Understanding God’s election

[rogerg]

Shirely U. Jest with such a question.

Yes, but please don't call me Shirley (lol)

 

[Intersection]

Why did God create those He had foreknown would not be of the elect?

 

[Genez]

God saves those who meet the demands of his gospel. Anyone who doesn't is guilty of sin and will be judged as such. But you have a different gospel, do you? Where is it? Why are you keeping it hidden from us?

What is the demand of the Gospel?

Acts 16:31!

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved."​

Too simple for you?

 

[rogerg]

In the immutable nature of God.
He does not change.

You may figure it out someday...
With tears running down your cheeks.

So..,, you don't have any verses?

 

[Genez]

So..,, you don't have any verses?

They would be wasted on you....

Some people are what I have learned to call "spiritual nymphomaniacs."

Nymphomaniacs have never ending desire, yet, simultaneously can never achieve satisfaction.

 

[Intersection]

What is the demand of the Gospel?

Acts 16:31!

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved."​

Too simple for you?

Maybe there is some hope for those not of the elect. Could it be that those not of the elect will not get saved until they believe Jesus Christ as the elect do?

 

[rogerg]

They would be wasted on you....

Some people are what I have learned to call "spiritual nymphomaniacs."

Nymphomaniacs have never ending desire, yet, simultaneously can never achieve satisfaction.

Yeah, that was pretty silly of me wasn't it - to ask that bizarre statements be confirmed by scripture? What the heck is wrong with me anyway?

 

[Inquisitor]

Being under law is being under law. Observe the "For" in verse 14. It continues verse 12.

[Rom 2:12-14 KJV]
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

What are the 'things contained in the law'?

 

[Magenta]

Scripture says this:

DT 30:19, “This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.”

MT 23:37, “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.”

JN 3:16, “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

1TM 2:3b-4, “God our Savior wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.”

Thus, those who choose death, curses, not to be gathered, not to believe in Jesus, and not learn the Gospel truth and be saved are accountable for that choice and will reap the just consequence for their evil in hell. This view harmonizes God's all-lovingness with His omnipotence, which yours does not--beginning with a false choice between death and curses.

Like I said: try being honest.

 

[Genez]

Maybe there is some hope for those not of the elect. Could it be that those not of the elect will not get saved until they believe Jesus Christ as the elect do?

I am not sure what some believe the word "elect" means.

I will use its common use we understand today.

God does not vote for you to believe.
God votes for you because He knows you would believe.

 

[Magenta]

Yeah, that was pretty silly of me wasn't it - to ask that bizarre statements
be confirmed by scripture? What the heck is wrong with me anyway?

You musta thought you were somewhere else... .

 

[Genez]

Yeah, that was pretty silly of me wasn't it - to ask that bizarre statements be confirmed by scripture? What the heck is wrong with me anyway?

You should know it by now.....

The fact that you do not?
Means you are always looking elsewhere.

 

[rogerg]

What are the 'things contained in the law'?

Their attempt to earn righteousness.

 

[rogerg]

You should know it by now.....

The fact that you do not?
Means you are always looking elsewhere.

Take a step back, think about your reply some more, and when you can get it to make sense, come back and we can try again,

 

[Inquisitor]

I don't follow your point. God has the power to save anyone He wishes to save at any time He decides to,
in the womb or born. Salvation is by God, not man.

.

 

[rogerg]

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Did you hit post reply too soon - nothing there?

 

[Inquisitor]

Did you hit post reply too soon - nothing there?

No, I have some things to do today.

 

[rogerg]

No, I have some things to do today.

Okay - you posted a reply with nothing in it, just my post.

 

[Rufus]

Well, truly we have jumped the shark on this thread.

Now the Calvinites are casting babies into the lake of fire.

No doubt this madness was going to come out in due time inevitably.

Give me your biblical alternative to the gospel. Show me from scripture where God universally pardons deceased babies. Genez says it's all based on God's omniscience, but he hasn't backed that up with scripture either. (The best he can do is magically transform the personal pronoun "whom" into the impersonal pronoun "what" in Rom 8:29.) Lots of conjecture and speculation and theories are getting bounced around, but no solid biblical evidence has been brought forth.

All the sons of men of all ages are guilty before a thrice Holy God by virtue of their relationship to their federal head Adam, since EVERYONE was in Adam's loins and, therefore, participated in his sin.

 

[Rufus]

Cold logic allows for such conclusions.

Just as, cold logic is the means to accept TULIP.

Cold, hard logic beats red hot, passionate zeal that is without knowledge.