A KISSed History of Beliefs

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GWH

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The purpose of this thread is to provide a succinct history of humanity's beliefs as context for the Christian faith, incorporating secular and scientific beliefs.

Beginning at the beginning, scientific research indicates the universe began when energy in a “singularity” exploded with a “big bang”. Science attempts to explain how the physical world operates, whereas the Bible focuses on why the world was created and how humanity should operate.

The Genesis account of creation (GN 1) portrays God as speaking the universe into existence, so that both the world and inspired scriptures manifest God’s Word, and then creating humanity in His image, who migrated from Babel after the flood during the lifetime of Noah (GN 11).

Secular histories of mankind commonly begin with the civilization near Babel at the Sumerian city-state of Ur in Mesopotamia, where archaeologists have found the earliest written language (pictographs on clay tablets) and wheeled vehicles.

Our study will continue from this point, trying to KISS the history as much as possible.
 

GWH

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I invite everyone to comment and suggest any corrections or need for additions to this KISSed History that you see, because this is a work in progress.

The Mesopotamians were polytheistic, but out of this culture Abram was called to worship the one true God (monotheism) in Canaan (according to GN 12:1-2). Genesis says that after a sojourn in Egypt because of a famine, Abram returned to Hebron, where he gave a tithe to a priest named Melchizedek of Salem (later Jerusalem), who served him bread and wine (GN 14:18-20). Thirteen years later God changed his name to Abraham and commanded that every male would be circumcised. After having a son, Ishmael, by his slave, Hagar, Sarah bore Isaac, beginning a rivalry that has lasted through the ages. On one occasion God tested Abraham’s faith by determining whether he was willing to sacrifice Isaac, which some see as foreshadowing God’s provision of Messiah (GN 22:9-12).

Abraham sent his chief servant back to his relatives in Mesopotamia to find a wife for Isaac. The servant found Rebekah, who bore twins named Esau and Jacob. After obtaining legal right to Esau’s inheritance by means of a ruse, Jacob fled to Mesopotamia, where he in turn was tricked into marrying Leah before being allowed to marry Rachel (GN 29:18-27). Jacob eventually had twelve sons by Leah, Rachel, and each of their servants, who became twelve tribes, before moving back to Canaan. On the way he wrestled with an angel in a dream, who changed his name to Israel and reiterated the Abrahamic covenant (GN 32:24-29). Israel showed favoritism to Joseph, so the jealous brothers sold him to a slave trader bound for Egypt, where Joseph impressed the pharaoh and became his right-hand man, enabling him to provide for his family when they were forced to seek food in Egypt during another famine.

We cannot be certain when the Hebrews moved to Egypt, but it is possible that Joseph would have become a powerful person during the reign of the Hyksos, the foreign “shepherd” kings, whose dynasty began about 1720. About this time in Mesopotamia, the Amorites conquered Sumeria and established the first or Old Babylonian dynasty. The sixth king, Hammurapi, claimed to represent the supreme God, Marduk. He established a caste system and a legal code with the main principle of “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.”

After Marduk's death Babylon was captured briefly by the Hittites about 1600 and then was ruled by the Kassites. In India the Aryans had also instituted a caste system to prevent their race from intermarrying with the native Indians. They developed a written language called Sanskrit. In the Aegean area there was brisk trade between the Minoans and Mycenaeans in Greece, the city of Troy, the Egyptians, and the Phoenician city-states along the coast of Canaan.

About 1400 the Mycenaeans conquered the Minoans. In Russia the nomadic herdsmen known as Cimmerians lived in the southern plains, and in China the Shang dynasty began about 1700, but still little is known about civilizations in the Orient, Americas, Oceania and sub-Saharan Africa.

To be continued (TBC)...
 

GWH

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I invite everyone to comment and suggest any corrections or need for additions to this KISSed History that you see, because this is a work in progress.

The Mesopotamians were polytheistic, but out of this culture Abram was called to worship the one true God (monotheism) in Canaan (according to GN 12:1-2). Genesis says that after a sojourn in Egypt because of a famine, Abram returned to Hebron, where he gave a tithe to a priest named Melchizedek of Salem (later Jerusalem), who served him bread and wine (GN 14:18-20). Thirteen years later God changed his name to Abraham and commanded that every male would be circumcised. After having a son, Ishmael, by his slave, Hagar, Sarah bore Isaac, beginning a rivalry that has lasted through the ages. On one occasion God tested Abraham’s faith by determining whether he was willing to sacrifice Isaac, which some see as foreshadowing God’s provision of Messiah (GN 22:9-12).

Abraham sent his chief servant back to his relatives in Mesopotamia to find a wife for Isaac. The servant found Rebekah, who bore twins named Esau and Jacob. After obtaining legal right to Esau’s inheritance by means of a ruse, Jacob fled to Mesopotamia, where he in turn was tricked into marrying Leah before being allowed to marry Rachel (GN 29:18-27). Jacob eventually had twelve sons by Leah, Rachel, and each of their servants, who became twelve tribes, before moving back to Canaan. On the way he wrestled with an angel in a dream, who changed his name to Israel and reiterated the Abrahamic covenant (GN 32:24-29). Israel showed favoritism to Joseph, so the jealous brothers sold him to a slave trader bound for Egypt, where Joseph impressed the pharaoh and became his right-hand man, enabling him to provide for his family when they were forced to seek food in Egypt during another famine.

We cannot be certain when the Hebrews moved to Egypt, but it is possible that Joseph would have become a powerful person during the reign of the Hyksos, the foreign “shepherd” kings, whose dynasty began about 1720. About this time in Mesopotamia, the Amorites conquered Sumeria and established the first or Old Babylonian dynasty. The sixth king, Hammurapi, claimed to represent the supreme God, Marduk. He established a caste system and a legal code with the main principle of “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.”

After Marduk's death Babylon was captured briefly by the Hittites about 1600 and then was ruled by the Kassites. In India the Aryans had also instituted a caste system to prevent their race from intermarrying with the native Indians. They developed a written language called Sanskrit. In the Aegean area there was brisk trade between the Minoans and Mycenaeans in Greece, the city of Troy, the Egyptians, and the Phoenician city-states along the coast of Canaan.

About 1400 the Mycenaeans conquered the Minoans. In Russia the nomadic herdsmen known as Cimmerians lived in the southern plains, and in China the Shang dynasty began about 1700, but still little is known about civilizations in the Orient, Americas, Oceania and sub-Saharan Africa.

To be continued (TBC)...
In Egypt, Ah-mose I led a successful rebellion against the Hyksos rulers and founded the New Kingdom and 18th dynasty. His son, Amenhotep I (1546-1525) further suppressed all foreign influences. The next pharaoh, Thutmose I (1525-1508) had no mentally competent sons, so his daughter, Hatshepsut, ruled by impersonating a man for over twenty years. She was followed by Thutmose III (1479-1447), who extended Egypt’s dominion to the Euphrates River and exacted tribute from the Hurrian Mittani rulers in Mesopotamia.

The ninth pharaoh of the New Kingdom, Amenhotep IV or Akhenaton (1369-1353), is noteworthy for attempting to change the Egyptian religion to monotheism, which is called the “Amarna Revolution”. (At this time records speak of Hittites gaining control of Syria and Habiru penetrating the area around Jerusalem.) His son-in-law was Tutankhamen or “King Tut” (1352-1344). Meanwhile in Mesopotamia, the Assyrians gained ascendance, annexing the Hurrians, Hittites and Kassites.

Reactionary forces ousted the heretic pharaoh and began the 19th dynasty with the one-year reign of Ramses I, then Seti I (1302-1290), whose son, Ramses II (1290-1224) is thought by many scholars to be pharaoh during the Exodus led by Moses. Certainly the Exodus would have occurred no later, because there is a stele erected during the reign of his son about 1220 that refers to a defeat of Israel in association with other Canaanites.

According to the book of Exodus, pharaoh let the Israelites go only after a series of ten plagues culminating with the death of the firstborn male child in each house the angel of the Lord did not pass over. Moses led over a million people to Mt. Sinai, where he gave them the Ten Commandments, and then they journeyed toward Canaan. Along the way God provided them with manna, water and safety from poisonous snakes (EX 16:4, 17:5-6 & NM 21:6-9). At Kadesh occurred the great apostasy, which prevented that generation from receiving the promised land (NM 14).

During their sojourn in the wilderness, Moses instituted the Jewish religion centered on the tabernacle (EX 25-27), which included the ark of atonement, an incense altar, a bread table, menorah, laver, veil and brazen altar. The Levite priests administered various offerings (LV 1-7), including burnt, meal, peace, sin, trespass. There were a myriad of rules (LV 10-27) on uncleanness, blood, sex, priests, feasts, jubilee, vows and tithes.

About forty years later, Moses preached a series of sermons known as Deuteronomy, which included topics such as the Decalogue, Shema and Covenant. Then he installed Joshua as his successor, who led the conquest of Canaan. After the death of Joshua, the Israelites experienced several periods of subjugation interspersed with episodes of liberation by eleven judges including Deborah, Gideon and Samson.

The capture of the ark by the Philistines prompted the Israelites to petition the prophet Samuel to anoint a king, and Saul was chosen (1SM 4-10) in about 1045. Saul was succeeded by David, who conquered Jerusalem and extended the kingdom from Aqaba to Damascus (2SM 8 & 10). He is credited with writing most of Psalms, many of which have messianic implications and show humility as a confessed sinner.

David was succeeded by his son, Solomon, whose reign (965-931) is the first rather firm date in the history of Israel. Solomon built a guilded temple for the ark, but when he died the kingdom was divided between Jeroboam in Israel and Rehoboam in Judah (1KG 12). Meanwhile in the Aegean, the Mycenaeans were conquered by Dorian invaders who founded Sparta, and Philistines from Crete armed with iron weapons and chariots invaded the area of Gaza. In America the Olmec civilization was in Mexico and the Chavin in Peru. Elsewhere, the Cimmerians still dominated Russia, and the Shang dynasty ruled China.
 

Publican

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The purpose of this thread is to provide a succinct history of humanity's beliefs as context for the Christian faith, incorporating secular and scientific beliefs.

Beginning at the beginning, scientific research indicates the universe began when energy in a “singularity” exploded with a “big bang”. Science attempts to explain how the physical world operates, whereas the Bible focuses on why the world was created and how humanity should operate.

The Genesis account of creation (GN 1) portrays God as speaking the universe into existence, so that both the world and inspired scriptures manifest God’s Word, and then creating humanity in His image, who migrated from Babel after the flood during the lifetime of Noah (GN 11).

Secular histories of mankind commonly begin with the civilization near Babel at the Sumerian city-state of Ur in Mesopotamia, where archaeologists have found the earliest written language (pictographs on clay tablets) and wheeled vehicles.

Our study will continue from this point, trying to KISS the history as much as possible.
Genesis says absolutely nothing about the "Universe". If God, with a Word, spoke the heavens and the earth into existence, and Christ is that Word, then words mean things.

The word universe will not be found in the original languages of the bible. A brief web search indicates the first English usage of the word universe was from Chaucer in the late 1500's

We should be very careful about using worldly terminology when describing the works and ways of God.
 

GWH

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Genesis says absolutely nothing about the "Universe". If God, with a Word, spoke the heavens and the earth into existence, and Christ is that Word, then words mean things.

The word universe will not be found in the original languages of the bible. A brief web search indicates the first English usage of the word universe was from Chaucer in the late 1500's

We should be very careful about using worldly terminology when describing the works and ways of God.
I carefully bet you $1,000,000 that "heavens" in GN 1:1 and "world" in RM 1:20 includes the universe.

Apparently you do not believe God is omnipresent?
 

Publican

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I carefully bet you $1,000,000 that "heavens" in GN 1:1 and "world" in RM 1:20 includes the universe.

Apparently you do not believe God is omnipresent?
What is it with you people and your assumptions? I made a very precise and accurate statement. Deal with the statement. Gambling is a sin.
Apparently you do not believe in Gods holiness. You see how that works? And if you have a million dollars, instead of gambling it all away, why not help a brother out?
I'll give you my P.O. Box A couple grand would put me back into the mission field. You could be an answer to prayer. But what's the fun in that.
Of course God is Omnipresent.
I must admit however, that extending His Omnipresence to galaxies trillions and trillions of light years away would make that quite a bit more difficult to wrap ones mind around. But since I believe God sits ABOVE the firmament in which all the stars are contained, its not a problem.
 

GWH

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What is it with you people and your assumptions? I made a very precise and accurate statement. Deal with the statement. Gambling is a sin.
Apparently you do not believe in Gods holiness. You see how that works? And if you have a million dollars, instead of gambling it all away, why not help a brother out?
I'll give you my P.O. Box A couple grand would put me back into the mission field. You could be an answer to prayer. But what's the fun in that.
Of course God is Omnipresent.
I must admit however, that extending His Omnipresence to galaxies trillions and trillions of light years away would make that quite a bit more difficult to wrap ones mind around. But since I believe God sits ABOVE the firmament in which all the stars are contained, its not a problem.
Pub,

Not extending God's Omnipresence to everywhere is not OMNIpresence. I wonder whether you limit God's holiness also.

If you would like to discuss whether gambling is a sin, I introduced that topic on the Various Moral Issues thread, but apparently you do not realize that we won't know whose definition of universe/heavens/world is correct until we get to heaven at which point I will forgive your debt for the lost bet. :^)
 

Publican

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Pub,

Not extending God's Omnipresence to everywhere is not OMNIpresence. I wonder whether you limit God's holiness also.

If you would like to discuss whether gambling is a sin, I introduced that topic on the Various Moral Issues thread, but apparently you do not realize that we won't know whose definition of universe/heavens/world is correct until we get to heaven at which point I will forgive your debt for the lost bet. :^)
I know gambling is sin. Don't try to include me in your evil behavior.
I never accepted your idiotic wager.
 

GWH

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I know gambling is sin. Don't try to include me in your evil behavior.
I never accepted your idiotic wager.
It takes two to wager, but I consider it a sure thing, not at all idiotic--I don't gamble.
 

CS1

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The purpose of this thread is to provide a succinct history of humanity's beliefs as context for the Christian faith, incorporating secular and scientific beliefs.

Beginning at the beginning, scientific research indicates the universe began when energy in a “singularity” exploded with a “big bang”. Science attempts to explain how the physical world operates, whereas the Bible focuses on why the world was created and how humanity should operate.

The Genesis account of creation (GN 1) portrays God as speaking the universe into existence, so that both the world and inspired scriptures manifest God’s Word, and then creating humanity in His image, who migrated from Babel after the flood during the lifetime of Noah (GN 11).

Secular histories of mankind commonly begin with the civilization near Babel at the Sumerian city-state of Ur in Mesopotamia, where archaeologists have found the earliest written language (pictographs on clay tablets) and wheeled vehicles.

Our study will continue from this point, trying to KISS the history as much as possible.
First, from a Christian worldview, we start with GOD as the Uncaused Cause. Secular is an explanation of all things after the removal of God as their cause.
 

Magenta

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Because he dreamed previously per GN 28:12 & 31:10-11.
He was also previously awake. Point being, the Bible does not say Jacob's struggle happened during a dream.
 

GWH

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How was his leg permanently disabled?
Because as they wrestled God could not get away from Jacob until He wrenched his hip.

BTW, God appeared to Jacob again in GN 35:9 even though JN 1:18 and 1JN 4:12 say no one has ever seen God, so take your pick.
 

GWH

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First, from a Christian worldview, we start with GOD as the Uncaused Cause. Secular is an explanation of all things after the removal of God as their cause.
No, removal of God is atheist. Secular merely means nonreligious. For example, a song about a 409 engine or cleaner instead of about GN 4:9.
 

GWH

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In Egypt, Ah-mose I led a successful rebellion against the Hyksos rulers and founded the New Kingdom and 18th dynasty. His son, Amenhotep I (1546-1525) further suppressed all foreign influences. The next pharaoh, Thutmose I (1525-1508) had no mentally competent sons, so his daughter, Hatshepsut, ruled by impersonating a man for over twenty years. She was followed by Thutmose III (1479-1447), who extended Egypt’s dominion to the Euphrates River and exacted tribute from the Hurrian Mittani rulers in Mesopotamia.

The ninth pharaoh of the New Kingdom, Amenhotep IV or Akhenaton (1369-1353), is noteworthy for attempting to change the Egyptian religion to monotheism, which is called the “Amarna Revolution”. (At this time records speak of Hittites gaining control of Syria and Habiru penetrating the area around Jerusalem.) His son-in-law was Tutankhamen or “King Tut” (1352-1344). Meanwhile in Mesopotamia, the Assyrians gained ascendance, annexing the Hurrians, Hittites and Kassites.

Reactionary forces ousted the heretic pharaoh and began the 19th dynasty with the one-year reign of Ramses I, then Seti I (1302-1290), whose son, Ramses II (1290-1224) is thought by many scholars to be pharaoh during the Exodus led by Moses. Certainly the Exodus would have occurred no later, because there is a stele erected during the reign of his son about 1220 that refers to a defeat of Israel in association with other Canaanites.

According to the book of Exodus, pharaoh let the Israelites go only after a series of ten plagues culminating with the death of the firstborn male child in each house the angel of the Lord did not pass over. Moses led over a million people to Mt. Sinai, where he gave them the Ten Commandments, and then they journeyed toward Canaan. Along the way God provided them with manna, water and safety from poisonous snakes (EX 16:4, 17:5-6 & NM 21:6-9). At Kadesh occurred the great apostasy, which prevented that generation from receiving the promised land (NM 14).

During their sojourn in the wilderness, Moses instituted the Jewish religion centered on the tabernacle (EX 25-27), which included the ark of atonement, an incense altar, a bread table, menorah, laver, veil and brazen altar. The Levite priests administered various offerings (LV 1-7), including burnt, meal, peace, sin, trespass. There were a myriad of rules (LV 10-27) on uncleanness, blood, sex, priests, feasts, jubilee, vows and tithes.

About forty years later, Moses preached a series of sermons known as Deuteronomy, which included topics such as the Decalogue, Shema and Covenant. Then he installed Joshua as his successor, who led the conquest of Canaan. After the death of Joshua, the Israelites experienced several periods of subjugation interspersed with episodes of liberation by eleven judges including Deborah, Gideon and Samson.

The capture of the ark by the Philistines prompted the Israelites to petition the prophet Samuel to anoint a king, and Saul was chosen (1SM 4-10) in about 1045. Saul was succeeded by David, who conquered Jerusalem and extended the kingdom from Aqaba to Damascus (2SM 8 & 10). He is credited with writing most of Psalms, many of which have messianic implications and show humility as a confessed sinner.

David was succeeded by his son, Solomon, whose reign (965-931) is the first rather firm date in the history of Israel. Solomon built a guilded temple for the ark, but when he died the kingdom was divided between Jeroboam in Israel and Rehoboam in Judah (1KG 12). Meanwhile in the Aegean, the Mycenaeans were conquered by Dorian invaders who founded Sparta, and Philistines from Crete armed with iron weapons and chariots invaded the area of Gaza. In America the Olmec civilization was in Mexico and the Chavin in Peru. Elsewhere, the Cimmerians still dominated Russia, and the Shang dynasty ruled China.
In Israel, Omri established Samaria as his capital. His son, Ahab, married the daughter of a Phoenecian king-priest, Jezebel, who made Baal-worship the official religion, which led to a showdown with the prophet Elijah on Mount Carmel (1KG 18). Ahab’s successor, Jehu, is shown on his knees in 841 paying tribute to the Assyrian Shalmaneser III on the Black Obelisk that is now in the British Museum. During the reign of Azariah/Uzziah, Amos was the first in a series of prophets whose words were preserved separately from the accounts of the national history, including Hosea, the only writing prophet from Israel, and Isaiah, who spoke of the Messiah and salvation of the Gentiles. About this time around the Aegean, the Phoenecians founded Carthage (in 814), and the Etruscans invaded Italy. Elsewhere, the Cimmerians were displaced by Scythians in Russia, the Vedas were being written and collected in India, the feudalistic Chou dynasty began in China, and the Nok culture was in Nigeria.

Samaria fell to Shalmaneser V in 722, and the ten northern tribes were exiled to various locations throughout the Assyrian Empire. In Judah, King Hezekiah was succeeded by Manasseh and then Josiah, the most righteous king since David, who led a religious reform, probably encouraged by the prophet Jeremiah, who followed Isaiah and may have written Kings (2KG 22:3, JR 1:2, 2CHR 34). Josiah was killed in 609 by pharaoh Neco, who tried to prevent the Babylonians from conquering the Assyrians. In Greece, the poet Homer (8th century?) wrote the Iliad and the Odyssey. In Africa, Egypt’s dynasties included the Theban, Memphite and Ethiopian kings before the Assyrian occupation in 674-650), which was followed by the 26th dynasty of the Saite kings.
 

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No, removal of God is atheist. Secular merely means nonreligious. For example, a song about a 409 engine or cleaner instead of about GN 4:9.
Look at the founding context of Secular, which is no God. Which I might add is a religion.
 

GWH

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Look at the founding context of Secular, which is no God. Which I might add is a religion.
What you are talking about is Secular Humanism, a Euphemism for Atheism which is indeed a religion but not how I was using the term.