The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

[brightfame52]

Christs death accomplishment is that those He died for will live unto righteousness, because His death for them causes them to be dead to sin 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

How do they live unto righteousness ? By Faith in Christ who is their righteousness Rom 1:16-17; 1 Cor 1:30

 

[brightfame52]

Christs death accomplishment is that those He died for He reconciled them to God ! Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 76

 

[brightfame52]

It made us free from sin !

Rom 6:16-22

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

The redemptive death of Christ accomplished for all whom Christ died, a being set free from sin, and being made a servant to God.

This simply means that the redemptive death of Christ sets us free from the prison if unbelief and causes us to become believers in Christ. When we become believers, we become true servants to God.

Jesus by His redemtive death sets us free from unbelief or being servants of sin Jn 8:36

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed

The word free here is the same word for free in Rom 6:22 Paul uses. So Paul and Jesus are in agreement here. Its the word eleutheroō and means:

1. set at liberty: from the dominion of sin, to be set free from another's control

This is needed because by nature all are under the control if the devil as per Eph 2:2-3

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation[manner of life] in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

That was our manner of life or conversation by nature, no exceptions. But as Peter writes, Christs Blood redeemed us from this vain conversation or manner of life 1 Pet 1:18-19

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Were not for the redeeming death of Christ, no one would be set free from sin/unbelief and become a believer, or a servant of God, so God in Christ must have the Glory for becoming a believer, and not the so called freewill or decision of man, who by nature is a spiritually dead, satanic controlled slave to sin and unbelief. 77

 

[brightfame52]

Atonement was effectually performed by Christ on the tree Jn 19:30

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

And its effectually activated by Christ on His Throne Heb 7:25

5 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

John 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

 

[brightfame52]

Col 1:22 To present Holy and Unblamable !

Col 1:21-22

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Another intended purpose for the death of Christ and accomplishment, for all that He died, is to present them Holy, unblameable and unreproveable in His Sight !

Notice it was to present #1 Unblameable ἄμωμος =

without blemish

a) as a sacrifice without spot or blemish

2) morally: without blemish, faultless, unblameable

But thats not all, its to present # 2 unreproveable anegklētos =

that cannot be called into to account, unreproveable, unaccused, blameless

Its the meaning that Paul has in mind here Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Its the same word. You see God never laid any charge to the account of His Elect !

And Holy !

But all this is in His Sight, though it may not be True to experience here in the flesh, nevertheless for Him to see His People like that in His Sight is because of the Imputed Righteousness of Christ laid to their account.

Now if this does not occur for each one He reconciled to God by the Death of His Son Rom 5:10;Col 1:21, then His Death failed God's intended purpose !​

Not only was the death of Christ the accomplishment of Gods purpose to bring the elect Holy and Unblamable before God , in His sight, but it was also the intended purpose of their election in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

So Gods election and Christs redemptive death are in perfect agreement !

 

[brightfame52]

The atonement is the work of Jesus Christ on the cross by which He finished the work of His perfect sinless, righteous life, made and end to the debt of our[The elect] sin, placated Gods thrice holy wrath against us, and gained for us all the benefits/blessings of salvation. f

 

[brightfame52]

Must be made alive to God !

Since Christs death put away the wages of sin which is death for them He died for, and being dead to God by nature, its just that they should be made alive to God, which is eternal life Jn 17:2-3

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

This is the Gift of God through Jesus Christ verses the wages of sin Rom 6:23,11

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[GWH]

Rom 5:11

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus christ.

Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.

The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.

Too bad God did not provide all of that to A&E and save the world from a long history of grief!

 

[Iconoclast]

Too bad God did not provide all of that to A&E and save the world from a long history of grief!

Do you think you have a better plan than God?
God is perfect in every way.

 

[GWH]

Do you think you have a better plan than God?
God is perfect in every way.

I think my understanding of God's POS is better than yours, if you think God could have elected everyone but elected not to do so in order to let all of humanity suffer for a while/history and most of it for eternity, through no fault of their own--because they were unable to choose to have saving faith.

 

[homwardbound]

The atonement is the work of Jesus Christ on the cross by which He finished the work of His perfect sinless, righteous life, made and end to the debt of our[The elect] sin, placated Gods thrice holy wrath against us, and gained for us all the benefits/blessings of salvation. f

life everlasting given us by Father in risen Son Jesus the two as One (Won) for us the people to be at rest even if in any adversity presently or past, as well as could be again in future too, while here on earth in flesh and blood. Reckoning self dead to the first birth daily, Romans 6, thanks

 

[Iconoclast]

I think my understanding of God's POS is better than yours, if you think God could have elected everyone but elected not to do so in order to let all of humanity suffer for a while/history and most of it for eternity, through no fault of their own--because they were unable to choose to have saving faith.

Do you understand what the bible reveals about the Fall into sin and death?

From your post I would say You have missed it! You like many others seek to blame God for mans sin...it cannot happen my friend!

 

[GWH]

Do you understand what the bible reveals about the Fall into sin and death?

From your post I would say You have missed it! You like many others seek to blame God for mans sin...it cannot happen my friend!

I say that MFW only exists when there is the possibility of choosing between two qualitatively opposite moral options that we call good and evil. These options are opposites because of essentially different consequences for choosing them. Choosing good results in blessing, life and heaven; and choosing evil results in cursing, death and hell (DT 30:19). This is why hell as well as heaven exists. It is the just consequence for choosing evil rather than God.

And YOU say that the choice is between life and blessing for the elect and between death and cursing for doing evil? THAT is missing what GW says!

God created theoretical evil or the possibility of rejecting Him (eating the forbidden fruit) as an option that actualizes MFW/free human personality. As such it is necessary and even good (GN 1:31). Of course, it was wrong for Satan (GN 3:1&4, 1JN 3:8) and humanity (GN 3:6, RM 5:12) to make evil actual by choosing to Sin or reject Faith in God’s Lordship/God’s Word. And when souls sin or do NOT choose to love God freely, it is perfectly just (loving and logical) for them to reap the appropriate consequence (GL 6:7-9) or hell.

And YOU say that there is no possibility of rejecting God for the elect or for cooperating with GW for the damned, so whose belief blames God for that? Not MINE!

 

[Iconoclast]

I think my understanding of God's POS is better than yours, if you think God could have elected everyone but elected not to do so in order to let all of humanity suffer for a while/history and most of it for eternity, through no fault of their own--because they were unable to choose to have saving faith.

You cannot invent a god who does what you think He should do. God who is perfect in all His Holy attributes, has planned to save all he can, in His perfect and Holy wisdom and justice. He cannot save one more, or one less.

 

[homwardbound]

Do you understand what the bible reveals about the Fall into sin and death?

From your post I would say You have missed it! You like many others seek to blame God for mans sin...it cannot happen my friend!

Tell me. so I am sure from whose post, you write this, thank you

 

[Iconoclast]

Tell me. so I am sure from whose post, you write this, thank you

it was from GWH...the last ten posts

 

[HeIsHere]

I think my understanding of God's POS is better than yours, if you think God could have elected everyone but elected not to do so in order to let all of humanity suffer for a while/history and most of it for eternity, through no fault of their own--because they were unable to choose to have saving faith.

It is indeed better and true!

 

[PaulThomson]

... you espouse universalism:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


since we know from Scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ came to take away the sin of the whole world ...

then what you are saying is that no descendant of Adam "can have any charge laid against them".





Scripture does not say sin is "imputed". Scripture plainly tells us that all mankind has sinned and come short of the glory of God ...

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God


Scripture plainly tells us it is righteousness that is imputed to those who believe:

Romans 4:20-25

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


Do you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, brightfame52? ... is the Lord Jesus Christ the Lord in your life ...

Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
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22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

Your interpretation of this makes no sense. The referent of the pronoun "It" is not "righteousness". Paul is not saying, "And therefore righteousness was imputed to him for righteousness.

The referent is "Abraham believed God".

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

That Abraham believed God was able to perform His promise was reckoned to Abraham as a righteous thing to do. It was not a work (ergon) because that word "ergon" implies that effort (ergs) is expended in believing. There is no effort in faith. Faith is rest and surrender.

 

[GWH]

You cannot invent a god who does what you think He should do. God who is perfect in all His Holy attributes, has planned to save all he can, in His perfect and Holy wisdom and justice. He cannot save one more, or one less.

Amen to that, although it does not address what I had said, which was that if the atonement provides "Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever", it is "Too bad God did not provide all of that to A&E and save the world from a long history of grief!"

A proper response to that would have been either: 1. By a Calvinist - that is true, or 2. By a volitionist - God did, and does (JN 3:16, 1TM 2:3-4), which is called grace, but sinners must accept it by (non-meritorious) persevering faith (EPH 2:8-9, HB 10:36). I do!

 

[homwardbound]

Tell me. so I am sure from whose post, you write this, thank you

okay, please post any quorf

it was from GWH...the last ten posts

I have not ever blamed God for any sin from through anyone
However, you have conjectured I have, love you no matter God;s way, thank you
God loves us all, not in the way flesh itself understands, Flesh does not please God as I know this myself, after years and years under Law first. Now I uphold the Law as good and perfect in love and mercy to all
Have a great day, thanks