Why do some people believe and some do not?

[cv5]

He killed the animals, laid them out and drove away birds that were trying to eat the carcasses, so it was a while before God showed up.

That is correct. Why?

[Gen 15:8 NKJV]
And he said, "Lord GOD, how shall I (absolutely positively) know that I will inherit it?"

The best and brightest opine that God RESURRECTED these animals as infallible miraculous proof for Abrams benefit.

 

[cv5]

How does God change the heart? Magic or obedience?

Yes, the CHANGE of heart is instantaneous. The PROCESS of sanctification is not.
And what is the FIRST act of this OBEDIENCE? To be obedient to the COMMAND to repent and receive Christ.

Oh.....and here is more Calvinite kryptonite for you.

[Eph 1:13 NKJV]
In Him you also [trusted], ***after*** you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, ***having*** believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Then comes the DESIRE to give God more glory: by continual interaction with the Holy Ghost, which is the manifestation of obedience. Praying. Pleading. Studying. Holy living.

Overcoming.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Oh yes there was......definitely.

[Gen 15:6 NKJV]
And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

That occurred prior to the covenant

 

[cv5]

That occurred prior to the covenant

Of course it was. Because it was a TERM of the covenant that was YET TO BE finalized.
Good grief man just slow down a little and think this through.

It is just dead easy man.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Yes, that much is in the text... the last bit seems to be an assumption.

What last bit? That God showed up later to walk between the pieces? It's clearly stated in the text after Abe did those things that God walked between the pieces as the sun was going down.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Of course it was. Because it was a TERM of the covenant that was YET TO BE finalized.
Good grief man just slow down a little and think this through.

It is just dead easy man.

You obviously don't believe what the text says, which is that Abe believed God when he said his seed would be innumerable and then God imputed that faith to Abe as righteousness, right then, not years later. Then God made another promise and Abe said he needed surety for it, so God confirmed it with a blood covenant

 

[cv5]

That is correct. Why?

[Gen 15:8 NKJV]
And he said, "Lord GOD, how shall I (absolutely positively) know that I will inherit it?"

The best and brightest opine that God RESURRECTED these animals as infallible miraculous proof for Abrams benefit.

Abram was......waiting for something to happen.
Anticipating some surety that God would provide to him.

 

[cv5]

You obviously don't believe what the text says, which is that Abe believed God when he said his seed would be innumerable and then God imputed that faith to Abe as righteousness, right then, not years later. Then God made another promise and Abe said he needed surety for it, so God confirmed it with a blood covenant

LOL.
Don't worry. You will figure it out eventually man.
Give it time. Could take days, could take decades.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Abram was......waiting for something to happen.
Anticipating some surety that God would provide to him.

The surety was the covenant. It's explicitly stated immediately after Abe asked for surety

And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it? And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. Genesis 15:8-9​

 

[Magenta]

What last bit? That God showed up later to walk between the pieces? It's clearly stated in the text after Abe did those things that God walked between the pieces as the sun was going down.

I would have thought it was clear what I was agreeing with and that which I disagreed with because I agreed with what I bolded and I disagree with your assumption which was the last bit which is what I actually said quite plainly.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

That is correct. Why?

[Gen 15:8 NKJV]
And he said, "Lord GOD, how shall I (absolutely positively) know that I will inherit it?"

The best and brightest opine that God RESURRECTED these animals as infallible miraculous proof for Abrams benefit.

btw this is just silly. The text says fowl came down on the carcasses, which can only mean birds that feast on dead animals.

And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away. Genesis 15:11​

 

[Kroogz]

In Him you also [trusted], ***after*** you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, ***having*** believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Then comes the DESIRE to give God more glory: by continual interaction with the Holy Ghost, which is the manifestation of obedience. Praying. Pleading. Studying. Holy living.

Overcoming.

And to build up the Saints..........This seal cannot be broken.

John 6:27
27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal."

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I would have thought it was clear what I was agreeing with and that which I disagreed with because I agreed with what I bolded and I disagree with your assumption which was the last bit which is what I actually said quite plainly.

That's what I thought and responded accordingly, but just wanted to make sure

 

[Jimbone]

Explain how flesh nature is cut away.

By His grace when He grants us repentance and He resurrects, or really brings to life for the first time, the dead spirit we were born with and reconnects us to Him, to the Spirit to transform us and lead us to all truth in Him. That's when. Has that not happen to you? Have you been born again, the second you're born again, or as Jesus says, "born of spirit", that is when the veil is lifted, the "flesh nature is cut away" as you're asking. We are born again with a new nature in Him.

 

[cv5]

btw this is just silly. The text says fowl came down on the carcasses, which can only mean birds that feast on dead animals.

And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away. Genesis 15:11​

Bye bye. You are on ignore. Glean where you will.

 

[cv5]

And to build up the Saints..........This seal cannot be broken.

John 6:27
27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal."

I'm waiting for the redoubtable Greek Calvinite sophists to launch a diatribe of how obedience is a "work" and is an affront to the sovereignty of God and disqualifies everybody from salvation blah blah blah

 

[Magenta]

That's what I thought and responded accordingly, but just wanted to make sure

Actually in your last bit you had Abraham walking through the parts and not God... Abraham walking through the parts is not laid out in Scripture and that is what I said was an assumption.

 

[Kroogz]

Oh yes there was......definitely.

[Gen 15:6 NKJV]
And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

You probably know this. This is an account of his believing. He believed and was saved long before this.

Acts 7:2
And he said, “Brethren and fathers, listen: The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Haran,

27Now these are the records of the generations of Terah. Terah fathered Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran fathered Lot. 28Haran died [n]during the lifetime of his father Terah in the land of his birth, in Ur of the Chaldeans. 29Abram and Nahor took wives for themselves. The name of Abram’s wife was Sarai, and the name of Nahor’s wife was Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah [o]and Iscah. 30Sarai was unable to conceive; she did not have a child.

31Now Terah took his son Abram, and Lot the son of Haran, his grandson, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, his son Abram’s wife, and they departed [p]together from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to the land of Canaan; and they went as far as Haran and [q]settled there. 32The days of Terah were 205 years; and Terah died in Haran.

The Lord had already appeared to Abram, before he left Ur, Mesopotamia............Faith alone in Christ alone.

 

[cv5]

You probably know this. This is an account of his believing. He believed and was saved long before this.

Acts 7:2
And he said, “Brethren and fathers, listen: The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Haran,

27Now these are the records of the generations of Terah. Terah fathered Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran fathered Lot. 28Haran died [n]during the lifetime of his father Terah in the land of his birth, in Ur of the Chaldeans. 29Abram and Nahor took wives for themselves. The name of Abram’s wife was Sarai, and the name of Nahor’s wife was Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah [o]and Iscah. 30Sarai was unable to conceive; she did not have a child.

31Now Terah took his son Abram, and Lot the son of Haran, his grandson, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, his son Abram’s wife, and they departed [p]together from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to the land of Canaan; and they went as far as Haran and [q]settled there. 32The days of Terah were 205 years; and Terah died in Haran.

The Lord had already appeared to Abram, before he left Ur, Mesopotamia............Faith alone in Christ alone.

Yes. But, Abram is stated as believing THIS PARTICULAR covenant of Genesis 15.
Same goes for Genesis 17.

Both with individual (but intermeshing) terms of settlement.

 

[cv5]

You probably know this. This is an account of his believing. He believed and was saved long before this.

Acts 7:2
And he said, “Brethren and fathers, listen: The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Haran,

27Now these are the records of the generations of Terah. Terah fathered Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran fathered Lot. 28Haran died [n]during the lifetime of his father Terah in the land of his birth, in Ur of the Chaldeans. 29Abram and Nahor took wives for themselves. The name of Abram’s wife was Sarai, and the name of Nahor’s wife was Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah [o]and Iscah. 30Sarai was unable to conceive; she did not have a child.

31Now Terah took his son Abram, and Lot the son of Haran, his grandson, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, his son Abram’s wife, and they departed [p]together from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to the land of Canaan; and they went as far as Haran and [q]settled there. 32The days of Terah were 205 years; and Terah died in Haran.

The Lord had already appeared to Abram, before he left Ur, Mesopotamia............Faith alone in Christ alone.

The nutter Calvinites actually believe (OR DO THEY?) that Abraham never made an actual CHOICE predicated upon his own conscious will/desire his entire life.

Including the CHOICES and WILLFUL DECISIONS that he made in the course of consummating the most important seminal covenants in the history of creation!

When clear simple teachings are exemplified in the Bible, immediately the Calvinite Greek gnostics rally their forces and drop "philosophical chaos bombs" meant to..........

[Rom 1:18 NKJV]
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,