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He condemned the Pharisees for breaking one of God’s commandments in the same unit of Ten the Sabbath is in written by His own finger but okay for breaking one of them Himself. Contradicting Himself not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments quoting from the same unit of Ten. Such a sad teaching.
Because Jesus was speaking to those who were still under the law. His death and resurrection changed all of that
 
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When Jesus said he fulfilled the law. It means if we sin we can still go to heaven without having to send a sacrifice to the lord. Jesus has paid the debt

But breaking the 10 commandment is still sin
 
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Because Jesus was speaking to those who were still under the law. His death and resurrection changed all of that
So now I can worship other gods, steal, break His holy Sabbath day, covet? Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments quoting directly from the Ten as it would affect our status in heaven, (Judgement) not at the Cross and in doing so, one would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat 5:19-30

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 
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So, to be clear. Your opinion is that God requires people to gather every Saturday to worship? Do you consider not doing this as something that could call into question someone’s salvation? (Please don't post 16 paragraphs-just a simple yes or no)
We are not saved by keeping any law, because we all have sinned . We are saved by the blood of Jesus through faith. Those with faith live differently than those who don’t, they are a peculiar people who keep God’s commandments and have the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:12

Jesus kept the Sabbath going to the synagogues which we call CHurch because He wants us to be in one body. If we are sick, not a sin to stay home but we can still keep the Sabbath day holy.

God said:
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

Lev 23:3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

A holy convocation is a holy gathering like in Chruch

Did this change in the New Testament?

Not by Jesus

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.

Did it change after the Cross?

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Not by the apostle's

Does it change in the New Heaven and New Earth

Yes. Only because now instead of worshipping Christ in spirit, the saints will be in His physical presence, like at Creation Gen 2:1-3 Gen 1:26 but the Sabbath remains just as what was promised.

Isa 66:23 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

The Sabbath was part of Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 1:23 before sin entered, made for mankind Mark 2:27 to bless and sanctify man Isa 56:1-6 Eze 20:12 because man cannot sanctify themselves, we need God. The Sabbath is a memorial to Creation and our Creator Exo 20:11 why we should not forget what God said to Remember.
 
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So what happens if we ignore the sabbath?
No different than breaking any of the other commandments James 2:10-12

We are judged based on the light we have. Once we know the Truth and go away from it, it becomes sin and we will be held accountable Heb 10:26-30 Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15

Sin is the transgression of God’s law 1 John 3:4 verses point to the Ten Commandments to define sin Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12 which is God’s perfect law converting the soul, written by God’s own finger.

We are in the last days and why we are being called out of our false teachings Rev 18:4 handed down by the Mother church who openly admits they changed the Sabbath, not based on scripture but based on their authority which they claim is above the Bible that almost all churches (her daughters) followed suit.

A few quotes

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

This change was just as it was predicted Dan 7:25. Most people do not realize when they keep Sunday over the Sabbath commandment, they are obeying Rome over God. The change happened in the 3rd century and came from a pagan festival where sun worship became Sunday worship and there was a great compromise that crept in the church because the Romans were exterminating anyone who did not believe the way they did, millions of Christians were murdered. It happened so long ago and Rome has controlled the narrative that many don’t even realize who they are following.

Jesus said not to follow traditions over obeying the commandments of God Mat 15:3-14- He called this worshipping in vain.

We are told whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16. Should we obey God and keep His commandments or obey man. This is the question that will separate us at the end of time Rev 14:11-12
 

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We are not saved by keeping any law, because we all have sinned . We are saved by the blood of Jesus through faith. Those with faith live differently than those who don’t, they are a peculiar people who keep God’s commandments and have the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:12

Jesus kept the Sabbath going to the synagogues which we call CHurch because He wants us to be in one body. If we are sick, not a sin to stay home but we can still keep the Sabbath day holy.

God said:
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

Lev 23:3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

A holy convocation is a holy gathering like in Chruch

Did this change in the New Testament?

Not by Jesus

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.

Did it change after the Cross?

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Not by the apostle's

Does it change in the New Heaven and New Earth

Yes. Only because now instead of worshipping Christ in spirit, the saints will be in His physical presence, like at Creation Gen 2:1-3 Gen 1:26 but the Sabbath remains just as what was promised.

Isa 66:23 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

The Sabbath was part of Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 1:23 before sin entered, made for mankind Mark 2:27 to bless and sanctify man Isa 56:1-6 Eze 20:12 because man cannot sanctify themselves, we need God. The Sabbath is a memorial to Creation and our Creator Exo 20:11 why we should not forget what God said to Remember.
Only 15 paragraphs, you’re slacking up.
 
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Sure, if we remove the context, we can make the Bible say anything we want, but in the end, we are not being sanctified by God’s Truth. Paul carefully explained the law he is referring to- ordinances, handwritten, contrary and against which is definitely not the Sabbath commandment, written by the finger of God, that is holy and blessed, which does translate into contrary and against. Paul made it clear he was refereeing to the annual sabbath feast days, holy days that are about food and drink offerings the context of the passage. The Sabbath started at Creation, when God made everything perfect before the fall And it continues for eternity for His saints Isa 66:22-23 thus saith the Lord.

Paul’s writings came with a pretty stern warning 2 Peter 3:16. I am sure Paul would be mortified with what people have done to his teachings countermanding God the way people pit his writings against Jesus and even his own. He didn’t even follow what you are trying to teach as he faithfully kept every Sabbath 30-40 decades after the Cross, thats a lot of Sabbath-keeping, but God’s faithful remnant keep God’s commandments- His version, not what was changed by man
I will conclude with what Paul wrote to the Galatians (excerpts):

2:16b - We are justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law.

3:10 - For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse.

4:10-11 - You are observing special days and months and seasons and years. I fear that I have wasted my efforts on you.

5:4 - You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

5:16 - For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: Love your neighbor as you love yourself.

6;15 - Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.

Happy trails!
 
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I will conclude with what Paul wrote to the Galatians (excerpts):

2:16b - We are justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law.

3:10 - For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse.

4:10-11 - You are observing special days and months and seasons and years. I fear that I have wasted my efforts on you.

5:4 - You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

5:16 - For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: Love your neighbor as you love yourself.

6;15 - Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.

Happy trails!
Hi again.

What is the main law Paul is referring to in Galatians? Not the Sabbath, thats not mentioned once in the whole book, so can’t make that argument.

The main law Paul was speaking about is circumcision. .

Paul was addressing the Jews trying to force Gentile converts to be circumcised in order to receive the gospel Gal 2:3 and to be saved Acts 15:1, the main law being referred to in Galatians if reading in context Gal 2:3,7,8,9,12, Gal 5:2,6,11 Gal 6:12,13,15.


Paul was not teaching we can sin and dishonor God by breaking His commandments Rom 7:7 Rom 2:22-23

Paul contrasted the law of circumcision with the commandments of God and came to this conclusion:

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
 

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So what happens if we ignore the sabbath?
You would be ignoring the law of God to follow the teachings of the Catholic Church. The Sabbath has been an integral part of the Bible from Genesis chapter 2 on the day it was created and blessed by the creator all the way to the last chapter of Revelation.

[Gen 2:2-3 KJV] 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

[Rev 22:14 KJV] 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

This is from an official RC document, The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine” by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.Ss.R.
Here is a summary of the key points regarding the change of the Sabbath in a question/answer format.
  • Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
    • Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
  • Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
    • Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
  • Question: Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
    • Answer: The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday because Christ rose from the dead on Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.
  • Question: By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
    • Answer: The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon Her.
This text of “The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine” can be read on by clicking on the following link, beginning pg. 65, https://ia802901.us.archive.org/30/items/converts-catechism/converts-catechism.pdf

[Mat 15:9 KJV] 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
 

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We are not saved by keeping any law, because we all have sinned . We are saved by the blood of Jesus through faith. Those with faith live differently than those who don’t, they are a peculiar people who keep God’s commandments and have the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:12

Jesus kept the Sabbath going to the synagogues which we call CHurch because He wants us to be in one body. If we are sick, not a sin to stay home but we can still keep the Sabbath day holy.

God said:
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

Lev 23:3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

A holy convocation is a holy gathering like in Chruch

Did this change in the New Testament?

Not by Jesus

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.

Did it change after the Cross?

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Not by the apostle's

Does it change in the New Heaven and New Earth

Yes. Only because now instead of worshipping Christ in spirit, the saints will be in His physical presence, like at Creation Gen 2:1-3 Gen 1:26 but the Sabbath remains just as what was promised.

Isa 66:23 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

The Sabbath was part of Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 1:23 before sin entered, made for mankind Mark 2:27 to bless and sanctify man Isa 56:1-6 Eze 20:12 because man cannot sanctify themselves, we need God. The Sabbath is a memorial to Creation and our Creator Exo 20:11 why we should not forget what God said to Remember.
Are you under the law?
 

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You would be ignoring the law of God to follow the teachings of the Catholic Church. The Sabbath has been an integral part of the Bible from Genesis chapter 2 on the day it was created and blessed by the creator all the way to the last chapter of Revelation.

[Gen 2:2-3 KJV] 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

[Rev 22:14 KJV] 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

This is from an official RC document, The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine” by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.Ss.R.
Here is a summary of the key points regarding the change of the Sabbath in a question/answer format.
  • Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
    • Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
  • Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
    • Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
  • Question: Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
    • Answer: The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday because Christ rose from the dead on Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.
  • Question: By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
    • Answer: The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon Her.
This text of “The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine” can be read on by clicking on the following link, beginning pg. 65, https://ia802901.us.archive.org/30/items/converts-catechism/converts-catechism.pdf

[Mat 15:9 KJV] 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
This is hardly the only explanation for a Sunday sabbath. Have you looked beyond the teaching of the RCC?
 
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Hi SaysWhat,

I believe the KJV and NKJV are better translations and taken from the original manuscripts.

Why do I believe this?

If we look at the next verse- its quoting directly from the Ten Commandments

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of them 1 John 2:4). The commandments are a unit of Ten Exodus 34:28 and you break one commandment quoting directly from the Ten we break them all. James 2:10-12

The other translations are not bad through. Washing our robes means we have been cleansed from sin and unrighteousness. The Ten Commandments is what defines sin 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Rom 7:7 so if we are keeping God's law through His Spirit our robe will be washed.

Clothing in scripture represents righteousness.
“I put on righteousness, and it clothed me; Job 28:14
And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Rev 19:8

All of God's commandments are righteous Psa 119:172 and His righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142
So do you think humans can be perfect and never break commandments?
 
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That’s a rather narrow and judgemental summation. You should consider giving the Sabbath a try, after all it was blessed after it was created on the 7th day. Why not spend 24 hours with Jesus once a week and see if your conclusion changes?
See you in church.
Rrcn,

The Sabbath is a gift from God. Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

But Desmon Doss was a great example of a sabath keeper God blessed him becuase he was a faithful servant.
 

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Hi again.

What is the main law Paul is referring to in Galatians? Not the Sabbath, thats not mentioned once in the whole book, so can’t make that argument.

The main law Paul was speaking about is circumcision. .

Paul was addressing the Jews trying to force Gentile converts to be circumcised in order to receive the gospel Gal 2:3 and to be saved Acts 15:1, the main law being referred to in Galatians if reading in context Gal 2:3,7,8,9,12, Gal 5:2,6,11 Gal 6:12,13,15.


Paul was not teaching we can sin and dishonor God by breaking His commandments Rom 7:7 Rom 2:22-23

Paul contrasted the law of circumcision with the commandments of God and came to this conclusion:

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
Here is what Paul was talking about in Galatians.

You say it's a physical circumcision but Paul was saying something else.

Galatians 5
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior,
20 idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions,
21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you,
that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God
.

So how do you negotiate the deeds of the flesh?
 

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That’s a rather narrow and judgemental summation. You should consider giving the Sabbath a try, after all it was blessed after it was created on the 7th day. Why not spend 24 hours with Jesus once a week and see if your conclusion changes?
See you in church.
The Jews enforced the Sabbath as a national day of rest.

Look where their Sabbath observance got them.
 
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So do you think humans can be perfect and never break commandments?
Not on our power, but we can through Christ by our love and faith in Him

John 14:15 “If you love Me, [d]keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.