Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Yep if we step into the light
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
John 3:19-21 KJV
and follow after him well never walk in darkness
“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
John 8:12 KJV
it’s just that the light doesn’t force a person to come to it or stay away from it . We have to choose darkness or light
“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
Isaiah 51:4 KJV
The light and darkness are in the world but which one we choose to be part of is before us
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
John 3:19-21 KJV
and follow after him well never walk in darkness
“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
John 8:12 KJV
it’s just that the light doesn’t force a person to come to it or stay away from it . We have to choose darkness or light
“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
Isaiah 51:4 KJV
The light and darkness are in the world but which one we choose to be part of is before us
Hey you show more verses that proves there is no freewill as all choices man makes good or evil are influenced.
John 15:19
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Isaiah 46:9-10
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
The will of God will always prevail, the inevitable destiny. Glory to God, for there is none besides him and he will accomplish all his will.
John 15:19
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Isaiah 46:9-10
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
The will of God will always prevail, the inevitable destiny. Glory to God, for there is none besides him and he will accomplish all his will.
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The first thing we should notice when reading this passage of Scripture is that at no time is Eve ever nervous, felt the need to be cautious, alerted about this SERPENT just showing up and began talking to her.
It almost makes me think Eve has seen the SERPENT before or maybe even knows the SERPENT.
As someone raised in a Jewish Christian environment I was taught the Hebrew Torah and Tanakh. We even were taught there's 22 Letters in the Hebrew Alphabet and each letter also is a Mathematical numeral value.
The Hebrew word for SERPENT has 3 possible meanings.
One of those meanings is the same word for angelic light bearer.
Angelic Light Bearer!
Now, let's say the SERPENT talking to Eve was an Angel of Light, or Eve would have believed the Angel was of God.
Is there proof that Satan/Lucifer was an Angel of Light?
We know in Isaiah that Lucifer is called MORNING STAR.
We know in Ezekiel that Satan was addressed as the Cherubim IN THE GARDEN and made perfectly and full of Light.
We even know that the Apostle Paul warned us that Satan could come to us as an ANGEL of LIGHT.
So let's say the SERPENT was as the Hebrew word meaning ANGEL of LIGHT.
Let's say as Ezekiel wrote it was the Cherubim from the Garden.
Eve would have known this ANGEL.
Probably had many interactions with the ANGEL.
Most likely would have never expected the ANGEL to deceive her.
I believe when Eve "saw that the fruit was good to eat" that she never thought she was disobeying God until she ate and then gave to Adam.
I believe she made a choice based upon free will at that moment.
Her only mistake was trusting the ANGEL of LIGHT, something she would have seen as a CHERUBIM in the Garden.
But I must confess, I trust the Hebrew version because the English version has people believing Eve spoke to a snake
It almost makes me think Eve has seen the SERPENT before or maybe even knows the SERPENT.
As someone raised in a Jewish Christian environment I was taught the Hebrew Torah and Tanakh. We even were taught there's 22 Letters in the Hebrew Alphabet and each letter also is a Mathematical numeral value.
The Hebrew word for SERPENT has 3 possible meanings.
One of those meanings is the same word for angelic light bearer.
Angelic Light Bearer!
Now, let's say the SERPENT talking to Eve was an Angel of Light, or Eve would have believed the Angel was of God.
Is there proof that Satan/Lucifer was an Angel of Light?
We know in Isaiah that Lucifer is called MORNING STAR.
We know in Ezekiel that Satan was addressed as the Cherubim IN THE GARDEN and made perfectly and full of Light.
We even know that the Apostle Paul warned us that Satan could come to us as an ANGEL of LIGHT.
So let's say the SERPENT was as the Hebrew word meaning ANGEL of LIGHT.
Let's say as Ezekiel wrote it was the Cherubim from the Garden.
Eve would have known this ANGEL.
Probably had many interactions with the ANGEL.
Most likely would have never expected the ANGEL to deceive her.
I believe when Eve "saw that the fruit was good to eat" that she never thought she was disobeying God until she ate and then gave to Adam.
I believe she made a choice based upon free will at that moment.
Her only mistake was trusting the ANGEL of LIGHT, something she would have seen as a CHERUBIM in the Garden.
But I must confess, I trust the Hebrew version because the English version has people believing Eve spoke to a snake
It almost makes me think Eve has seen the SERPENT before or maybe even knows the SERPENT.”
yeah there was no reason for them to worry or think anyone would lie to them . But think of the simplicity God had said something and then someone else says the opposite about the same thing. It produces a situation where you have to take one or the others bersion about the fruit. Which ever one you choose to follow will lead to the result .
The secret to life everlasting is and has always been whatever God has said about it is the truth and will be as he spoke it. It was true of the fruit and it’s true of Jesus return from heaven at the end of the world. And everything in between also has been , is , or will be as he said it will be.
If we learn to trust what God says about things we’ll overcome the situations when we hear a different voice telling us other things whoever the voice might be.
you know the book of revelation ? It “reveals” things in the Bible like for instance the serpent who deceived and led and leads the whole world astray
“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
Revelation 12:9 KJV
“And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,”
Revelation 20:2
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
Revelation 20:10 KJV
“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
John 8:44 KJV
literally satan “murdered “ mankind with Gods commandment causing them to break it and be cursed with death . Just like skipping some poison into thier drink when they trust you and have no reason to think “ this guy is about to try and kill me “
understanding who Satan was before us and what he did when God created us is important to understand the biblical narrative so in the end we understand why he’ll was created for satan and his angels who rebelled and followed him.
things like this then make sense to us later in the gospel
“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”
Luke 10:18 KJV
“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 12:7-9,
“And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.”
Luke 4:1-13 KJV
Satan was trying to stop the plan of redemption from what he started in Eden when he planted the bad seeds in thier mind. But of course Jesus overcame and never sinned and sacrificed his perfect life for our sins and rose up again in victory holding all the dominion In heaven and on earth.
“He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”
1 John 3:8
“And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”
Jude 1:6 KJV
what the angels did rebelling against God in heaven and trying to kill his beloved mankind and chosen children made in his image . Then being cast into the earth where they are now working to corrupt souls against God . It sounds looney but it’s a really important part of what the Bible says happened but it’s really scattered around in scripture
My point is not to disagree but just to say there’s a lot happening spiritually in this world that many never consider because we can’t physically see it
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
1 Peter 5:8-9 KJV
“Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
Ephesians 6:10-12 KJV
theres a message about a spiritual war that we are part of , a battle plan , armor and light a sword and shield taught us in scripture to keep us safe and strong when the testing of our faith comes. Those things are what will help us that are said by God but we should
Know Satan is going to come right afterwards telling us things like “ that isn’t right , it won’t work for you, it’s not real doesn’t apply he may even say “ don’t listen to Gods word your saved by grace instead “
but he’s done th e same game plan since adams and eve we just need to know whatever God said is going to be true for those he said it to and Satan will always have another contrary message to combat what God said
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and ( 1) preach the gospel to every creature.
(2) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
(3) but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
But there are alot of things said it’s a matter of who we believe in that’s going to be the words we trust and learn from and follow after
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
We could learn a lot from Adam and Eve about what not to do. I think that’s the point of having it written.
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“Hey you show more verses that proves there is no freewill”
😂yeah some people who don’t think we’re able to make a choice , will interpret everything to thier own thought.
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
Deuteronomy 30:19 KJV
God pretty much doesn’t change he’s trying to save us by telling us the truth and calling us to listen and repent before it’s too late
seems like we should start thinking we do have a choice so we can choose Jesus and his ways but everyone has the job of deciding what they are gonna our thier trust in Bro just my opinion .
maybe the deception is “ I have i choice in the better lord so therefore I can’t listen to you and do the things your telling me are life “ but I’m sure that’s not going to be my answer when I’m offered a choice and given a promise based upon it I’m gonna choose the good part with the lord and not kneecap myself my insisting I am not capable of choosing what I believe in wouodnt make sense
nor to them try to convince others “ your not making the wrong choices and don’t need to repent you can’t make any choices not your fault friend don’t think there’s a way to redemption “
It’s the wrong message for sinners and a bond in our mind if that’s what we think
😂yeah some people who don’t think we’re able to make a choice , will interpret everything to thier own thought.
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
Deuteronomy 30:19 KJV
God pretty much doesn’t change he’s trying to save us by telling us the truth and calling us to listen and repent before it’s too late
seems like we should start thinking we do have a choice so we can choose Jesus and his ways but everyone has the job of deciding what they are gonna our thier trust in Bro just my opinion .
maybe the deception is “ I have i choice in the better lord so therefore I can’t listen to you and do the things your telling me are life “ but I’m sure that’s not going to be my answer when I’m offered a choice and given a promise based upon it I’m gonna choose the good part with the lord and not kneecap myself my insisting I am not capable of choosing what I believe in wouodnt make sense
nor to them try to convince others “ your not making the wrong choices and don’t need to repent you can’t make any choices not your fault friend don’t think there’s a way to redemption “
It’s the wrong message for sinners and a bond in our mind if that’s what we think
Have you considered that maybe freewill itself is part of the deception to make man think he can take God's place or forge his own destiny? Every choice they make is influenced, which means there is not actually freewill. Even in errors they cannot thwart the will of God, but can only get themselves caught deeper into the threads of destiny. God's will shall always prevail and it is impossible to thwart God in any ways whatsoever.
Proverbs 19:21
21 There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand.
Proverbs 19:21
21 There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand.
Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7:21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8:21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14:4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7:18
Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7:21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8:21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14:4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7:18
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KJV says darkness cannot comprehend the Light... and the natural man is DEFINED as darkness itself...
and yet we have many saying, the natural man can and will choose to
believe that which he can neither receive nor comprehend nor even hear.
John 1:5
King James Bible
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
New King James Version
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
New American Standard Bible
And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.
NASB 1995
The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
NASB 1977
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
Literal Standard Version
and the light shined in the darkness, and the darkness did not perceive it.
Young's Literal Translation
and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it.
Smith's Literal Translation
And light shines in darkness; and darkness comprehended it not.
and yet we have many saying, the natural man can and will choose to
believe that which he can neither receive nor comprehend nor even hear.
John 1:5
King James Bible
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
New King James Version
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
New American Standard Bible
And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.
NASB 1995
The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
NASB 1977
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
Literal Standard Version
and the light shined in the darkness, and the darkness did not perceive it.
Young's Literal Translation
and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it.
Smith's Literal Translation
And light shines in darkness; and darkness comprehended it not.
Show me one verse that man cannot comprehend and believe the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ....Please.
Glory to the Lord..
No man can choose His Gospel for them to be saved.
Every man, anywhere can choose His Gospel for them to be saved.
Which one glorifies the Lord? I think we all know. I just sleep better at night.
Glory to the Lord..
No man can choose His Gospel for them to be saved.
Every man, anywhere can choose His Gospel for them to be saved.
Which one glorifies the Lord? I think we all know. I just sleep better at night.
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Not if we just choose to Follow Jesus and let his word be our guide it becomes more like a well
Lit path before us and the choice of life sort of is made when we first choose Jesus afterwards we just walk that out and work that out in our deeds.
man is made for this
“But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”
Matthew 4:4 KJV
But man is Not made for this
“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:
We are made to just faithfully hear what God is saying to us and believe it and walk accordingly to that belief in him.
We aren’t made needing to choose between good and evil , Adams transgression placed us there this was created by the knowledge of good and evil
“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
Romans 7:21-23 KJV
this isn’t the situation God put us in , but the situation Adam crafted for us when they partook of the co flu ring inowedge of good and evil that was never meant to be in mankind . We were chosen to just walk with God created to trust our creator and what he told us and not meant to have to bc pose every moment as we do , your correct but we can choose to give our Will back to God now through Christ and just follow after what we learn from him in the gospel believing.
And trusting again his word as mankind is designed to do hear oir makers words and follow where he leads us . He will always lead us to freedom and life if we just trust him and listen to what he himself ( Jesus ) actually said to us in the gospel that promises salvation to believers. One choice really makes the rest for us we choose to follow Jesus and then our actions are fou er Ed by his Will and word rather than us deciding between good and evil we can just follow Jesus now trusting that he is the way and truth and life that he came to preach the truth and promise salvation to all who believe
as we learn we learn what to do , which to follow when we’re faced with two opposing voices and feel there’s a choice to be made we just stick with the one choice we already made which is following our lord and his ways . Then when we mess up and fall short , get off course we can’t forget about forgivness and mercy atonement and real living relationship in Jesus Christ
Lit path before us and the choice of life sort of is made when we first choose Jesus afterwards we just walk that out and work that out in our deeds.
man is made for this
“But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”
Matthew 4:4 KJV
But man is Not made for this
“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:
We are made to just faithfully hear what God is saying to us and believe it and walk accordingly to that belief in him.
We aren’t made needing to choose between good and evil , Adams transgression placed us there this was created by the knowledge of good and evil
“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
Romans 7:21-23 KJV
this isn’t the situation God put us in , but the situation Adam crafted for us when they partook of the co flu ring inowedge of good and evil that was never meant to be in mankind . We were chosen to just walk with God created to trust our creator and what he told us and not meant to have to bc pose every moment as we do , your correct but we can choose to give our Will back to God now through Christ and just follow after what we learn from him in the gospel believing.
And trusting again his word as mankind is designed to do hear oir makers words and follow where he leads us . He will always lead us to freedom and life if we just trust him and listen to what he himself ( Jesus ) actually said to us in the gospel that promises salvation to believers. One choice really makes the rest for us we choose to follow Jesus and then our actions are fou er Ed by his Will and word rather than us deciding between good and evil we can just follow Jesus now trusting that he is the way and truth and life that he came to preach the truth and promise salvation to all who believe
as we learn we learn what to do , which to follow when we’re faced with two opposing voices and feel there’s a choice to be made we just stick with the one choice we already made which is following our lord and his ways . Then when we mess up and fall short , get off course we can’t forget about forgivness and mercy atonement and real living relationship in Jesus Christ
Amen the gospel is able to save anyone
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”
Titus 2:11-14 KJV
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:32
“Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
Luke 24:45-47
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:38-39 KJV
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:32
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”
Titus 2:11-14 KJV
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:32
“Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
Luke 24:45-47
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:38-39 KJV
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:32
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That's because they've been influenced to believe in freewill, which is funny because even that proves there is not freewill since they had to be influenced to believe it exists. It's pretty common in our culture. It's like Hot Topic syndrome really, where basically they claim they are unique nonconformists and to prove it they buy the same exact stuff as millions of others from Hot Topic.
It is kind of amazing though that the topic has come as far as it did without the most obvious verses that totally destroy the premise of freewill being posted yet. Let us watch a little longer then.
It is kind of amazing though that the topic has come as far as it did without the most obvious verses that totally destroy the premise of freewill being posted yet. Let us watch a little longer then.
I have posted quite a few of those verses and they get ignored, denied, swept under the rug etc, and even
universal axioms such as "there are none good but God alone" from the mouth of our Lord and saviour Jesus
Christ Himself are contradicted by the free willers, who on the one hand will say we should believe what the
Bible says, while on the other hand they obviously do not. Which verses do you think have not been posted yet?
My most recent panel displayed these verses:
From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed,
wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7:21-22 Every inclination
of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8:21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14:4
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7:18
No one is good except God alone. Mark 10:18b
universal axioms such as "there are none good but God alone" from the mouth of our Lord and saviour Jesus
Christ Himself are contradicted by the free willers, who on the one hand will say we should believe what the
Bible says, while on the other hand they obviously do not. Which verses do you think have not been posted yet?
My most recent panel displayed these verses:
From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed,
wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7:21-22 Every inclination
of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8:21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14:4
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7:18
No one is good except God alone. Mark 10:18b
You've come the closest, you got in the same chapter that they are found in even, but you just didn't get to the verses. You're focusing too much on the nature of sin and pelagianism though which are a different topic, though they are adjacent to it. That's the best hint I'll give you for now. Let's see if it is your destiny to find them lol
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Yes, I focus on the heart of man, because Scripture explicitly says it is with the heart that one believes,
so how can that evil heart that needs replacing believe that which the inherently hostile-to-God mind
hates, suppresses, cannot even hear etc etc? Since faith comes by hearing. I have even posted verses
that say people do not hear because they cannot and because they do not belong to God, because
there are those who say everyone hears... even though Scripture plainly says otherwise.
so how can that evil heart that needs replacing believe that which the inherently hostile-to-God mind
hates, suppresses, cannot even hear etc etc? Since faith comes by hearing. I have even posted verses
that say people do not hear because they cannot and because they do not belong to God, because
there are those who say everyone hears... even though Scripture plainly says otherwise.