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Then let's quickly examine these verses.
1Th 4:13
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
In verses 13, 14, 15, and 16, we read of "them which are asleep," "them also which sleep in Jesus," and/or "the dead in Christ." In other words, we are reading of dead saints whose spirits and souls have gone to be with Jesus, and Paul was seeking to comfort the Thessalonians regarding the same. In relation to these dead saints, Paul said that at "the coming of the Lord" (vs. 15) or as "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven" (vs. 16), he will "bring with him" these departed spirits and souls in order that they might receive their glorified bodies.
When did this happen?
In the first century?
No, it has not happened yet, and we can be sure of that because "we which are alive and remain," or the Christians who will yet be alive at this time, "shall be caught up TOGETHER with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
Have you been "caught up TOGETHER" with these dead saints to meet the Lord in the clouds?
I certainly haven't been.
Have you already received your glorified body?
I certainly haven't received mine yet.
How in the world can you possibly even consider that this resurrection is already past?
I do not mean for my question to sound disrespectful, but I would seriously like to know how anybody could even consider that any of this has already transpired.
1Th 4:13
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
In verses 13, 14, 15, and 16, we read of "them which are asleep," "them also which sleep in Jesus," and/or "the dead in Christ." In other words, we are reading of dead saints whose spirits and souls have gone to be with Jesus, and Paul was seeking to comfort the Thessalonians regarding the same. In relation to these dead saints, Paul said that at "the coming of the Lord" (vs. 15) or as "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven" (vs. 16), he will "bring with him" these departed spirits and souls in order that they might receive their glorified bodies.
When did this happen?
In the first century?
No, it has not happened yet, and we can be sure of that because "we which are alive and remain," or the Christians who will yet be alive at this time, "shall be caught up TOGETHER with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
Have you been "caught up TOGETHER" with these dead saints to meet the Lord in the clouds?
I certainly haven't been.
Have you already received your glorified body?
I certainly haven't received mine yet.
How in the world can you possibly even consider that this resurrection is already past?
I do not mean for my question to sound disrespectful, but I would seriously like to know how anybody could even consider that any of this has already transpired.
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The Apostle John was living then. Was he bodily resurrected in 70 A.D.? No, he was not.
What about the Apostle Paul? He was already dead before 70 A.D. Has he already come and descended with Christ to receive his glorified body? No, he most certainly has not.
Looking quickly at one of your other 5 references, we read this:
1Co 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55
O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
In verse 50, Paul told us exactly why we need glorified bodies, and that is so we can inherit the kingdom of God. This kingdom, as I sought to begin to explain yesterday, is coming to this earth. You know, that whole "Thy kingdom come" thing that Jesus taught us to pray about. Has the kingdom of God already come? Is Paul currently in that kingdom with a glorified body? For that matter, has death already been swallowed up in victory? I mean, Paul said that it would be "when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immorality." Of course, none of these things transpired in the first century. Instead, they will all transpire when Christ comes a second time.
I could, but probably not in the manner which you desire. Consider once more what Paul said here:
1Th 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
When this truly transpires, all Christians "shall ever be with the Lord," and this begs the following two-part question:
Where will the Lord be at this time, and what will he be doing?
The correct answers to these questions are that the Lord will be here on earth and reigning over the wicked who have not experienced "total destruction" at his return, and that the resurrected saints will be reigning with him for 1000 years or until the time comes that Jesus delivers the kingdom up to his Father. I have touched upon this truth in a previous response to you on this thread, but I could easily greatly elaborate on it by introducing other portions of scripture into this conversation.
What about the Apostle Paul? He was already dead before 70 A.D. Has he already come and descended with Christ to receive his glorified body? No, he most certainly has not.
Looking quickly at one of your other 5 references, we read this:
1Co 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55
O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
In verse 50, Paul told us exactly why we need glorified bodies, and that is so we can inherit the kingdom of God. This kingdom, as I sought to begin to explain yesterday, is coming to this earth. You know, that whole "Thy kingdom come" thing that Jesus taught us to pray about. Has the kingdom of God already come? Is Paul currently in that kingdom with a glorified body? For that matter, has death already been swallowed up in victory? I mean, Paul said that it would be "when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immorality." Of course, none of these things transpired in the first century. Instead, they will all transpire when Christ comes a second time.
I could, but probably not in the manner which you desire. Consider once more what Paul said here:
1Th 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
When this truly transpires, all Christians "shall ever be with the Lord," and this begs the following two-part question:
Where will the Lord be at this time, and what will he be doing?
The correct answers to these questions are that the Lord will be here on earth and reigning over the wicked who have not experienced "total destruction" at his return, and that the resurrected saints will be reigning with him for 1000 years or until the time comes that Jesus delivers the kingdom up to his Father. I have touched upon this truth in a previous response to you on this thread, but I could easily greatly elaborate on it by introducing other portions of scripture into this conversation.
I now agree with you that the taste of death appears to mean the second death.
Jerusalem was made desolate by 70 AD. I don't know what year Christ came for that generation. Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
What about Paul, Peter, and John?
Jhn 21:18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. (19)This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me. (20)Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? (21)Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? (22)Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
Jerusalem was made desolate by 70 AD. I don't know what year Christ came for that generation. Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
What about Paul, Peter, and John?
Jhn 21:18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. (19)This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me. (20)Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? (21)Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? (22)Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
keepingthingsreal greetings,
I have to confess that I am often dogmatic on things that are sometimes not true though I thought them to be true. I thought the taste of death was referencing a physical death and now, thanks to you, I believe it is referencing the death of the soul.
Is there a difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven?
You ask if Paul has a resurrected body. I don't know. I don't know if those that were raised out of the grave when Jesus was resurrected have a resurrected body.
Mat 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
I have to confess that I am often dogmatic on things that are sometimes not true though I thought them to be true. I thought the taste of death was referencing a physical death and now, thanks to you, I believe it is referencing the death of the soul.
Is there a difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven?
You ask if Paul has a resurrected body. I don't know. I don't know if those that were raised out of the grave when Jesus was resurrected have a resurrected body.
Mat 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Greetings to you as well, sir.
I am sorry that I have been silent recently. Work has been a bit overwhelming for me as it normally is this time of the year. Some days, I work a night shift, only to have to work an early morning shift the next day, and, quite frankly, I am both physically and mentally tired. That said, I have been pondering our conversation with whatever brainpower I have left, and I do plan on jumping back into it when I have more time to do so. I think that I am off next Monday, so it might not be until then that I can really delve back into this discussion with you.
For now, I can tell you that I definitely do not believe that there is a difference between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven. I know that there is a very popular, and very believed and received, teaching which insists that Matthew's gospel was directed solely towards the Jews, and that he allegedly only ever spoke of the kingdom of heaven, whereas other gospel writers referred to the kingdom of God, but that is a flat-out lie. In other words, although Matthew mentioned the kingdom of heaven 32 times in his gospel account, he also mentioned the kingdom of God in the following passages of scripture.
Mat 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Mat 19:24
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mat 21:31
Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
Mat 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Matthew used the two phrases interchangeably, and they mean exactly the same thing.
As far as the resurrected saints from Matthew's gospel account are concerned, no, they definitely do not have resurrected bodies, as in glorified bodies, yet, and nobody will until the time of Christ's second coming.
1Co 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
There are many passages throughout the New Testament which plainly teach that no saint will receive their glorified body until the time of the second coming of Christ. Well, what about the resurrected saints in Matthew's gospel account? If they have not yet received glorified bodies, then what were their resurrections all about? Simply put, in both the old and new testaments alike, many people were raised from the dead; only to die again at some later point in time. Lazarus would be one such example.
Paul, while writing after Matthew's account, said the following.
Rom 8:18
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Rom 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8:24
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25
But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Not only are Christians, or those who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, still groaning while awaiting and hoping for the redemption of their bodies, but the whole creation is similarly groaning as it awaits the manifestation of the sons of God. That manifestation will not be complete until the time of Christ's second coming when our redemption will be complete as we, as saints of God, receive our glorified bodies.
That is all that I have time for right now. I only slept about 4 hours last night, and I do have an 8 hour work day coming up later this afternoon, so I need to try to get a little more rest before that begins.
Have a blessed day.
I am sorry that I have been silent recently. Work has been a bit overwhelming for me as it normally is this time of the year. Some days, I work a night shift, only to have to work an early morning shift the next day, and, quite frankly, I am both physically and mentally tired. That said, I have been pondering our conversation with whatever brainpower I have left, and I do plan on jumping back into it when I have more time to do so. I think that I am off next Monday, so it might not be until then that I can really delve back into this discussion with you.
For now, I can tell you that I definitely do not believe that there is a difference between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven. I know that there is a very popular, and very believed and received, teaching which insists that Matthew's gospel was directed solely towards the Jews, and that he allegedly only ever spoke of the kingdom of heaven, whereas other gospel writers referred to the kingdom of God, but that is a flat-out lie. In other words, although Matthew mentioned the kingdom of heaven 32 times in his gospel account, he also mentioned the kingdom of God in the following passages of scripture.
Mat 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Mat 19:24
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mat 21:31
Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
Mat 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Matthew used the two phrases interchangeably, and they mean exactly the same thing.
As far as the resurrected saints from Matthew's gospel account are concerned, no, they definitely do not have resurrected bodies, as in glorified bodies, yet, and nobody will until the time of Christ's second coming.
1Co 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
There are many passages throughout the New Testament which plainly teach that no saint will receive their glorified body until the time of the second coming of Christ. Well, what about the resurrected saints in Matthew's gospel account? If they have not yet received glorified bodies, then what were their resurrections all about? Simply put, in both the old and new testaments alike, many people were raised from the dead; only to die again at some later point in time. Lazarus would be one such example.
Paul, while writing after Matthew's account, said the following.
Rom 8:18
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Rom 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8:24
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25
But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Not only are Christians, or those who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, still groaning while awaiting and hoping for the redemption of their bodies, but the whole creation is similarly groaning as it awaits the manifestation of the sons of God. That manifestation will not be complete until the time of Christ's second coming when our redemption will be complete as we, as saints of God, receive our glorified bodies.
That is all that I have time for right now. I only slept about 4 hours last night, and I do have an 8 hour work day coming up later this afternoon, so I need to try to get a little more rest before that begins.
Have a blessed day.
Seeing how I have a few minutes, I thought that I would show you clearly, from scripture, that the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are one and the same. Here are some examples of this truth.
Mar 1:14
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mar 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mat 4:12
Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;
Mat 4:13
And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:
Mat 4:14
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
Mat 4:15
The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
Mat 4:16
The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
Mat 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
After John the Baptist was cast into prison, Mark says that Jesus preached that the kingdom of God is at hand, and Matthew says that Jesus preached that the kingdom of heaven is at hand. They are the same thing.
Luk 9:1
Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
Luk 9:2
And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
Mat 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Luke says that Jesus sent the twelve to preach the kingdom of God, and Matthew say that Jesus sent the twelve to preach the kingdom of heaven. They are the same thing.
Luk 8:9
And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?
Luk 8:10
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Mat 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
While discussing the parable of the sower, Luke says that it was given to Jesus' disciples to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, and Matthew says that it was given to them to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven. They are the same thing.
There are plenty of other examples of this biblical truth that I could give, but these three examples ought to suffice.
May I ask why you asked this question?
Mar 1:14
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mar 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mat 4:12
Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;
Mat 4:13
And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:
Mat 4:14
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
Mat 4:15
The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
Mat 4:16
The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
Mat 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
After John the Baptist was cast into prison, Mark says that Jesus preached that the kingdom of God is at hand, and Matthew says that Jesus preached that the kingdom of heaven is at hand. They are the same thing.
Luk 9:1
Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
Luk 9:2
And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
Mat 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Luke says that Jesus sent the twelve to preach the kingdom of God, and Matthew say that Jesus sent the twelve to preach the kingdom of heaven. They are the same thing.
Luk 8:9
And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?
Luk 8:10
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Mat 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
While discussing the parable of the sower, Luke says that it was given to Jesus' disciples to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, and Matthew says that it was given to them to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven. They are the same thing.
There are plenty of other examples of this biblical truth that I could give, but these three examples ought to suffice.
May I ask why you asked this question?
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It's a spiritual kingdom composed of spiritual beings out of heaven, ie. Christ, the resurrected, the translated. Nothing of earth about them. Then God the father joins them after the 1000 years in the new Jerusalem that descends from heaven to earth
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Revelation 21:10
The Bible has much to say about the coming kingdom of God which will be manifest right here on earth. I am going to give you a very good example of this from the second psalm. The reason why I am choosing this psalm is because much of it is interpreted for us in the New Testament, so we can know, of a certainty, what it actually means.
Psa 2:1
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psa 2:2
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Here, we are told of a four-party conspiracy against the LORD, and against his anointed, and the four co-conspirators are the heathen, the people, the kings of the earth, and the rulers. We find the proper interpretation of these verses in the New Testament.
Act 4:24
And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
Act 4:25
Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
Act 4:26
The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Act 4:27
For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Act 4:28
For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
In the opening verses of the second psalm, David, under Divine inspiration, foretold of the time when Herod (the kings of the earth), Pontius Pilate (the rulers), the Gentiles (the heathen), and the people of Israel (the people) gathered together against the Lord (God the Father), and against his Christ (Jesus), or of the time when they took part together in his crucifixion. If you are wondering exactly who the Gentiles were, then Jesus told us who they were here:
Mat 20:18
Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
Mat 20:19
And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
The Gentiles who mocked, scourged, and crucified Jesus were the Roman soldiers. Here is how God responded to the four co-conspirators who crucified Christ.
Psa 2:4
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Psa 2:5
Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Psa 2:6
Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
After laughing at them derisively, God told them that Jesus will still be his set king upon his holy hill of Zion or upon Mt. Zion in Jerusalem. How can the crucified Jesus yet be God's set king at a future point in time? Just keep reading.
Psa 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Here, Jesus is heard declaring the decree of the LORD, or the decree of God the Father, and that decree is that Jesus is his Son who will be begotten on a specific day in time, and the New Testament plainly tells us exactly what this means. Here is an excerpt of a sermon that the Apostle Paul preached.
Act 13:32
And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
Act 13:33
God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
While quoting directly from Psalm 2:7, Paul said that it was a promise which was made unto the fathers or forefathers which was fulfilled on the day when God raised Jesus from the dead, or on the day when Jesus was begotten. The conversation between God the Father and Jesus continued in the next two verses of the second psalm.
Psa 2:8
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Here, God the Father told Jesus to ask of him, and he would give him the heathen, or the nations, for his inheritance. We, as joint-heirs with Christ (Rom. 8:17), will share this inheritance with Jesus at his second coming, and it will be shared right here on earth which is where these nations will be. Do not miss the part about Jesus breaking the nations with a rod of iron, and dashing them in pieces like a potter's vessel, because we are given the proper interpretation of this in the New Testament.
Rev 2:24
But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
Rev 2:25
But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Here, Jesus told the saints in Thyatira to hold fast to that which they had already received of him until he comes, or until his second coming. He went on to tell those who would overcome and keep his works unto the end that they would be given power over the nations at his second coming, and that they would rule them with a rod of iron, while breaking them to shivers like the vessels of a potter, even as he received of his Father back in Psalm 2:8-9. Again, this is Christ's inheritance, and this is the true inheritance of all joint-heirs with Christ (Rom. 8:17). You told me in a previous response that you believe that the events recorded in Revelation chapter 19 are yet future events (and I agree), so pay close attention to what is said here:
Rev 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Here, Jesus is seen returning as the KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS, and he is returning so that he might rule the nations with the very same rod of iron that we read about in Psalm 2:8-9. Of course, if we were to continue reading straight through Revelation chapter 20, then we would get a very good glimpse into the coming Millennial Reign of Christ, right here on earth, where this will all ultimately be fulfilled.
I ran out of space, so please keep reading in my next post.
Psa 2:1
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psa 2:2
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Here, we are told of a four-party conspiracy against the LORD, and against his anointed, and the four co-conspirators are the heathen, the people, the kings of the earth, and the rulers. We find the proper interpretation of these verses in the New Testament.
Act 4:24
And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
Act 4:25
Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
Act 4:26
The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Act 4:27
For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Act 4:28
For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
In the opening verses of the second psalm, David, under Divine inspiration, foretold of the time when Herod (the kings of the earth), Pontius Pilate (the rulers), the Gentiles (the heathen), and the people of Israel (the people) gathered together against the Lord (God the Father), and against his Christ (Jesus), or of the time when they took part together in his crucifixion. If you are wondering exactly who the Gentiles were, then Jesus told us who they were here:
Mat 20:18
Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
Mat 20:19
And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
The Gentiles who mocked, scourged, and crucified Jesus were the Roman soldiers. Here is how God responded to the four co-conspirators who crucified Christ.
Psa 2:4
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Psa 2:5
Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Psa 2:6
Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
After laughing at them derisively, God told them that Jesus will still be his set king upon his holy hill of Zion or upon Mt. Zion in Jerusalem. How can the crucified Jesus yet be God's set king at a future point in time? Just keep reading.
Psa 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Here, Jesus is heard declaring the decree of the LORD, or the decree of God the Father, and that decree is that Jesus is his Son who will be begotten on a specific day in time, and the New Testament plainly tells us exactly what this means. Here is an excerpt of a sermon that the Apostle Paul preached.
Act 13:32
And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
Act 13:33
God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
While quoting directly from Psalm 2:7, Paul said that it was a promise which was made unto the fathers or forefathers which was fulfilled on the day when God raised Jesus from the dead, or on the day when Jesus was begotten. The conversation between God the Father and Jesus continued in the next two verses of the second psalm.
Psa 2:8
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Here, God the Father told Jesus to ask of him, and he would give him the heathen, or the nations, for his inheritance. We, as joint-heirs with Christ (Rom. 8:17), will share this inheritance with Jesus at his second coming, and it will be shared right here on earth which is where these nations will be. Do not miss the part about Jesus breaking the nations with a rod of iron, and dashing them in pieces like a potter's vessel, because we are given the proper interpretation of this in the New Testament.
Rev 2:24
But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
Rev 2:25
But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Here, Jesus told the saints in Thyatira to hold fast to that which they had already received of him until he comes, or until his second coming. He went on to tell those who would overcome and keep his works unto the end that they would be given power over the nations at his second coming, and that they would rule them with a rod of iron, while breaking them to shivers like the vessels of a potter, even as he received of his Father back in Psalm 2:8-9. Again, this is Christ's inheritance, and this is the true inheritance of all joint-heirs with Christ (Rom. 8:17). You told me in a previous response that you believe that the events recorded in Revelation chapter 19 are yet future events (and I agree), so pay close attention to what is said here:
Rev 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Here, Jesus is seen returning as the KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS, and he is returning so that he might rule the nations with the very same rod of iron that we read about in Psalm 2:8-9. Of course, if we were to continue reading straight through Revelation chapter 20, then we would get a very good glimpse into the coming Millennial Reign of Christ, right here on earth, where this will all ultimately be fulfilled.
I ran out of space, so please keep reading in my next post.
Let's quickly close out the second psalm.
Psa 2:10
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11
Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Do not miss the "therefore." In other words, in light of the fact that the crucified Christ will yet be God's appointed king upon Mt. Zion in Jerusalem at his second coming, and in light of the fact that both he and the saints will rule over the nations with a rod of iron at that time, the kings and judges of the earth are instructed to serve the LORD with fear, to rejoice with trembling, and to kiss the Son (Jesus) lest he be angry against them and they should perish when his wrath is kindled but a little at his return. I hope that you can plainly see this.
Psa 2:10
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11
Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Do not miss the "therefore." In other words, in light of the fact that the crucified Christ will yet be God's appointed king upon Mt. Zion in Jerusalem at his second coming, and in light of the fact that both he and the saints will rule over the nations with a rod of iron at that time, the kings and judges of the earth are instructed to serve the LORD with fear, to rejoice with trembling, and to kiss the Son (Jesus) lest he be angry against them and they should perish when his wrath is kindled but a little at his return. I hope that you can plainly see this.