Is Open Theism Heresy?
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To be brutally honest I thought you were a quack when you brought this up a while ago. But I see now where you are coming from. I have a little different take on it though.
The Lord Jesus Christ CHOSE to lay aside His omniscience when creating freewill man. At His creation He chose to create man not knowing their future decision for Him or against Him.....True freedom. But, I believe He chose to use His omniscience after His creation of mankind. He knows and works with the freedom choice He gave to ALL.
The Lord Jesus Christ CHOSE to lay aside His omniscience when creating freewill man. At His creation He chose to create man not knowing their future decision for Him or against Him.....True freedom. But, I believe He chose to use His omniscience after His creation of mankind. He knows and works with the freedom choice He gave to ALL.
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Yes, as in:
The Bible says that God is love and true love comes from God (1JN 4:7-21, RM 5:5), so volitional creatures or souls can love only by reflecting, imitating or cooperating with the Creator’s love. Although the Bible speaks of God hating Esau (MAL 1:3) and other evil people (HOS 9:15), Jesus’ teaching of love for enemies (MT 5:44) reveals that God loves all creatures including Satan but hates their sinful choices.
God loves and wants to save everyone (1TM 2:3-4, ACTS 17:26-28); Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (RM 5:6-8) including His enemies (ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ).
The Bible says that God is love and true love comes from God (1JN 4:7-21, RM 5:5), so volitional creatures or souls can love only by reflecting, imitating or cooperating with the Creator’s love. Although the Bible speaks of God hating Esau (MAL 1:3) and other evil people (HOS 9:15), Jesus’ teaching of love for enemies (MT 5:44) reveals that God loves all creatures including Satan but hates their sinful choices.
God loves and wants to save everyone (1TM 2:3-4, ACTS 17:26-28); Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (RM 5:6-8) including His enemies (ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ).
The truth of the matter is in His Justice and righteousness.
He saves through His Justice. His Love brought His plan for mankind. And through Justice He saves.
His justice and righteousness is impugned to the nth degree in calvies theology.......God has no integrity in the calvies theology.
He saves through His Justice. His Love brought His plan for mankind. And through Justice He saves.
His justice and righteousness is impugned to the nth degree in calvies theology.......God has no integrity in the calvies theology.
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Did God only know David in this manner, or does he similarly know all of us?
Psa 139:1
[[To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.]] O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me.
Psa 139:2
Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off.
Psa 139:3
Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways.
Psa 139:4
For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether.
Psa 139:1
[[To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.]] O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me.
Psa 139:2
Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off.
Psa 139:3
Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways.
Psa 139:4
For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether.
To suggest God doesn't know is the issue. If God doesn't know all, He is not God. Yes, God knew Nineveh would repent, which is why he was adamant about Jonah going. God knew they would. It's right there in the word of GOD. God can know the outcome and allow one to choose even if he knows what they will do. The human intellect can not fully comprehend All God is.
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Omniscience includes knowledge of people’s thoughts (PS 94:11, MT 12:25) and the foreknowledge of events (ACTS 2:23, RM 8:29, 11:2, 1PT 1:2). Some people think that God even knows what a person will be/do before that person exists (JR 1:5). If this view is correct (which I find incomprehensible), it must be maintained that God’s foreknowledge does not predetermine a person’s spiritual choice regarding the satisfaction of God’s requirement for salvation or else moral responsibility would be abrogated. I find it simpler to think that God merely tweaks the river of history occasionally to keep if flowing in the direction He intends but allows the fish to swim as they wish.
