Understanding God’s election

[Cameron143]

Nice time machine you have...
All the way back to a time before Noah's flood, I see.

That spoke of a time when fallen angels were intermingling with men and corrupting them in ways that were supercharged.
Try looking at the context once more, please.

Genesis 6

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God ​

went in to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, ​

men of renown.​

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5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and ​

that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time​

Keywords? "had become."
It says they became something.
Why?
Because, something was influencing them!...


Thank you, Lord!

In order for your view to be right, angels would have to be able to reproduce after another kind. Explain how that is possible since things only reproduce after their own kind.
I'm not sure of your overall point. Can you, in the simplest of terms make it again?

 

[Genez]

Correct! And that's because election doesn't depend on the man who will or runs -- but on God who has mercy! God's personal "favorite" in election is his His own beloved Son whom He predestined to be the Federal Head of all his chosen people.

One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Jesus was predestined to the Lord over all his chosen people.

In the OT Jesus was Lord over Israel.
In the Church age, Jesus is Lord over His body, the Church.

It all depended upon how God predestined the time you are you be born, as to which chosen people you would find yourself when you chose to believe. With God knowing, you would choose to believe. God did not predestine us to believe. But, predestined us as to what we would find ourselves involved with after we believed.

Not all were chosen in Him before the foundations of the earth to be His Bride - the church.
Other humans were predestined to be alive in other dispensations, outside the church,
according to how, God predetermining they would live in eternity.

There will be a new heaven and a new earth.
God has predetermined who will live where!

 

[Genez]

In order for your view to be right, angels would have to be able to reproduce after another kind. Explain how that is possible since things only reproduce after their own kind.
I'm not sure of your overall point. Can you, in the simplest of terms make it again?

We have cross-breeding with animals today... as long as they are close enough in their genetics.

Angels are reported in the Bible to look just like men when in their materialized state.

 

[Rufus]

One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Jesus was predestined to the Lord over all his chosen people.

In the OT Jesus was Lord over Israel.
In the Church age, Jesus is Lord over His body, the Church.

It all depended upon how God predestined the time you are you be born, as to which chosen people you would find yourself when you chose to believe. With God knowing, you would choose to believe. God did not predestine us to believe. But, predestined us as to what we would find ourselves involved with after we believed.

Not all were chosen in Him before the foundations of the earth to be His Bride - the church.
Other humans were predestined to be alive in other dispensations, outside the church,
according to how, God predetermining they would live in eternity.

There will be a new heaven and a new earth.
God has predetermined who will live where!

God has only one people. But you want to ignore this New Covenant age in which we're in. And all humanity, at the end of this age, will spend eternity in God's newly restored earth. Your dispensationalism is as bad as your heretical soteriology.

 

[Inquisitor]

I concur. But He did choose. The reason there are no favorites is because the choices was made independent of the consideration of those chosen. God merely chose according to His good pleasure.

He chose and of course He did, Cameron.

Though the choice is more a national choice by God as Israel was severed from Christ.

As for individual election, 'many are called but few are chosen'.

The whole point of the letter of the Romans was a detailed description of the failure
of the nation of Israel. The elect nation was hardened by God, severed, grafted out.

Please resist quoting from Romans to support the idea that someone is destined to
become a Christian. Israel has a red light but the Gentile nations have the green light.

Paul is not discussing a personal, individual election, in the letter to the Romans.

At the national level God does not take sides.

At the personal level God, once again, does not show favoritism.

To imagine that God would choose the Inquisitor and pass over Cameron, though on the
surface. That seems to be the case, that God is demonstrating an extraordinary favoritism
towards the Inquisitor. It is simply not true Cameron.

 

[Inquisitor]

We have cross-breeding with animals today... as long as they are close enough in their genetics.

Angels are reported in the Bible to look just like men when in their materialized state.

Angels do not reproduce because angels are not a species, they are spiritual entities.

 

[Cameron143]

Restricted by what?

For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit ​

what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, ​

so that you are not to do whatever you want. Galatians 5:17​

If the influence of your flesh over your soul could be detained?
Would you then be made free to make better decisions?

Yes, but without addressing the underlying problem, the disinclination towards God would simply return. So unless you deal with the root of the problem, your solution is temporary.

This is why God didn't let Adam eat of the Tree of Life after sinning. He would live forever in an estate hostile towards God.

 

[Cameron143]

We have cross-breeding with animals today... as long as they are close enough in their genetics.

Angels are reported in the Bible to look just like men when in their materialized state.

It doesn't say they possess the ability to reproduce with man. That's supposition.

 

[Inquisitor]

God has only one people. But you want to ignore this New Covenant age in which we're in. And all humanity, at the end of this age, will spend eternity in God's newly restored earth. Your dispensationalism is as bad as your heretical soteriology.

In the O.T Israel was elect, chosen, above all other nations.

In the N.T there is a transition from Israel to the Gentile nations.

During Christ's lifetime and for years after Israel was the focus.

Then the gospel was delivered to the Gentile nations.

In Christ, that difference between the Jew and Gentile is non existent, that is the spiritual reality.

In the world there is a tremendous difference between Jew and Gentile.

In the scripture Paul said the Jews have the priority.

 

[Inquisitor]

Yes, but without addressing the underlying problem, the disinclination towards God would simply return. So unless you deal with the root of the problem, your solution is temporary.

This is why God didn't let Adam eat of the Tree of Life after sinning. He would live forever in an estate hostile towards God.

What about eating of the fruit of the tree in the center of the garden, before he disobeyed?

What does that tree mean in the real sense?

 

[GWH]

In the O.T Israel was elect, chosen, above all other nations.

In the N.T there is a transition from Israel to the Gentile nations.

During Christ's lifetime and for years after Israel was the focus.

Then the gospel was delivered to the Gentile nations.

In Christ, that difference between the Jew and Gentile is non existent, that is the spiritual reality.

In the world there is a tremendous difference between Jew and Gentile.

In the scripture Paul said the Jews have the priority.

Maybe we should say the Jews are first among equals?

 

[Cameron143]

He chose and of course He did, Cameron.

Though the choice is more a national choice by God as Israel was severed from Christ.

As for individual election, 'many are called but few are chosen'.

The whole point of the letter of the Romans was a detailed description of the failure
of the nation of Israel. The elect nation was hardened by God, severed, grafted out.

Please resist quoting from Romans to support the idea that someone is destined to
become a Christian. Israel has a red light but the Gentile nations have the green light.

Paul is not discussing a personal, individual election, in the letter to the Romans.

At the national level God does not take sides.

At the personal level God, once again, does not show favoritism.

To imagine that God would choose the Inquisitor and pass over Cameron, though on the
surface. That seems to be the case, that God is demonstrating an extraordinary favoritism
towards the Inquisitor. It is simply not true Cameron.

I disagree with your premise on the book of Romans. Israel's failure is not all that is in view.
You also equate favoritism with not being able to choose. The Bible doesn't speak to the issue of favoritism. It says God is no respecter of persons. This doesn't mean He must make every choice so that there are equal outcomes. That is DEI garbage. It simply means what I stated in the previous post...God chooses based not on anything concerning an individual, but according to His good pleasure.

 

[Inquisitor]

I think the identity of God's Elect chosen before the foundation of this world says different.

Your advertising that God is partial when God is demonstrating no favoritism whatsoever, to
any individual.

How can you say that God creates some saved and the bulk are damned to suffer for eternity?

That is a crazy thought pattern to entertain.

A perfect God creates a non level playing field?

 

[Inquisitor]

Maybe we should say the Jews are first among equals?

Paul always went to the Jews first.

Paul was a Jewish patriot.

 

[Cameron143]

What about eating of the fruit of the tree in the center of the garden, before he disobeyed?

What does that tree mean in the real sense?

It means eternal life lies outside of man.

 

[Cameron143]

In the O.T Israel was elect, chosen, above all other nations.

In the N.T there is a transition from Israel to the Gentile nations.

During Christ's lifetime and for years after Israel was the focus.

Then the gospel was delivered to the Gentile nations.

In Christ, that difference between the Jew and Gentile is non existent, that is the spiritual reality.

In the world there is a tremendous difference between Jew and Gentile.

In the scripture Paul said the Jews have the priority.

Not priority. First in time.

 

[Inquisitor]

It means eternal life lies outside of man.

Can you elaborate?

I would understand that tree in the center was the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Therefore, the tree was the promise, in other words, Adam could never have eaten from that tree.

 

[Inquisitor]

Not priority. First in time.

No again, Jews first.

 

[Cameron143]

Can you elaborate?

I would understand that tree in the center was the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Therefore, the tree was the promise, in other words, Adam could never have eaten from that tree.

Eternal life must come through Christ, but it was only necessary through the cross once sin entered in. Adam was under a works covenant initially. Had he kept the commandment not to eat, keep the garden, and be fruitful and multiply, at some point God would have conferred eternal life upon him.

 

[Genez]

God has only one people. But you want to ignore this New Covenant age in which we're in. And all humanity, at the end of this age, will spend eternity in God's newly restored earth. Your dispensationalism is as bad as your heretical soteriology.

So you are dominion theology too.

Figures...