Yeah, the thing about anti-vaxxers is they're actually proud of how stupid they are.
It's a waste of time trying to reason with them
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It's a waste of time trying to reason with them
https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1866583129106035022
“Hundreds of deadly virus samples have vanished from an Australian lab in a 'major breach' of biosecurity. Yesterday, Queensland Health Minister Tim Nicholls has announced that 323 vials of live viruses are now unaccounted for. These include nearly 100 vials of hendra virus, two vials of hantavirus, and 223 vials of lyssavirus - all of which are extremely deadly for humans.”
“Hundreds of deadly virus samples have vanished from an Australian lab in a 'major breach' of biosecurity. Yesterday, Queensland Health Minister Tim Nicholls has announced that 323 vials of live viruses are now unaccounted for. These include nearly 100 vials of hendra virus, two vials of hantavirus, and 223 vials of lyssavirus - all of which are extremely deadly for humans.”
Wow...just wow.
I myself am an antivaxxer, having done all my own research thru the years. To a certain point I'm anti-doctor.
The reason? Most doctors are taught by professors who have been paid by the pharmaceutical companies.
It is almost illegal(some states it is) for a doctor to prescribe a proven herb remedy for ANYTHING. This was done originally by the AMA.
I don't parrot other antivaxxers. I use the Berean example to prove first what has been told me is true.
So far, what you've said hasn't proven anything, so I don't believe a word you say, neither will argue with you at all.
Have a nice day.
I read what you wrote and I considered it.
But it is not my job to prove there is something unsafe or ineffective about the vaccine. It is their job to prove that it is safe and effective. Not only is it their job it is the law that they must provide this information from their studies to everyone who is mandated to take their experimental vaccine. They did not provide that information. That makes the mandate illegal. I don't have to know why they behaved illegally to not want to have anything to do with them.
You are a blowhard. 52 billion times you say the same thing like a broken record and never address the issue.
1. Did they provide all the relevant information about the experimental vaccine to those who were given the shot? No.
2. Was that against the law? Yes.
That is all I need to know to know they are criminals that I don't want anything to do with.
Of course there is more. Did they behave like cult members driving around in their car with their mask on? Yes. Were they slanderous accusing me and others of being anti vaxx when I had all my shots and so did my wife and kids? Yes. Were they insulting accusing me of being anti science when I have multiple degrees in science from elite universities and have taught it for ten years, whereas most of these people insulting me failed their HS science class or did poorly in it? Yes. Is there any reason why I should listen to you or them? No.
I had Covid in 2020 and because I recovered from it that meant I had immunity, so I asked why do I need the vaccine?
Did they ever answer that question? No.
Did they ever lie and make false claims? Yes.
1. They said it was safe and effective but offered no scientific proof that could be verified that this was in fact true. Simply an unsubstantiated claim that constitutes a form of deceit.
2. They said that getting the shot would reduce your chance of spreading the disease. Again, no scientific proof that could be independently verified to prove that was true and since then it has been shown to be false based on the statistics.
Thank you for consistently showing us what a position diametrically opposed to the truth looks like, perhaps you do have a positive function here after all?
At this point in His unfolding redemptive plan seems we are either an example the process of being conformed to the image of the Son, or how we have failed in this.
Do you ever take what you anything to Him, as He requires, before you post?
best wishes anyway,
We should all remember the lies
We were told that the virus came from a bat cave to a wet market through a pangolin. That was a lie. At this point the overwhelming evidence points to it coming from the Wuhan bioweapons lab and there is no evidence given so far to support the claim of a bat cave and pangolin. The question for me is not proving beyond a reasonable doubt that it came from the bioweapons lab because I am not in a position to do that. The question for me is why would anyone claim vehemently something that was false, something that had no evidence of having taken place? They weren't simply insistent about the wet market, they attacked anyone who said it was the bioweapons lab as being nuts, cuckoo, and xenophobic.
Don't forget they wrote a letter from a whole bunch of "respected" scientists. Why would a real scientist make this claim without any evidence backing it up? None.
Second, we had an experimental vaccine. All scientists are taught to be skeptical, to ask questions, to "trust but verify". Yet when anyone asked questions or asked for proof they were shouted down, ridiculed, insulted, blackballed, censored, canceled and fired. That should make anyone ask what is going on.
Fauci lied as well. Pretty much about everything.
When people lie to you that should be a blaring red light alarm to everyone.
We were told that the virus came from a bat cave to a wet market through a pangolin. That was a lie. At this point the overwhelming evidence points to it coming from the Wuhan bioweapons lab and there is no evidence given so far to support the claim of a bat cave and pangolin. The question for me is not proving beyond a reasonable doubt that it came from the bioweapons lab because I am not in a position to do that. The question for me is why would anyone claim vehemently something that was false, something that had no evidence of having taken place? They weren't simply insistent about the wet market, they attacked anyone who said it was the bioweapons lab as being nuts, cuckoo, and xenophobic.
Don't forget they wrote a letter from a whole bunch of "respected" scientists. Why would a real scientist make this claim without any evidence backing it up? None.
Second, we had an experimental vaccine. All scientists are taught to be skeptical, to ask questions, to "trust but verify". Yet when anyone asked questions or asked for proof they were shouted down, ridiculed, insulted, blackballed, censored, canceled and fired. That should make anyone ask what is going on.
Fauci lied as well. Pretty much about everything.
When people lie to you that should be a blaring red light alarm to everyone.
Would you not need to possess reason yourself in order to reason with another?
Therein lies the rub?
I don't know why I keep having to repeat this but the data is the only thing that's relevant here. And the data is clear that most people who take the vaccines have no issues
The majority of the world's population had at least one dose, so if it's as deadly as you claim, you would expect to see morgues full of dead bodies from vaccines and that's not happening
The data is also clear that the virus did not come from the wet market and a pangolin, that was a lie.
The evidence is also clear that the virus almost certainly came from the Wuhan bioweapons lab and the only reason we have to say "almost" is because China and others won't share data that would absolutely confirm it. Another lie.
The evidence is also clear that the vaccine was not more effective than people who recovered from the disease at conferring immunity and so that was a lie.
The evidence is also clear that 17 million people would say that it was not safe. Whether or not that is an acceptable number is not the question. The question is were the people who were given the shot given all the relevant data from the research at the time to make an informed decision and the answer is no. Hence the vaccine mandate violated the law and was criminal.
Not only so but quite a few people, including a close friend, have won multi million dollar lawsuits over being fired for not taking the vaccine. No doubt all those people being sued (in his case it was a hospital) provided whatever exculpatory evidence they could and a reasonable judge concluded they violated his rights in firing him.
As for how many times do we need to repeat this, I don't know, I'll keep repeating the facts as long as you want.
Fauci was a liar. People who mindlessly followed his advice behaved in a way that was cultic. Because of his advice 17 million people are now dead. The mandate was illegal. The drug companies have never provided evidence that confirms their claim that the vaccine is safe and effective, and so they lied about that.
There are a lot of lessons to be learned here about not trusting people wearing white coats, doing your own due diligence, avoiding anyone who is a liar, and avoiding Dude. But for me the biggest lesson is this:
Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Marcus Lamb's death highlights Christian media's vaccine ...
CNN
https://www.cnn.com › 2021/12/05 › business › christia...
Dec 5, 2021 — Marcus Lamb, who made an anti-vax stance his crusade, died Thursday after being hospitalized for Covid-19.
I'm not here to argue but just placing a factual case, and not only CNN but many news outlets carried this story. He was founder of DayStar Christian TV for yrs.
CNN
https://www.cnn.com › 2021/12/05 › business › christia...
Dec 5, 2021 — Marcus Lamb, who made an anti-vax stance his crusade, died Thursday after being hospitalized for Covid-19.
I'm not here to argue but just placing a factual case, and not only CNN but many news outlets carried this story. He was founder of DayStar Christian TV for yrs.
Yeah I get. There was some shady stuff that happened but the numbers don't lie. Vaccines help more people than hurt.
It also makes you about 10 times less likely to die of covid if you happen to be infected
Also, I know we've had the same conversation 57 trillion times but it's an mnra vaccine which is based on decades-old technology which is why they were able to produce it quickly
No. Every time I bring up someone who dies after being vaxxed I am told that is anecdotal and not enough to prove a point. Well the same goes here. Not getting the vaccine does not somehow mean you will never get Covid or that you will never die.
Evidence would be to compare the death rate among those who are vaccinated with those who aren't. As it turns out people have done that comparison and it proves that the vaccine is not effective, on the contrary, you are more likely to get sick and more likely to die if you get the vaccine.
You are now the one being shady. You don't dismiss lies and criminal behavior as "some shady stuff". I don't care if you got the vaccine. I am happy for everyone who did not die after getting the vaccine and that includes many of my relatives.
My issue is that I was forced out of my job as was my wife because we refused the vaccine and the people doing that lied to us and behaved in a criminal fashion.
The bottom line is I did not need the vaccine, my wife did not need it, we have no regrets in not getting it, and yet we were insulted, slandered and forced out of our jobs illegally.
You justify 1.5 billion settlement over Alex Jones because some guy had to move ten times. Well, we had to give up our jobs, sell our house and move too. Now you simply dismiss that as "some shady stuff"?
All of these stats have been posted here. If you don't have time to search these threads for the stats then I certainly am not interested in doing that work for you.
No -- the fact that someone who did not get the vaccine died is not proof of anything. Just as the fact that someone who did get the vaccine died is not proof of anything. However, if you can compare millions of people who got the vaccine with millions who didn't then statistical evidence is evidence.
There are others who are more interested in this topic, I think Cv5 and PennEd might be. Once I had the evidence that confirmed my suspicions I was happy to move on. That said I do know a few years back this was a hot topic of discussion and I did follow it closely. When people were still making a choice of whether or not to get the shot I thought this was a very interesting topic. But now, everyone has made their choice, I have no interest in telling someone they made the wrong choice. That is between them and the Lord.
mrna has NEVER worked . Dr. David E. Martin has exposed the fallacy that it ever did.
mRNA tech is nothing new.
The companies have plenty of data from it killing lab animals
You called another brother a clown
'Freely He gave and freely you don't'.Regarding my post and your response #56, you could have simply copied your post with the stats you say you posted. Since starting to go through the retorts on here, as usual the childish banter nauseated me. I looked up info regarding deaths from the vax and deaths w/o the vax. What's your guess which scored the most deaths? I'm not saying no one did not die from the vax but stats show way more people perished w/o the vax. The people in both my small groups got the vax that I know of, so at least 1-3? should be in heaven by now?