Understanding God’s election

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Mem

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That's not what Scripture actually teaches, though, when people suppress the Truth in unrighteousness.
So, in sincerity, the power of the gospel is the ability to persuade?
The power to acknowledge the truth doesn't necessarily reflect any power of persuasion on the part of the offeror but rather the receptor's willingness to receive it. A gift is still a gift even if it is left unclaimed.

*I'm going to exchange the freedom to argue about my election for simply walking in it.
 
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So, in sincerity, the power of the gospel is the ability to persuade?
Act 28:23
And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
Act 28:24
And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
Act 28:25
And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
Act 28:26
Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
Act 28:27
For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Act 28:28
Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Act 28:29
And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.
Act 28:30
And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
Act 28:31
Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Paul sought to persuade everyone who came to him concerning Jesus. Some believed, and some believed not. Those who did not believe were those whose hearts had waxed gross, whose ears were dull of hearing, and whose eyes they had willfully closed. Had it not been for their willful rejection of God and his word, they could have seen with their eyes, heard with their ears, understood with their hearts, and been converted. Unfortunately, those who did not believe were following in the wrong footsteps of their forefathers. As Stephen rightly said:

Act 7:51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

So much for "irresistible grace."

Several of you here are preaching a false gospel, and you need to repent. You don't want to? Then be ready to answer for your gross misrepresentation of the gospel before Christ himself one day.
 
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I would love to see a meme having a tombstone.
And, with these words engraved on it...
Hyper-Calvinism.
Here "lies" the elect


And, of course... with tulips placed upon the grave!



;) ..... Can we dig it? :eek:
 
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The power to acknowledge the truth doesn't necessarily reflect any power of persuasion on the part of the
offeror but rather the receptor's willingness to receive it. A gift is still a gift even if it is left unclaimed.

*I'm going to exchange the freedom to argue about my election for simply walking in it.
Who do you have doing the offering in scenario number one? Some say God's grace is irresistible.

If I think about it in terms of how Peter expressed it:

Lord where would we go? And that is what it comes down to for some.

The Truth is revealed, what are they going to do? Walk away from it?

If they acknowledge it as Truth, only a fool would walk...

So Jesus asked the Twelve, “Do you want to leave too?” Simon Peter replied, “Lord, to whom would
we go? You have the words of eternal life. We believe and know that You are the Holy One of God.”
 

Cameron143

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Act 28:23
And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
Act 28:24
And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
Act 28:25
And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
Act 28:26
Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
Act 28:27
For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Act 28:28
Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Act 28:29
And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.
Act 28:30
And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
Act 28:31
Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Paul sought to persuade everyone who came to him concerning Jesus. Some believed, and some believed not. Those who did not believe were those whose hearts had waxed gross, whose ears were dull of hearing, and whose eyes they had willfully closed. Had it not been for their willful rejection of God and his word, they could have seen with their eyes, heard with their ears, understood with their hearts, and been converted. Unfortunately, those who did not believe were following in the wrong footsteps of their forefathers. As Stephen rightly said:

Act 7:51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

So much for "irresistible grace."

Several of you here are preaching a false gospel, and you need to repent. You don't want to? Then be ready to answer for your gross misrepresentation of the gospel before Christ himself one day.
Are you saying, please just yes or no, that the power of God in the gospel is in the person doing the persuading?
 

cv5

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Several of you here are preaching a false gospel, and you need to repent. You don't want to? Then be ready to answer for your gross misrepresentation of the gospel before Christ himself one day.
A chosenite "gospel" is always a doomer "gospel".
Certainly not good news at all. Quite the contrary in fact.
 

cv5

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The fact is that you don't know what I believe because rather than ask questions, you prefer barbs and make assumptions.
As usual you are only interested in division. Grace and peace.
Like ahhhhmmmm......a sheep and goats type of division?
How about legit doctrine vs unbiblical heresy?

I thought that this was a necessary part of the protocol and program?
 

Cameron143

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The power to acknowledge the truth doesn't necessarily reflect any power of persuasion on the part of the offeror but rather the receptor's willingness to receive it. A gift is still a gift even if it is left unclaimed.

*I'm going to exchange the freedom to argue about my election for simply walking in it.
Does this approach have the source of the power of the gospel in self?
How would this relate to the parable of the sower?
 

Cameron143

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Like ahhhhmmmm......a sheep and goats type of division?
How about legit doctrine vs unbiblical heresy?

I thought that this was a necessary part of the protocol and program?
So you acknowledge that there is a division of sheep and goats?
Is each after its own kind?
Did Jesus seek and save goats?
Does scripture contain any passage where goats are changed into sheep?
 

HeIsHere

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“…you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:15-16).
 
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The fact is that you don't know what I believe because rather than ask questions, you prefer barbs and make assumptions.
As usual you are only interested in division. Grace and peace.
See their reply to that post?
Now you know who you're dealing with in their own words.

1 Corinthians 2 is proven yet again.
 
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“…you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:15-16).
That's true.

The Breath of God is the Spirit of God. Holy Spirit.
 

HeIsHere

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“Consequently faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the preached word of Christ” (Rom. 10:17).

And

“The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life” (John 6:63)