost]-[Haaretz]> in Israel


Haaretz is the more reliable source in this situation, and they report on the IDF's Hannibal directive being a real thing.



More deflection. It's really an easy question. I'm asking you, do you understand that Palestinians are semitic people?



And if I said, "Al-Qaeda are dangerous, demonic people" you wouldn't bat an eye. If I said "In 1933 the Germans were a dangerous, demonic people" you wouldn't think twice. The only reason you have a problem with what I'm saying is because you hold a certain group of people of a certain claimed identity as special or better than other people. That's called racial prejudice.

And no matter how many times I or others speak about their ACTS (i.e. what they're doing to innocent souls) you get triggered into identity politics, projecting your own prejudice onto us.

I loathe them with every ounce of my being because of what they're doing to babies and news flash The Almighty does too. And if one can't accept ALL of the passages in the OT where He railed against ancient Israel spilling the blood of the innocent in His land, kicking them out for it, then one doesn't really know the scriptures or Him. And if they don't know Him how could they possibly be sure they know who the people of the book really are?

Whatever your vile affections and sentiments, Isaiah 11:11 and these verses uttery destroy your anti-Israel pretensions.
And they serve as indisputable proof of both Jesus love for the sons of Jacob,
and their CERTAIN return to fellowship and service as a nation.
Which I assure you is in the process of happening before your very eyes.

Act 7:13 - And at the second time Joseph was made known to his brethren; and Joseph's kindred was made known unto Pharaoh.

Gen 45:1 - Then Joseph could not refrain himself before all them that stood by him; and he cried, Cause every man to go out from me. And there stood no man with him, while Joseph made himself known unto his brethren.
Gen 45:2 - And he wept aloud: and the Egyptians and the house of Pharaoh heard.

Gen 50:17 - So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him.

 

[Yahshua]

Yes they did. Some definitely did. And the 7 fold curses only pertain to those who DID NOT repent.
There are MORE passages than this. But why waste the keystrokes on a fruitless effort to teach?
You profess to be the scholar and yet you perpetuate an obvious hoax. A very abused hoax.

So, let's see what 2 Chronicles says...been a while since I dived into this so it took some time to find the passages.


2 Chronicles 29:1-3
Hezekiah was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem twenty-nine years. His mother’s name was Abijah daughter of Zechariah. 2 He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, just as his father David had done.

3 In the first month of the first year of his reign, he opened the doors of the temple of the Lord and repaired them.


Remember that the kingdom was split into northern and southern houses. King Hez was in his 1st year (THIS IS IMPORTANT). The rest of chapter 29 explains how King Hezekiah of Judah cleaned up Jerusalem from its corruption. Then we get to chapter 30 when he sends out letters to everyone in both kingdoms. Both kingdoms still stood in the first year of King Hez's reign.


2 Chronicles 30:6 NIV (partial)
...People of Israel, return to the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, that he may return to you who are left, who have escaped from the hand of the kings of Assyria.


Again, this was the 1st year of Hez's reign when he called the tribes of Israel to Jerusalem. But what was going on in the kingdom of Israel during this time? Well, we turn to the second book of Kings. Since the time of Menahem King of Israel, the Assyrians had been invading the northern kingdom often (2 Kings 15:19). By the time King Hez began to reign in Judah, Israel had been suffering attacks from Assyria for 25 years, with Hosea in his 3rd year as king of Israel.


2 Kings 18:1
In the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, Hezekiah son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign.


Hosea 3rd year = Hez's 1st year

Next, we skip down the chapter and read the following event.


2 Kings 18:9-12
In King Hezekiah’s fourth year, which was the seventh year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, Shalmaneser king of Assyria marched against Samaria and laid siege to it.

10 At the end of three years the Assyrians took it. So Samaria was captured in Hezekiah’s sixth year, which was the ninth year of Hoshea king of Israel.

11 The king of Assyria deported Israel to Assyria and settled them in Halah, in Gozan on the Habor River and in towns of the Medes.

12 This happened because they had not obeyed the Lord their God, but had violated his covenant—all that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded. They neither listened to the commands nor carried them out.


So the events of 2 Chronicles 30 that you reference transpired 5 years before Israel was exiled to Assyria.


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Regarding the 7-fold punishment, did you know that the "70 Sevens" timeframe was a 7-fold punishment upon The House of Judah? The punishment was only meant to be 70 years.

Daniel 9:1-2
In the first year of Darius son of Xerxes, who was made ruler over the Babylonian kingdom— 2 in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, understood from the Scriptures, according to the word of the Lord given to Jeremiah the prophet, that the desolation of Jerusalem would last seventy years.

...and then the angel of the Almighty explained how it would be 7 times those 70 years for the Jews to complete their sin, etc, etc, etc, (Daniel 9:24). This should explain even more why the 70th "week" isn't paused. It was the time of punishment.

 

[Yahshua]

Luk 2:36
And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;

Jas 1:1
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

It says it in the verse. "Scattered abroad". I am very specific with my words. I never said they were lost. I said they never returned from exile. The Almighty knew/knows where they are, the Messiah did/does, the disciples did too ("go to the lost sheep").

Isaiah 11:11

I'm not anti-Israel. I'm "anti" that murderous counterfeit terrorist state.

And Isaiah 11:11 is awesome because it proves they are not the genuine article.


And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.


Do you know where these places are today? The last one may be up for argument but we can clearly determine the others.

Did you know that the largest percentage of Israelites were not Jews at all? Ephraim and Manasseh were sons of Joseph and Aseneth the Egyptian?

And they serve as indisputable proof of both Jesus love for the sons of Jacob,

The Messiah loves the sons of Israel. Whenever they were referred to as "Jacob" they were usually acting like the supplanter.

Which I assure you is in the process of happening before your very eyes.

No that ain't it. There's another prophecy going on found in the smallest book in all the bible. Not even worth more than one chapter. That's how despised the people of that book are.

Act 7:13 - And at the second time Joseph was made known to his brethren; and Joseph's kindred was made known unto Pharaoh.

Gen 45:1 - Then Joseph could not refrain himself before all them that stood by him; and he cried, Cause every man to go out from me. And there stood no man with him, while Joseph made himself known unto his brethren.
Gen 45:2 - And he wept aloud: and the Egyptians and the house of Pharaoh heard.

Gen 50:17 - So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him.

Joseph never rose up into the ranks through murder. He was actually a man of God. A prefigure of The Messiah. It's astounding that you could possibly associate them with Joseph.

 

[Magenta]

...I can go on. The point is, anyone not informed about these facts of history will watch videos like his and take what he says as gospel, never doing further research.

You do go on, and I get your point, but you draw conclusions and assert them as facts when they are not necessarily so.

 

[Magenta]

Ben speaks of people who are to become what are known as Jews and refers to them as Jews.
Is this really as big an error you make it out to be? For a condensed look at the history of a
people in a region over thousands of years, I don't think it is. Could he have taken more
time and explained the historical differences and the lineages more in depth? Sure.
But the video is already almost 40 minutes long. Today if someone was trying to make
a much shorter point and they called Abraham a Jew of course it should be corrected.
Abraham was a Hebrew as you said. And the Hebrews became Jews. All of them? No.
Even Paul calls himself a Hebrew. He calls himself a Jew, too. Then he says none in Christ
are either Jew nor Gentile. Most people are probably not as interested in such a detailed
history about a people who are so vilified, trampled on, and questioned about their heritage.

Here's a stone.

 

[cv5]

It says it in the verse. "Scattered abroad". I am very specific with my words. I never said they were lost. I said they never returned from exile. The Almighty knew/knows where they are, the Messiah did/does, the disciples did too ("go to the lost sheep").



I'm not anti-Israel. I'm "anti" that murderous counterfeit terrorist state.

And Isaiah 11:11 is awesome because it proves they are not the genuine article.


And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.


Do you know where these places are today? The last one may be up for argument but we can clearly determine the others.

Did you know that the largest percentage of Israelites were not Jews at all? Ephraim and Manasseh were sons of Joseph and Aseneth the Egyptian?



The Messiah loves the sons of Israel. Whenever they were referred to as "Jacob" they were usually acting like the supplanter.




No that ain't it. There's another prophecy going on found in the smallest book in all the bible. Not even worth more than one chapter. That's how despised the people of that book are.



Joseph never rose up into the ranks through murder. He was actually a man of God. A prefigure of The Messiah. It's astounding that you could possibly associate them with Joseph.

@Yahshua said:
"the northern house never returned from exile"

This is an hoax. Which leads to the even worse British Israelism hoax.
And your last few posts were hogwash too. Just specious garbage.

And BTW, Jacob means "heel catcher", not supplanter or deceiver. And Jacob and Rebekah are ALWAYS honored for what they did. And they did the RIGHT THING in Gods eyes. CONFIRMED right here.....

Gen 32:26
And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
Gen 32:28
And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

 

[cv5]

Joseph never rose up into the ranks through murder. He was actually a man of God. A prefigure of The Messiah. It's astounding that you could possibly associate them with Joseph.

Again, you utterly FAIL to pass the test of comprehending the staggering and obvious prophetic implications of these passages.
And the Isaiah 11:11 Ezekiel 37 pre-gathering is well underway. Just look out your window bub.

Because you see, prophetic Israel MUST be on location, in the land, in order that the end-time scenario reaches its final fulfillment in the SC and the repentance and entering in of the Nation Israel into the New Covenant and millennium.

Act 7:13 - And at the second time Joseph was made known to his brethren; and Joseph's kindred was made known unto Pharaoh.

Gen 45:1 - Then Joseph could not refrain himself before all them that stood by him; and he cried, Cause every man to go out from me. And there stood no man with him, while Joseph made himself known unto his brethren.
Gen 45:2 - And he wept aloud: and the Egyptians and the house of Pharaoh heard.

Gen 50:17 - So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him.

 

[Needevidence]

Again, you utterly FAIL to pass the test of comprehending the staggering and obvious prophetic implications of these passages.
And the Isaiah 11:11 Ezekiel 37 pre-gathering is well underway. Just look out your window bub.

Because you see, prophetic Israel MUST be on location, in the land, in order that the end-time scenario reaches its final fulfillment in the SC and the repentance and entering in of the Nation Israel into the New Covenant and millennium.

Act 7:13 - And at the second time Joseph was made known to his brethren; and Joseph's kindred was made known unto Pharaoh.

Gen 45:1 - Then Joseph could not refrain himself before all them that stood by him; and he cried, Cause every man to go out from me. And there stood no man with him, while Joseph made himself known unto his brethren.
Gen 45:2 - And he wept aloud: and the Egyptians and the house of Pharaoh heard.

Gen 50:17 - So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him.

I responded to you in detail regarding Isaiah 11 & the 'second time' which you got all excited to tell me about - #2541 - which clearly clarifies this related to things at the time - yet you have ignored it As you did #2478 - forever as not being the accurate translation.

I presume you didn’t respond as you have no basis / evidence to support your position, otherwise you would have quickly rammed it down my throat with your constant all high and mighty remarks attempting to imply your 'superiority'.

Continuingly accusing people as Jew haters and belittle and insinuate because some are of a different opinion

Yet you keeping raising the same fruitless points (ignoring what you want) - if you believe 'second time' Isaiah relates to, the gathering now of the Jews, reply to my post and we can thrash it out. substance or waffle, will soon find out?

 

[Yahshua]

Ben speaks of people who are to become what are known as Jews and refers to them as Jews.
Is this really as big an error you make it out to be? For a condensed look at the history of a
people in a region over thousands of years, I don't think it is. Could he have taken more
time and explained the historical differences and the lineages more in depth? Sure.
But the video is already almost 40 minutes long. Today if someone was trying to make
a much shorter point and they called Abraham a Jew of course it should be corrected.
Abraham was a Hebrew as you said. And the Hebrews became Jews. All of them? No.
Even Paul calls himself a Hebrew. He calls himself a Jew, too. Then he says none in Christ
are either Jew nor Gentile. Most people are probably not as interested in such a detailed
history about a people who are so vilified, trampled on, and questioned about their heritage.

Here's a stone.

Your point would be well received if it wasn't easy enough to simply say......"Israelite", Magenta. Four syllables versus one.

Don't want to go into such detail? Want to keep it within 40mins? Call them Israelites. Let's not project onto Ben any constrains in time or need for brevity or any other difficulty as if he isn't intelligent or as if he hasn't published much longer videos on his channel.

If it was important enough to do he would've done it.

There is not a people on this planet who hold the title of eternal victim, especially as the scriptures themselves attest to about the very people in question. God himself makes the point clear that He is no respecter of person, a sin is a sin no matter who does it. An abomination is an abomination no matter who does it.

No one has a special protection due to claimed identity.

Like I said before, which I'm sure you've read, the issue is what these people are DOING. And in my case, it is also an additional issue that these people don't fulfill scripture to even be there yet. That's what I care about: scripture's fulfillment.

Full disclosure, I believed they were the people all my Christian life until 2011 when I finally cared enough to pay attention to the details only to realize that I had been deceived about a great many things in this world.

It's the glory of God to conceal a matter, while it's the glory of king and queens to search it out.

 

[Yahshua]

You do go on, and I get your point, but you draw conclusions and assert them as facts when they are not necessarily so.

Can you provide a conclution I haven't shared a fact to support? I'll correct it.