Brother! I did forget! I will get to it soon. 
Please point me to the thread.
Please point me to the thread.
Are giants the offspring of angels and humans?
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If a son of God is someone who believes God and does what he is told, then Noah fits that description.
We have the verse in question:
1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
And then in verse 7 we have this account of Noah:
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
God gives Noah some instructions and then this is recorded:
Thus Noah did; according to all that God commanded him, so he did.
This is a record of a son of God: doing what his Father in heaven tells him.
The promise of a man in the image and likeness of God was not lost in the fall. Before Adam fell Christ paid the price for the redemption of man. So, because that covenant existed in eternity, it was safe from the corruption that would come upon the world. It was also secured by the covenant of the Son and the Father. The Spirit of God, which is the Spirit of Christ, revealed, in part, this plan to the prophets of God in all times (Noah included) and to all who are of the Holy Spirit of promise.
This is the account Peter gives of the plan of salvation from the corruption of the world:
"Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 12 To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into."
The revelation of the salvation provided by Christ was given to man in all eras in certain measure. The fullness of which was not even revealed until AFTER Jesus died on the cross and until AFTER the revelation was given to certain ones within the church. This was always a function of the Holy Spirit directly ministering to man.
My point: sons of God, people able to hear God and do what He tells them, have existed in all eras. This reality was secured by Christ from the foundation of the world. We should see the flood as not a reset but as a preservation of a son of God (Noah) to carry on the ministry of reconciliation of God the Father; God and man together.
We have the verse in question:
1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
And then in verse 7 we have this account of Noah:
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
God gives Noah some instructions and then this is recorded:
Thus Noah did; according to all that God commanded him, so he did.
This is a record of a son of God: doing what his Father in heaven tells him.
The promise of a man in the image and likeness of God was not lost in the fall. Before Adam fell Christ paid the price for the redemption of man. So, because that covenant existed in eternity, it was safe from the corruption that would come upon the world. It was also secured by the covenant of the Son and the Father. The Spirit of God, which is the Spirit of Christ, revealed, in part, this plan to the prophets of God in all times (Noah included) and to all who are of the Holy Spirit of promise.
This is the account Peter gives of the plan of salvation from the corruption of the world:
"Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 12 To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into."
The revelation of the salvation provided by Christ was given to man in all eras in certain measure. The fullness of which was not even revealed until AFTER Jesus died on the cross and until AFTER the revelation was given to certain ones within the church. This was always a function of the Holy Spirit directly ministering to man.
My point: sons of God, people able to hear God and do what He tells them, have existed in all eras. This reality was secured by Christ from the foundation of the world. We should see the flood as not a reset but as a preservation of a son of God (Noah) to carry on the ministry of reconciliation of God the Father; God and man together.
Being able to speak Hebrew does not ensure biblical understanding.
The syntax determines what words are written.
The Holy Spirit determines what the words mean.
What I provided is consistent with the revelation of the scriptures that continued into the New Testament. What is revealed in the New Testament (not written in Hebrew) shines light on the words in the OT.
The syntax determines what words are written.
The Holy Spirit determines what the words mean.
What I provided is consistent with the revelation of the scriptures that continued into the New Testament. What is revealed in the New Testament (not written in Hebrew) shines light on the words in the OT.
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But you are a victim of the RCC where I am not. Even in your Bible you will see the Hebrew/Jewish people had books like Jasher and many others that Explain in detail more about these topics.
I know you will say God had these RCC men destroy or reject these books but we've studied these men and know most wouldn't know God even if He made Himself known. Much like the people in Romans 1 who know God through manifestation but still reject God and end up with a reprobate mind.
But for the Jew who follows Yeshua we are not throwing away books God had Hebrew men write before the Torah was written. They tell the same experiences we read in the Torah but they go into greater detail. I actually feel sorry for you. You think you know something but have no real details about it.
I know you will say God had these RCC men destroy or reject these books but we've studied these men and know most wouldn't know God even if He made Himself known. Much like the people in Romans 1 who know God through manifestation but still reject God and end up with a reprobate mind.
But for the Jew who follows Yeshua we are not throwing away books God had Hebrew men write before the Torah was written. They tell the same experiences we read in the Torah but they go into greater detail. I actually feel sorry for you. You think you know something but have no real details about it.
I agree, though again that doesn’t explain why the Israelites went to great lengths to annihilate the giants… at God’s direction.
Deuteronomy 2
4And command thou the people, saying, Ye are to pass through the coast of your brethren the children of Esau, which dwell in Seir; and they shall be afraid of you: take ye good heed unto yourselves therefore:
5Meddle not with them; for I will not give you of their land, no, not so much as a foot breadth; because I have given mount Seir unto Esau for a possession.
8And when we passed by from our brethren the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, through the way of the plain from Elath, and from Eziongaber, we turned and passed by the way of the wilderness of Moab.
9And the LORD said unto me, Distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give thee of their land for a possession; because I have given Ar unto the children of Lot for a possession.
10The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;
11Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
12The Horims also dwelt in Seir beforetime; but the children of Esau succeeded them, when they had destroyed them from before them, and dwelt in their stead; as Israel did unto the land of his possession, which the LORD gave unto them
16So it came to pass, when all the men of war were consumed and dead from among the people,
17That the LORD spake unto me, saying,
18Thou art to pass over through Ar, the coast of Moab, this day:
19And when thou comest nigh over against the children of Ammon, distress them not, nor meddle with them: for I will not give thee of the land of the children of Ammon any possession; because I have given it unto the children of Lot for a possession.
20(That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
21A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:
22As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead even unto this day:
23And the Avims which dwelt in Hazerim, even unto Azzah, the Caphtorims, which came forth out of Caphtor, destroyed them, and dwelt in their stead.)
Wow! Such candor!
Come now lre68, no man has secret access to the Most High. It is only by Christ we know and receive anything. And your traditions and physical DNA certainly don't upgrade your meal ticket to the president's table. What I profess to know and understand is limited only to the degree I walk it out. For the gospel, God has no favorites.
For goodness sake take no pity on me. In Christ I have all that I need an more.
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I am just saying the Jews know and King David mentions it along with Joshua and others about these writings about the days before the Flood and around the time when Jacob allowed his family to move to Egypt.
And oddly enough, what Moses writes is like the outline to these books that reveal deeper knowledge of what was happening.
And oddly enough, what Moses writes is like the outline to these books that reveal deeper knowledge of what was happening.
Here is a video around the 4 minute and 30 second mark that he says he does not find that the book of Enoch is inspired. He will go on to say that ideas from the book of Enoch are used in the New Testament. Which he will say that some are used in the gospels. He does not elaborate which ones in the gospels. However, perhaps one of the most common affirmed by Christ is that angels do not marry in heaven. 1 Enoch chapter 15 as well relays that they are not. Anyway hope this helps for a definitive answer does he find Enoch inspired.
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