Do stillborns and deceased babies go to 'hell'

[Webers.Home]

his breath of life that bestows the soul

The breath of life that we all have today wasn't given to us directly from God
on an individual basis, rather, it's Adam's breath of life, i.e. human life is a
transferable kind of life so that the hand of God need not be involved in
every child's conception. In other words; none of us today are individual
creations; we are simply extensions of Adam, i.e. the first man's posterity.

● Acts 17:26 . . From one man He made every nation of men

FAQ: Why is it important that we all consist of Adam's breath of life; why
can't we have our own?

REPLY: Because Jesus would have to go to the cross for each person in turn.
This way, he only has to die once.
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[MeowFlower]

The breath of life that we all have today wasn't given to us directly from God
on an individual basis, rather, it's Adam's breath of life, i.e. human life is a
transferable kind of life so that the hand of God need not be involved in
every child's conception. In other words; none of us today are individual
creations; we are simply extensions of Adam, i.e. the first man's posterity.

● Acts 17:26 . . From one man He made every nation of men

FAQ: Why is it important that we all consist of Adam's breath of life; why
can't we have our own?

REPLY: Because Jesus would have to go to the cross for each person in turn.
This way, he only has to die once.
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You are free to think that.

1 Corinthians 15

God alone gives the breath of life.

 

[MeowFlower]

You are free to think that.

1 Corinthians 15

God alone gives the breath of life.

By the way, Adam became a living soul by the breath of God.

 

[sawdust]

The breath of life that we all have today wasn't given to us directly from God
on an individual basis, rather, it's Adam's breath of life, i.e. human life is a
transferable kind of life so that the hand of God need not be involved in
every child's conception. In other words; none of us today are individual
creations; we are simply extensions of Adam, i.e. the first man's posterity.

● Acts 17:26 . . From one man He made every nation of men

FAQ: Why is it important that we all consist of Adam's breath of life; why
can't we have our own?

REPLY: Because Jesus would have to go to the cross for each person in turn.
This way, he only has to die once.
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The sin nature is in the body, not the soul.

Romans 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

It is how we can inherit sin because we get biological life from our parents but our human (soul) and spiritual (spirit) life comes from God.

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

All souls belong to God because He creates the soul and it is our soul that makes us human. Our soul is what is created in the image and likeness of God, invisible and the essence of our person. Only God can create conscious life.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Christ took all our sins onto His own body and destroyed sin where it originates, ie in the body so this is how He could die for everyone yet still only die once. Christ dealt with the cause, not the individual results one at a time.

1 Peter 2:24
who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.

 

[JTB]

"all sinned" is past tense rather than present, indicating that the first man's
entire posterity from first to last were joint principals in his act-- not in their
own time, rather, in his.

Now that's an interesting thought.

 

[JTB]

We'd be better off never knowing the law.

Sure dat

 

[Dawnwawny]

Why would they go to hell?

 

[Webers.Home]

We'd be better off never knowing the law.

Well; you've got a point there because according to Luke 12:47-48 the
severity of one's retribution will be determined relative to what they knew
rather than what they didn't know.

However, it's a bit of a catch-22 in that a knowledge of the law informs
people as to just how far out of line they really are and thus has the
potential to urge them to seek protection from retribution by means of
Jesus' crucifixion. (Gal 3:24)
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[MeowFlower]

Well; you've got a point there because according to Luke 12:47-48 the
severity of one's retribution will be determined relative to what they knew
rather than what they didn't know.

However, it's a bit of a catch-22 in that a knowledge of the law informs
people as to just how far out of line they really are and thus has the
potential to urge them to seek protection from retribution by means of
Jesus' crucifixion. (Gal 3:24)
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And where we are told, where there is no law there is no sin. Because sin is breaking God's law, babies,newborns,still on and the murdered in the womb,know no law save,pun,the love of God their creator who's breath gave them life. Even if only for a little while.

 

[GWH]

It's possible that babies are born innocent, but none are born sinless; not
even David; and the guy said to be a man after God's own heart is a hard
act to follow.

● Ps 51:5 . . Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother
conceived me.

Plus: the first man's fall took everyone into sin.

● Rom 5:12 . . Sin entered the world through one man, and death through
sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned

"all sinned" is past tense rather than present, indicating that the first man's
entire posterity from first to last were joint principals in his act-- not in their
own time, rather, in his.

● Rom 5:19 . . By one man's disobedience many were made sinners.

FAQ: How can that be valid when Deut 24:16 & Ezek 18:20 say a man's
children are not held accountable for his mistakes?

REPLY: The secret to this is simply timing. According to Deut 5:2-4, Rom
4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17, the laws of God-- especially His codified rules
and regulations --are not enforced ex post facto, i.e. they aren't retroactive.
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W.H, saying "it's possible that babies are born innocent, but none are born sinless" seems self-contradictory to me, because "innocent" usually means "blameless" or not having committed the crime.

It is true that babies are selfish, but I doubt God would condemn them to hell for that reason. I think the more correct interpretation is "Adam and Eve sinned first, and all people die, because all sinned."

 

[Mem]

I've come to the conclusion that everyone is born insane and the point in life is to find sanity, and if we find ourselves without help in doing so, either from family, friends, or acquaintances, we are left to find it on our own. However, we are not left to ourselves, exactly, since Jesus made way that the Holy Spirit could guide whosoever will humble themselves to ask it. So, if reason of insanity is a valid defense for mercy, then babies are certainly afforded it. And the charge to "suffer the children to come unto me" is one to disavow any attempt, whether directly or otherwise, to cause their stumbling in their (inherently toddle ridden walk) coming to Him, their sanity.

 

[Webers.Home]

we are told where there is no law there is no sin.

It's my understanding that Rom 4:15 & Rom 5:13 are limited to the era prior
to the introduction of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

In other words; there was sin back then (Gen 4:7 & Gen 13:13) but people's
sins weren't counted as violations of Moses' law because it hadn't been
codified yet.

FAQ: How was it right for God to slam the people of Sodom and Gomorrah
as violently as He did when according to Deut 5:2-4 & Gal 3:17 Moses' law
isn't retroactive?

REPLY: There is such a thing as natural law. (Gen 3:22 & Rom 2:14-15) That
sphere is very useful to God's purposes in locations where Moses' law has
never been.
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[MeowFlower]

It's my understanding that Rom 4:15 & Rom 5:13 are limited to the era prior
to the introduction of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

In other words; there was sin back then (Gen 4:7 & Gen 13:13) but people's
sins weren't counted as violations of Moses' law because it hadn't been
codified yet.

FAQ: How was it right for God to slam the people of Sodom and Gomorrah
as violently as He did when according to Deut 5:2-4 & Gal 3:17 Moses' law
isn't retroactive?

REPLY: There is such a thing as natural law. (Gen 3:22 & Rom 2:14-15) That
sphere is very useful to God's purposes in locations where Moses' law has
never been.
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I'll say this.

If the God I praise sends the unborn who die by any means,and born babies to Hell, I've been lied to for decades and want nothing to do with him.

That being said, I don't have to worry about that.

People who worship that kind of deity do.

 

[Aaron56]

I've come to the conclusion that everyone is born insane...

In the past, in my clinical practice, I would use the same thing to settle down parents who were overly emotional about their child's behavior.

Them: "I can't believe they did that!"
Me: "Well, by adult standards children are clinically insane."
Them: "What?!"
Me: "Play with their food, their feces, put everything in their mouths, babble, mess their pants, throw things, etc. If you knew an adult like that you'd call for a wellness check."

It was a great icebreaker.

 

[GWH]

I'll say this.

If the God I praise sends the unborn who die by any means,and born babies to Hell, I've been lied to for decades and want nothing to do with him.

That being said, I don't have to worry about that.

People who worship that kind of deity do.

Yes, and some atheists cite Christians who say or do things that make God seem unloving as an excuse not to believe in Him.

 

[GWH]

The breath of life that we all have today wasn't given to us directly from God
on an individual basis, rather, it's Adam's breath of life, i.e. human life is a
transferable kind of life so that the hand of God need not be involved in
every child's conception. In other words; none of us today are individual
creations; we are simply extensions of Adam, i.e. the first man's posterity.

● Acts 17:26 . . From one man He made every nation of men

FAQ: Why is it important that we all consist of Adam's breath of life; why
can't we have our own?

REPLY: Because Jesus would have to go to the cross for each person in turn.
This way, he only has to die once.
_

Yes, we are derived from the original Creation/Miracle.

 

[MeowFlower]

Yes, and some atheists cite Christians who say or do things that make God seem unloving as an excuse not to believe in Him.

Those atheists are what some call damned fools. Who use Christians as their excuse.

 

[Mem]

In the past, in my clinical practice, I would use the same thing to settle down parents who were overly emotional about their child's behavior.

Them: "I can't believe they did that!"
Me: "Well, by adult standards children are clinically insane."
Them: "What?!"
Me: "Play with their food, their feces, put everything in their mouths, babble, mess their pants, throw things, etc. If you knew an adult like that you'd call for a wellness check."

It was a great icebreaker.

If you conducted an experiment and approached any adult, stuck your thumbs in your ears and then crossed your eyes, wiggle your fingers and stick your tongue out saying, "whoolooloodoodeepoop!" They would just look at you strange and wonder if you have all your marbles. But if you did this to a child...?

 

[Derobo]

Ofcourse they won't go to hell, they don't understand anything, so God doesn't hold them accountable.

 

[LINDAbae375]

Do stillborns and babies go to ‘hell’?

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Romans 7:8-11. I was alive once without the law when I was a child... I had no understanding of the law as a child and I was sinless because where there is no law, there is no sin. But when I became old enough to understand the law, sin slew me.

John 9:41 Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of your sin. But now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

Romas 7:7 … I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 10 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came [to me], sin sprang to life and I died.

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One is born innocent, and remains so, until one reaches the point where they think they know enough to make a decision about sin/God. Being born into sin, means we live in a world that is predisposed to make sure we make the wrong decision about God. Until they understand and decide, babies have no sin to die from.




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