Is Open Theism Heresy?

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Magenta

Magenta

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Daniel 4:35~ All the peoples of the earth are counted as nothing, and He does as He pleases with the army of heaven and the peoples of the earth. There is no one who can restrain His hand or say to Him, ‘What have You done?’ Isaiah 14:24~ The LORD of Hosts has sworn: “Surely, as I have planned, so will it be; as I have purposed, so will it stand.” Psalm 139:16~ Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be. Proverbs 16:9~ In their hearts humans plan their course, but the Lord establishes their steps. Proverbs 19:21~ Many are the plans in a person's heart, but it is the Lord's purpose that prevails.
 
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Ecclesiastes 7:14 When times are good, be happy; but when times are bad, consider this: God has made the one as well as the other. Lamentations 3:37-38 Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it? Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come? Job 14:5 A person's days are determined; you have decreed the number of his months and have set limits he cannot exceed. Jeremiah 10:23 Lord, I know that people’s lives are not their own; it is not for them to direct their steps. Psalm 33:10-11 The Lord foils the plans of the nations; he thwarts the purposes of the peoples. But the plans of the Lord stand firm forever, the purposes of His heart through all generations.
 
CS1

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PaulThomson said:
Yours are the special pleading and questions begging fallacies. The language used is the same. If it does not need to mean exhaustive past, present and future knowledge in the case of a man, then it does not need to mean those things in God's case. To insist that it does mean past, present, and future knowledge because it is God we are talking about, and God has exhaustive past, present, and future knowledge is exactly question begging and special pleading.
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the point is GOD knows all man does not. God is not limited. Man is. Man who is limited cannot question God's nature. The created doesn't define the Creator. Create any term you like. God is not bound by human rationale.
 
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CS1 said:
the point is GOD knows all man does not. God is not limited. Man is. Man who is limited cannot question God's nature. The created doesn't define the Creator. Create any term you like. God is not bound by human rationale.
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True, all man can do is seek to understand God's nature by LGW.
 
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CS1 said:
the point is GOD knows all man does not. God is not limited. Man is. Man who is limited cannot question God's nature. The created doesn't define the Creator. Create any term you like. God is not bound by human rationale.
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Is God bound by his word?
 
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CS1 said:
the point is GOD knows all man does not. God is not limited. Man is. Man who is limited cannot question God's nature. The created doesn't define the Creator. Create any term you like. God is not bound by human rationale.
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And yet you are binding God to having to know all the future based on human rationale.
 
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GWH said:
God promises to never change His nature or mind (ML 3:6, PS 110:4), but He is not bound by man's fallible (mis)understanding of His Word.
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God does and has repented, changed his mind. God will never repent on the promises he has made concerning his people Israel. Context matters.
 
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John146 said:
God does and has repented, changed his mind. God will never repent on the promises he has made concerning his people Israel. Context matters.
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Hard to know context when you do not provide Scripture references.
 
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PaulThomson said:
If someone declares that unless God knows all the future exhaustively He is not worthy of worship as God, they are binding God to an expectation based on a human rationale.
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if i can hide the future from God, i have power over Him, and time is greater than both God and me.
 
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