Fundamentalism and Particular Baptists

Kroogz · Monday at 1:10 PM

cv5 said:

Thank you Sir!

I have been studying with him. I did notice he was struggling. Been going through his 'seeds' teachings.....well you know!

My Pastor was awesome and took one well past those carnival barkers......But Chronister seems to go to the next level. Always, Always room to grow.

cv5 · Monday at 1:16 PM

Kroogz said:

I urge you (and everyone) to start at the beginning. It will only take perhaps 10 or 20 hours of your time.
Once you TRULY understand what is ACTUALLY going on here.........bye bye false doctrines and Calvinite-ism.

Adam And Eve... What really happened?

1st Adam vs. The 2nd Adam. They're more alike than you might think

Adam, Eve & Satan. Do you really think you know this story?

Deep Teaching On Adam & Eve. This is the stuff you're not supposed to hear

Did Adam Blame Eve? It's not what you may have thought

Eve Is Dying Right In Front of Adam. If you were Adam, what would you do?

Satan, Why Did You Pick A Snake? Would Adam have been fooled by a snake?

Why A Tree Of Death? What caused the Tree of Death to be put in the garden of Eden?

Genesis 2 and 3... NOT Seeker Sensitive! That's why most churches don't teach this

cv5 · Monday at 1:19 PM

Kroogz said:

Kroogz · Monday at 1:27 PM

cv5 said:

All bookmarked. McLaughlin went deep into the Angelic conflict, and has books on it. So the base is laid. Calvinism is a mirror image of the angelic conflict. And it's not on God's side.

wattie · Monday at 1:27 PM

Jimbone said:

first off I agree with you 100% I think this take nails the proper spirit to approach this issue. So please bare with me for the rest of my comment.

I SO can't stand the "people chosen for hell" criticism at all. I'm not saying "you" push it, were pushing it, or really anything about you at all. You just mentioned it and I wanted to comment on this thing alone, disconnected form you. So I'm not saying this TO YOU, just generally about that specific criticism I see thrown around here way too often IMO. So please don't read this like I'm coming at you or trying to correct anything you said.

I just hate this argument (honestly it more used as a cudgel than any kind of real argument) that comes up WAY TOO MUCH here, that if you believe God is in control, has ALL power, and gets ALL glory for every bit of every man salvation, then that means you believe in some crazy kind of false monster god that picks who goes to hell.

I can't stand it because it's completely irrelevant in truth, used for division, and based on a totally false premise. It's people criticizing others because they look at something differently, and then form a false view of the matter based on ignorance. See the TRUTH of the matter is God doesn't have to choose anyone for hell no matter what side of this debate you fall on. Know why? That's right, because that is where we are ALL going outside His grace. So this argument, no matter how you want to put lipstick on it, is dumb before it even gets started on a level that it should be dismissed offhand every time we hear it. Why would God have to pick anyone for hell when in TRUTH, that's where we're all going.

Besides that, I've never in my 16 years of being saved, ever heard anyone teach, even once, that God picks who goes to heaven and hell arbitrarily. The only people I've EVER heard say that are the CDSC (Calvin Derangement Syndrome Cult)members here, and they do so in accusation of someone they label and make the enemy based on their knowledge and judgement, outside of anything that person actually says themselves, and feel are called by God to do this and battle for eternity. Only those who throw around these baseless accusations say this at all, ever, in my experience. Like I've never seen them in a conversation with anyone saying the things they accuse people of teaching. Not once.

Anyway Sorry for the rant being tied to your comment, it was solely because you mentioned the "God chooses for hell" thing and I guess I was triggered or something. LOL, but one last time, know I was not at all disagreeing with your main point here, and have a great day brother.

No problemo man!

To be specific, I encounter with the predestination side of calvin teaching, that people are saved before they believe.

Thats where i disagree with Calvinism..and also with perseverance of the saints.. which I think should be 'preservation of the saved ' if it means OSAS.

So yeah..

Anyway...happy new year, and I hope all is well

Everlasting-Grace · Monday at 1:36 PM

ChristRoseFromTheDead said:

Romans 4 is the contrast between being saved by Faith and being saved by works. The debt is what we owe God. that debt is death.. or condemnation

Why did you ignore the other two verses I posted.

Everlasting-Grace · Monday at 1:39 PM

cv5 said:

I do not know @ParticularWife and am not going to judge anyone based on just one post..

Everlasting-Grace · Monday at 1:40 PM

ChristRoseFromTheDead said:

where do you see the word election?

It states clearly that it is of grace or it is of works. In no defenition can grace and works be mixed. it can only be one or the other.

ChristRoseFromTheDead · Monday at 1:40 PM

Everlasting-Grace said:

Correct. Faith vs works and grace vs debt

Everlasting-Grace · Monday at 1:40 PM

lrs68 said:

I took it out of the passage. It is not my believe, it is what Paul said.. It concerns spiritual gifts. Not salvation (I even quoted the whole passage)

Everlasting-Grace · Monday at 1:42 PM

ChristRoseFromTheDead said:

so I was saved from my debt, Not from condemnation.

ok........

Everlasting-Grace · Monday at 1:43 PM

lrs68 said:

I learned to just stick to the word. All churches have issues. we should not be followers of men

ChristRoseFromTheDead · Monday at 1:44 PM

Everlasting-Grace said:

Paul's talking about the election that is of grace, not works

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Romans 11:5-6

Eli1 · Monday at 1:47 PM

ChristRoseFromTheDead said:

Why did Paul even write letters if he didn't believe that he didn't need to do any more work?

ChristRoseFromTheDead · Monday at 1:48 PM

Everlasting-Grace said:

You are being saved from the wrath because Christ paid your debt

ChristRoseFromTheDead · Monday at 1:53 PM

Eli1 said:

He's referring to the elect's justification by works of the law. Has nothing to do with any work we might do staying on the straight path

Everlasting-Grace · Monday at 1:54 PM

ChristRoseFromTheDead said:

What you do not understand?

lets see

2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

1. We were dead (the wage of sin is death rom 6))
2. We have been made alive (the gift of God is eternal life (rom 6)
3. This happens when we are saved (by grace we have been saved a completed action)
4. This salvation was By grace (Gods gift. based on Gods love, based on Gods mercy based on Gods death)
It is not of ourseleves. not of anything we did. It is recieved in faith.

romans 4:
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted [c]as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

Paul in romans 4 is talking about being justified, About not having your sin imputed to you

1. It is not by works, But by the faith of abraham he was found (justified)
2. If Abraham would have worked for it. it would not be counted as grace (freely given) but as debt (in other words. You incured more debt. why? Because your in sin.. everything you try to do with works is sin, and just increases the debt you have against God)
3. The one saved or given grace is him who does not work. but believes in Christ, it is he who is justied. it is he who God will nto impute sin (is condemned)

armchairscholar · Monday at 1:55 PM

ParticularWife said:

Interesting question -- the movement actually emerged in the early 1900s as a reaction to modernist theology and liberal Christianity. "The Fundamentals" were a series of pamphlets that laid out basic Protestant beliefs they considered non-negotiable.

From what I've studied, being a Fundamentalist isn't just about believing those core doctrines (virgin birth, biblical inerrancy, etc.) - it's more about a particular approach to faith. Fundamentalists typically emphasize literal Bible interpretation, separation from "worldly" influences, and strong opposition to liberal theology.

What's interesting is how Fundamentalism intersects with other Protestant traditions. You can be a Calvinist Baptist or Pentecostal and share many Fundamentalist beliefs without being part of the Fundamentalist movement itself. Think of it like circles in a Venn diagram that overlap but aren't identical.

The relationship between Fundamentalism and Reformed theology is complex - they share some core beliefs but often differ on things like church-state relations and cultural engagement. From my observation, modern Fundamentalists tend to be more focused on personal holiness and separation from secular culture than traditional Reformed believers.

Just believing in those core doctrines doesn't automatically make someone a Fundamentalist - it's more about the overall approach to faith and culture.

Just my two cents

Everlasting-Grace · Monday at 1:56 PM

lrs68 said:

Our faith has been in self.. That is where we are seperated from God.

God has to convince us he is trustworthy, and we are guilty and he can save us.

Sadly. many people claim they are christian, yet they have no faith in these three things

ChristRoseFromTheDead · Monday at 1:59 PM

Everlasting-Grace said:

What you do not understand?

lets see

2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

1. We were dead (the wage of sin is death rom 6))
2. We have been made alive (the gift of God is eternal life (rom 6)
3. This happens when we are saved (by grace we have been saved a completed action)
4. This salvation was By grace (Gods gift. based on Gods love, based on Gods mercy based on Gods death)
It is not of ourseleves. not of anything we did. It is recieved in faith.

romans 4:
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted [c]as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

Paul in romans 4 is talking about being justified, About not having your sin imputed to you

1. It is not by works, But by the faith of abraham he was found (justified)
2. If Abraham would have worked for it. it would not be counted as grace (freely given) but as debt (in other words. You incured more debt. why? Because your in sin.. everything you try to do with works is sin, and just increases the debt you have against God)
3. The one saved or given grace is him who does not work. but believes in Christ, it is he who is justied. it is he who God will nto impute sin (is condemned)

No, I meant would you please explain in your own words what Paul meant in that one specific verse, not in a roundabout way with other verses

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