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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. Christianity is all through the founding of America. It's what our laws are based on.
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No it's not. Our founding fathers made it abundantly clear that religion is a stay out of law making.
It absolutely does mean freedom FROM religion meaning you don't get to pass laws that Force your religion on other people.
This is America. Not Saudi Arabia.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
You're acting like Christians are the only ones that disagree with pushing homosexuality and trans on children. There's a whole lot of people that still believe marriage is between a man and a woman. You want to teach your kids that junk at home, you're free to do that. But not to underage children. And a LOT of people stood up and voted and gave Trump a mandate. One of his biggest moments of applause was when he talked about two genders. Repubs, Dems, Indepdants are DONE with the woke crap and they said it loudly and clearly.
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I think we're having two different conversations. I disagree with all the things you mentioned I don't think any of those things should be in the school but I'm not surprised by it and I'm not going to fight it because why expect the world to conform to fit my perceptions? Because if I did so I would be doing the exact same thing I think the lgbtq community is guilty of.

President Trump just repealed a law protecting women from being discriminated against in the work workplace. Now you as a woman could be fired from a job are not hired because of your biological sex. Ice has detained American citizens and has conducted warrantless searches.
 
Tamarisk said:
I think we're having two different conversations. I disagree with all the things you mentioned I don't think any of those things should be in the school but I'm not surprised by it and I'm not going to fight it because why expect the world to conform to fit my perceptions? Because if I did so I would be doing the exact same thing I think the lgbtq community is guilty of.

President Trump just repealed a law protecting women from being discriminated against in the work workplace. Now you as a woman could be fired from a job are not hired because of your biological sex. Ice has detained American citizens and has conducted warrantless searches.
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Yeah that's what I've been saying. It doesn't just end dei, it's strips all discriminatory protections.
 
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Also she's correct that most immigrants are not criminals.
Immigrants committing violent crime is more of a European problem. The Guatemalan busboy is not likely to strap a bomb to his chest.
 
Dude653 said:
Yeah that's what I've been saying. It doesn't just end dei, it's strips all discriminatory protections.
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The same people that were warning against the government gaining the powers that it's currently gaining are now cheering the government on and agreeing with the tyranny that they were warning against.

I can't count on my fingers and toes how many times I've heard the right say that "once government gains power they never give it up willingly, and they always use it against the people who wanted them to have it"

Oh yeah the 'immigrant crime wave" panic is a myth in America.
 
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Tamarisk said:
The same people that were warning against the government gaining the powers that it's currently gaining are now cheering the government on and agreeing with the tyranny that they were warning against.

I can't count on my fingers and toes how many times I've heard the right say that "once government gains power they never give it up willingly, and they always use it against the people who wanted them to have it"

Oh yeah the 'immigrant crime wave" panic is a myth in America.
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99% of school shootings are done by white right-wing conservatives
 
Dude653 said:
No it's not. Our founding fathers made it abundantly clear that religion is a stay out of law making.
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You need to read a few history books man.

Dude653 said:
It absolutely does mean freedom FROM religion meaning you don't get to pass laws that Force your religion on other people.
This is America. Not Saudi Arabia.
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Laws are based on Christian principles. You two keep trying to make this about religion. It's not. There are all kinds of people that don't want men in women's bathrooms, women's sports, homosexual material in underage school grades. I'll say it again, people voted it out!!
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
You need to read a few history books man.



Laws are based on Christian principles. You two keep trying to make this about religion. It's not. There are all kinds of people that don't want men in women's bathrooms, women's sports, homosexual material in underage school grades. I'll say it again, people voted it out!!
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I have read the history and that's why I know what I'm talking about.
Most of our founding fathers were deist. They were not Christian.
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The amendment clause to the Constitution specifically says that you can't pass laws that favor any one religion or any laws that discriminate against anyone religion.
That means all religions are constitutionally protected not just Christianity.
It also specifically states that all laws must serve a secular purpose
 
Tamarisk said:
I think we're having two different conversations. I disagree with all the things you mentioned I don't think any of those things should be in the school but I'm not surprised by it and I'm not going to fight it because why expect the world to conform to fit my perceptions? Because if I did so I would be doing the exact same thing I think the lgbtq community is guilty of.
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Ok, lets try a different path. Your 12yr old son comes home and he's high. You demand to know what friend he got it from, who talked to him, was it a drug dealer? Your son calmly tells you that his teacher gave him the drugs and that he's been given the kids drugs all year. Are you still " not going to fight it because why expect the world to conform to fit my perceptions"? No, of course not. There are things in society that we keep away from underage children for their health and benefit. Cutting a child up, pushing homosexuality and boys in girls bathrooms brings harm to children. There's a reason we keep sexual content away from underage kids. smh


Tamarisk said:
President Trump just repealed a law protecting women from being discriminated against in the work workplace. Now you as a woman could be fired from a job are not hired because of your biological sex. Ice has detained American citizens and has conducted warrantless searches.
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I'm researching the truth behind these claims...
 
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Dude653 said:
I have read the history and that's why I know what I'm talking about.
Most of our founding fathers were deist. They were not Christian.
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No not true.


Dude653 said:
The amendment clause to the Constitution specifically says that you can't pass laws that favor any one religion or any laws that discriminate against anyone religion.
That means all religions are constitutionally protected not just Christianity.
It also specifically states that all laws must serve a secular purpose
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It still doesn't change the fact that our laws are based on Christian beliefs.
 
Tamarisk said:
So we are in a theocracy now? Why do people need to repent to the state for something they do not believe is wrong?

People aren't allowed to express themselves and their ideas and their thoughts? So this is an ideological war? Have you read 1984?
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Are you talking about a prayer breakfast or something else?
 
Dude653 said:
No it's not. Our founding fathers made it abundantly clear that religion is a stay out of law making.
It absolutely does mean freedom FROM religion meaning you don't get to pass laws that Force your religion on other people.
This is America. Not Saudi Arabia.
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No, what they made perfectly clear is that the Federal government has no business making laws that favor a religion or are biased against a religion. That is it. They never said anything about State's rights. They never said anything about the rights of Americans to express their views and vote accordingly. There is nothing in the constitution that would prohibit a politician expressing their faith and in fact the constitution protects their right to speak their faith.

This is America, not Thailand, not Russia, and not New Guinea.
 
Tamarisk said:
I think we're having two different conversations. I disagree with all the things you mentioned I don't think any of those things should be in the school but I'm not surprised by it and I'm not going to fight it because why expect the world to conform to fit my perceptions? Because if I did so I would be doing the exact same thing I think the lgbtq community is guilty of.

President Trump just repealed a law protecting women from being discriminated against in the work workplace. Now you as a woman could be fired from a job are not hired because of your biological sex. Ice has detained American citizens and has conducted warrantless searches.
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I think many Christians misunderstand the Lord's word about not wanting us to be taken out of the world.

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

Does that apply to sending children to public school? Look at the context:

John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

It is the parents duty to give the children the word of God. It is absurd to think that kids in elementary school have enough of the word of God to stand strong against the worldly influence of teachers. For some children beginning in seventh grade it would not be unreasonable, others it would be eighth grade or even ninth grade.

But there is absolutely nothing in the Bible that would suggest you should hand over innocent kindergartners and elementary school kids to unbelievers to teach and raise.
 
Dude653 said:
99% of school shootings are done by white right-wing conservatives
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No one believes a word you say. You are a proven liar. You have repeatedly been asked to provide evidence of your claims and repeatedly failed to produce said evidence. So then, where is the evidence for this claim? I suppose the FBI would be a suitable source to back this absurdly biased claim from a known liar and slanderer.
 
Dude653 said:
I have read the history and that's why I know what I'm talking about.
Most of our founding fathers were deist. They were not Christian.
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The amendment clause to the Constitution specifically says that you can't pass laws that favor any one religion or any laws that discriminate against anyone religion.
That means all religions are constitutionally protected not just Christianity.
It also specifically states that all laws must serve a secular purpose
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No, it means they are protected from the Federal government. Utah has laws that favor one religion. That is not a violation of the US constitution. Blue laws are valid, but they are state laws, not Federal. You are very ignorant and regardless of how many times you have been corrected you refuse to be corrected.

As for schools there is absolutely no constitutional basis for the Federal government to impose their opinions on schools and yet that is what they do by funding and threatening to withhold funding. What is happening in Oklahoma is perfectly constitutional and exposes how unconstitutional the Federal government has been on this issue for years ever since NCLB and George Bush.
 
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Tamarisk said:
Ice has detained American citizens and has conducted warrantless searches.
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That is too vague, were these searches a violation of the law? Police do not need a warrant if they have probable cause. However, if probable cause does occur, such as a suspect runs away, a gunshot is heard from another room in a home, or even when an individual makes a sudden movement, a search becomes legal without a warrant.

No, police generally do not need a warrant to search if they respond to a 911 call, but only if there is a clear and immediate emergency situation, such as a crime in progress, a threat to life, or a risk of evidence being destroyed; this is known as "exigent circumstances" and allows them to enter a property without a warrant to address the emergency.

So what are you saying, do you have evidence that they committed warrantless searches but did not have probable cause or exigent circumstances?
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
Unbiased source? Surely you're joking.
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I taught at a school in Brooklyn for ten years. Every year we had students shot, killed, and knifed. None of them by whites. But those events didn't make the news. This is why the inner city is not moved by some school shooting in Colorado because they live through this every year and no one cares until it is a rich, white, suburban school. Dude gets his information from the Main Stream Propaganda Media, but get an FBI account of shootings and believe me the story is absolutely different than the one painted by the Indoctrination from the Bureau of Propaganda.

Also, after Sandy Hook the NYC school system put all teachers through intensive professional development on this issue every year. Never once was politics brought up as a factor. We were given signs to look for and a kid being bullied did appear to be one cause. As a result spotting and responding to bullying became a major theme every year in our training.
 
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