Question about the Trinity

[HealthAndHappiness]

From what I understand God, Jesus, and the Holy spirit are one and the same. My own personal take on it is Jesus is the right hand of God and perhaps the Holy Spirit His left hand. To me asking if Jesus is God is like asking is God his right hand or his left? Is God his head or His toes. The question doesn't make sense because God is all His parts, He is one. Perhaps Jesus was the finite image of God we needed to comprehend His infinity. Do you think I am in any way right in this thinking?

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[HealthAndHappiness]

From what I understand God, Jesus, and the Holy spirit are one and the same. My own personal take on it is Jesus is the right hand of God and perhaps the Holy Spirit His left hand. To me asking if Jesus is God is like asking is God his right hand or his left? Is God his head or His toes. The question doesn't make sense because God is all His parts, He is one. Perhaps Jesus was the finite image of God we needed to comprehend His infinity. Do you think I am in any way right in this thinking?

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[GWH]

Through his spirit and word

Not if they are wholly distinct/separate/apart/disconnected from His creation.

God’s infinite power implies omnipresence per PS 139:7-8, "Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?..." (cf. 1KG 8:27, IS 66:1, JR 23:23-24).

God transcends spatial existence while being immanent in all points of space per ACTS 17:24-28, "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth... He gives everyone life and breath and everything else... He is not far from any one of us, for in Him we live and move and have our being..." and EPH 4:6, "(There is) one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

 

[GWH]

I'm well aware of the distinction between pantheism and panentheism, and also that both are heretical views of creation. The latter conflates the created with the creator.

Were God not wholly distinct from creation, He could not be the Creator. John 1:3 says of Christ and the creation, "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made", and Colossians 1:17 adds "He is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

No, maintaining that God is wholly distinct/separate/apart/disconnected from His creation is heretical for denying God’s omnipresence per PS 139:7-8, "Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?..." (cf. 1KG 8:27, IS 66:1, JR 23:23-24).

God transcends spatial existence while being immanent in all points of space per ACTS 17:24-28, "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth... He gives everyone life and breath and everything else... He is not far from any one of us, for in Him we live and move and have our being..." and EPH 4:6, "(There is) one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

 

[GWH]

Lol not even remotely close. Again the Athanasian Creed perfectly describes both the trinity doctrine and the Christian faith, denial of any point of the Athanasian Creed means you don't actually have the Christian faith which you will definitely never be saved. You is used here in impersonal way, meaning even if I were foolish enough to abandon Christianity and join you, I wouldnn't change the Christian faith, I would just end up in the everlasting hellfire. That's why when you're baptised it's in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, and if it's not you better take a hard look at the cult trying to baptize you.



The others are actually correct about panentheism. To not get digressed too far and try to keep it somewhat to the topic, panentheism would make God into basically an impersonal force rather than a personal God or elsewise you'd be adding the world, which is of course the enemy of God, as one of the persons of the trinity, so yea, panentheism is no good. This perhaps why earlier I detected hints of modalism, which it would lead to if one tries to combine it into the trinity as well as subordinationism. What you want is just good old fashioned theism where our God is the trinity in unity of the persons of the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit

No, y'all are wrong to claim that God is wholly distinct/separate/apart/disconnected from His creation. God is revealed both by His impersonal world/creation (RM 1:20) and by His uncreated personal dimensions.

God’s infinite power implies omnipresence per PS 139:7-8, "Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?..." (cf. 1KG 8:27, IS 66:1, JR 23:23-24).

God transcends spatial existence while being immanent in all points of space per ACTS 17:24-28, "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth... He gives everyone life and breath and everything else... He is not far from any one of us, for in Him we live and move and have our being..." and EPH 4:6, "(There is) one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

 

[homwardbound]

You're partly right, but the trinity doctrine is not incomprehensible and it can be understood, it's not that hard to actually understand it. Though yes you are correct that there is no analogy that can encompass the trinity doctrine. The best way to understand the trinity doctrine is either to read the Athanasian Creed or to read the whole entire Bible.

I see, we get physical analogies, to bring in Spiritual realities
God Won (One) for us all to be able to enter now through Son's done work for us to be new in God's Spirit and Truth as born again by God for us, not me or anyone else thank you
The mysteries of God, God reveals, not me or anyone else in truth as God does and did by Son for us to begin with,

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Not if they are wholly distinct/separate/apart/disconnected from His creation.

God’s infinite power implies omnipresence per PS 139:7-8, "Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?..." (cf. 1KG 8:27, IS 66:1, JR 23:23-24).

God transcends spatial existence while being immanent in all points of space per ACTS 17:24-28, "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth... He gives everyone life and breath and everything else... He is not far from any one of us, for in Him we live and move and have our being..." and EPH 4:6, "(There is) one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

But the spirit and word are not God, the father. His spirit and word are throughout all creation, but he is not

 

[GWH]

But the spirit and word are not God, the father. His spirit and word are throughout all creation, but he is not

God the Father is divorced from His Word and Spirit?! Where/what is your doctrine of the Triunity?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

God the Father is divorced from His Word and Spirit?! Where/what is your doctrine of the Triunity?

Where did I say that? God, the father, dwells only in the holiest place, and the holy spirit issues forth from him and runs to and fro throughout every part of creation doing his will as articulated by the word. They are all one, but God, the father, himself does not inhabit all of creation; he's too holy. Pagans could not understand this and came up with the ideas that creation is God (pantheism), God is in everything (panentheism), emanations (gnosticism), etc.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The father himself dwells in the holiest place where no one but Christ can dwell, and is known to his creation via his spirit and word. God is too holy to dwell with his creation. But when we are perfected he will descend to live with us here on earth and we, Christ's body, will see him face to face.

For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. Isaiah 57:15​

 

[GWH]

Where did I say that? God, the father, dwells only in the holiest place, and the holy spirit issues forth from him and runs to and fro throughout every part of creation doing his will as articulated by the word. They are all one, but God, the father, himself does not inhabit all of creation; he's too holy. Pagans could not understand this and came up with the ideas that creation is God (pantheism), God is in everything (panentheism), emanations (gnosticism), etc.

Your disagreement is with GW in the Scriptures I quoted but you omitted and ignore:

1. PS 139:7-8, "Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?..." (cf. 1KG 8:27, IS 66:1, JR 23:23-24).

2. ACTS 17:24-28, "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth... He gives everyone life and breath and everything else... He is not far from any one of us, for in Him we live and move and have our being..." .

3. EPH 4:6, "(There is) one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Your disagreement is with GW in the Scriptures I quoted but you omitted and ignore:

1. PS 139:7-8, "Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?..." (cf. 1KG 8:27, IS 66:1, JR 23:23-24).

2. ACTS 17:24-28, "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth... He gives everyone life and breath and everything else... He is not far from any one of us, for in Him we live and move and have our being..." .

3. EPH 4:6, "(There is) one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

I'm not ignoring what you said, I'm explaining that it is not God, the father, himself that is in us or in his creation, but his spirit is. His spirit is his presence. Do you really think Jesus is dwelling inside you in bodily form? And do you really think the father, who scripture states will not come to earth until all rebellion is put down and subdued to the reign of Christ, is himself dwelling inside of you? That would make you the holiest place.

 

[Cameron143]

I'm not ignoring what you said, I'm explaining that it is not God, the father, himself that is in us or in his creation, but his spirit is. His spirit is his presence. Do you really think Jesus is dwelling inside you in bodily form? And do you really think the father, who scripture states will not come to earth until all rebellion is put down and subdued to the reign of Christ, is himself dwelling inside of you? That would make you the holiest place.

The holiest of holies...John 14:23.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The holiest of holies...John 14:23.

Through his spirit. That verse is not describing the holy of holies

 

[Cameron143]

Through his spirit. That verse is not describing the holy of holies

It is describing the Father.
What and where is the Holy of Holies not made of hands?
The Holy Spirit is not as holy as the Father?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

It is describing the Father.
What and where is the Holy of Holies not made of hands?
The Holy Spirit is not as holy as the Father?

Yes it's describing the father living in us through his spirit and word. The spirit is not the father; neither is the word. How can the father himself be living in us when he's not even here on earth?

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. Revelation 21:1-3​

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Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28​

 

[Cameron143]

Yes it's describing the father living in us through his spirit and word. The spirit is not the father; neither is the word. How can the father himself be living in us when he's not even here on earth?

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. Revelation 21:1-3​

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Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28​

I'm talking about a promise of Jesus that both He and the Father would tabernacle with us. The Spirit will already be dwelling in us. It is the greatest promise given in the scriptures...dwelling in and interacting with the Godhead as They enjoy fellowship and communion One with Another.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I'm talking about a promise of Jesus that both He and the Father would tabernacle with us. The Spirit will already be dwelling in us. It is the greatest promise given in the scriptures...dwelling in and interacting with the Godhead as They enjoy fellowship and communion One with Another.

The two verses I posted above show that God, the father, himself won't be with us until the end of the millennium when all is perfected. Currently, we do interact with the godhead through the spirit

 

[Cameron143]

The two verses I posted above show that God, the father, himself won't be with us until the end of the millennium when all is perfected. Currently, we do interact with the godhead through the spirit

That's your understanding of those verses. It doesn't gel with what Jesus promised.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

That's your understanding of those verses. It doesn't gel with what Jesus promised.

Then explain how the 2 verses I quoted make any sense. If God, the father, is here what sense does it make for scripture to say he doesn't come here until the end of the millennium?