Applying God's Word to Politics

[studier]

Good governments are there to protect people and there belongings..

Reading Romans 9 at minimum I'd say they're there for more than this.

The last 6 of the Ten Commandments are about love for each other and the government should protect us by enforcing the laws like not killing, not stealing, not lying, and not committing adultery etc... these laws don't need to interfere with religious liberty.

But we should be free the worship God according to our conscious.

We the need to seperate the church from the politics.

I get the gist of what you're saying, but...

So, gov't should enforce love - namely the last 6 commandments of God's 10 Words - but we need to separate church & politics???

Maybe you have a different meaning of church than I do (although I don't like the word "church" I'll use it for convenience). The Church - the Body of Christ - in Christ in Spirit guarding and living the Word of God is one of the only things keeping politics & associated culture godly in any sense. Whatever your opinions of current US politics, I'm profoundly grateful for the many Christians in the current administration who understand that we unabashedly live out our faith in every arena in this world and work for good according to God and His standards.

Church, king, pope controlling gov't is one thing. Separating church from politics is another. Take God out of politics, which BTW is ultimately impossible, and see what we're left with. Go to some God forsaken areas of the world and see what God has allowed them to be, until He puts an end to it. Where the US was headed is another example closer to home. That was hopefully an end to the separate God or church from politics ideology pushed upon the Ekklesia by the ungodly for the past several decades.

 

[GWH]

Did anyone watch the Prayer Breakfast today on RAV (Charlie Kirk) or Newsmax (Bianca de la Garza), and do you sense a correlation between Prez T's EOs and spiritual revival akin to previous awakenings in our history?

 

[studier]

Did anyone watch the Prayer Breakfast today on RAV (Charlie Kirk) or Newsmax (Bianca de la Garza), and do you sense a correlation between Prez T's EOs and spiritual revival akin to previous awakenings in our history?

Did not see it. When you say "spiritual revival" what exactly do you mean and include?

I've attended 3 events over the past few weeks listening to Eric Metaxas. My own sense of what seems to be going on was heightened. He spoke briefly of a face-to-face with Trump and what he said to the President. Definitely interesting times.

 

[GWH]

Did not see it. When you say "spiritual revival" what exactly do you mean and include?

I've attended 3 events over the past few weeks listening to Eric Metaxas. My own sense of what seems to be going on was heightened. He spoke briefly of a face-to-face with Trump and what he said to the President. Definitely interesting times.

I mean that Christians are now able to practice their moral values without being persecuted and instead Trump has issued instructions to sue anyone who does target Christians, sorta like when Constantine ended burning Christians and instead legalized Christianity.

 

[GWH]

I mean that Christians are now able to practice their moral values without being persecuted and instead Trump has issued instructions to sue anyone who does target Christians, sorta like when Constantine ended burning Christians and instead legalized Christianity.

I just saw a report of the clip where Trump describes his near-death experience as divine intervention deepening his faith.

 

[studier]

I mean that Christians are now able to practice their moral values without being persecuted and instead Trump has issued instructions to sue anyone who does target Christians, sorta like when Constantine ended burning Christians and instead legalized Christianity.

Thanks. Watched the video. Nice to watch faith in politics. Over the next 4 years it will be interesting to see efforts applied to getting out the Christian vote. Hopefully it is an even greater wake up time and the garbage ideology is overwhelmingly sent back where it came from and kept there.

 

[Squigglylines]

I mean that Christians are now able to practice their moral values without being persecuted and instead Trump has issued instructions to sue anyone who does target Christians, sorta like when Constantine ended burning Christians and instead legalized Christianity.

Good grief Charlie Brown what great news, (breaking news) Donald Trump grants freedom of religion since the forefathers forgot to include freedom of religion in the US Constitution.

 

[GWH]

Good grief Charlie Brown what great news, (breaking news) Donald Trump grants freedom of religion since the forefathers forgot to include freedom of religion in the US Constitution.

Sounds like you are on the side of those who ignored the Constitution for the past four years. Why?

 

[studier]

Good grief Charlie Brown what great news, (breaking news) Donald Trump grants freedom of religion since the forefathers forgot to include freedom of religion in the US Constitution.

So a committee formed to make certain government follows the USC is a bad thing?

 

[Squigglylines]

Sounds like you are on the side of those who ignored the Constitution for the past four years. Why?

Hey if you agree with Trump taking credit for something that already exist in the United States go right ahead but I've been a Christian for going on 65 years so far with no problem.

 

[Squigglylines]

So a committee formed to make certain government follows the USC is a bad thing?

It is when we already have the Supreme Court of the United States that does just that?

 

[studier]

It is when we already have the Supreme Court of the United States that does just that?

Yes, all the checks and balances worked very well over the past 4 years. And from some of what's being discovered and is being rooted out, we can see how well the entire system as once framed has worked to police itself against criminality. A few more checks and balances is a good thing, not to mention some transparency, lessening the scale and making it more and more capable of oversight and management by hopefully again competent, merit based professionalism.

 

[GWH]

Hey if you agree with Trump taking credit for something that already exist in the United States go right ahead but I've been a Christian for going on 65 years so far with no problem.

Well, you are fortunate, because many of your brethren have been sued, fired, imprisoned, impoverished, cancelled and their children perverted and physically abused.
Have you been witnessing? Do you live in a heavily Democrat area?
I also have had no problems, but that is because the Marxists only gained control when Biden became Prez and by then I was retired and lived in a Republican area--and my children are grown.

 

[Squigglylines]

Yes, all the checks and balances worked very well over the past 4 years. And from some of what's being discovered and is being rooted out, we can see how well the entire system as once framed has worked to police itself against criminality. A few more checks and balances is a good thing, not to mention some transparency, lessening the scale and making it more and more capable of oversight and management by hopefully again competent, merit based professionalism.

I've got an Idea maybe Trump will appoint Judges to the SCOTUS and then they will be the majority? Oh that's right he did that when in office last time right? So now we need a committee to overrule the Judges DT appointed to ensure we follow the Constitution as if we've all forgotten he's already done that, and as it seems even DT.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

We can round up everyone who has come here seeking a better life, those hoping to start over in a Christian nation, and put them in detention camps. Then ship them all back where they came from. That would be a good start wouldn't it.

mmhm they could circle the globe and not find that place.

that place is the kingdom of God found in the promises of Jesus Christ found in the gospel

 

[Squigglylines]

Well, you are fortunate, because many of your brethren have been sued, fired, imprisoned, impoverished, cancelled and their children perverted and physically abused.
Have you been witnessing? Do you live in a heavily Democrat area?
I also have had no problems, but that is because the Marxists only gained control when Biden became Prez and by then I was retired and lived in a Republican area--and my children are grown.

Yes indeed I live in the heavily Democratic State of Texas which is a solid Red State,lol. The question makes no sense though because you ask me if I live in a heavily Democrat area because I said I have had no problem being Christian for 65 years?

 

[studier]

I've got an Idea maybe Trump will appoint Judges to the SCOTUS and then they will be the majority? Oh that's right he did that when in office last time right? So now we need a committee to overrule the Judges DT appointed to ensure we follow the Constitution as if we've all forgotten he's already done that, and as it seems even DT.

Yes, the system and the checks and balances are what they are because people are what we are. As I see it in the end we will have proven through many theories of governments that we never were designed to rule apart from God in a world infected with sin.

Have you noticed that the USC hasn't the power to rule human beings?

 

[GWH]

I've got an Idea maybe Trump will appoint Judges to the SCOTUS and then they will be the majority? Oh that's right he did that when in office last time right? So now we need a committee to overrule the Judges DT appointed to ensure we follow the Constitution as if we've all forgotten he's already done that, and as it seems even DT.

The problem regarding the Judicial Branch is that the Marxist George Soros funded the campaigns of many judges in the lower courts. Do you think the D.C. court is unbiased?!

Me thinks you have not been paying attention (watching only fake news) or else you are one of them.
(No need to reply; my real brother is like you, so I know everything you will say :^)

 

[Squigglylines]

Yes, the system and the checks and balances are what they are because people are what we are. As I see it in the end we will have proven through many theories of governments that we never were designed to rule apart from God in a world infected with sin.

Have you noticed that the USC hasn't the power to rule human beings?

No your correct it doesn't. Watch the video in this link and notice their intention is to tear the USC up and write another. https://conventionofstates.com/news/watch-vance-is-first-vp-elect-to-support-convention-of-states

 

[Mem]

Isaiah 9:7, written within in the context of the prophecy of the child Christ (and the government will be on His shoulders), shows God's word does apply to politics...

"7Of the increase of His government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on the throne of David
and over his kingdom,
to establish and sustain it
with justice and righteousness
from that time and forevermore.

The zeal of the LORD of Hosts will accomplish this."

Notice that in bold indicates the beginning, to which there is no end, as the establishment of His government.

And this is followed by texts promising judgment against pride, hypocrisy, and unrepentance.

At the end of the book, it is declared, "the kingdom of this world has become the kingdom of our Lord and His Messiah, and He will reign forever and ever (Rev 11:15)."

The times are tumultuous because of the rebellion against His government (the kingdom of God suffers violence as violent men push into it), but the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

How does anyone expect to keep God out? How can they as much as they might like to and try?