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Its is not and either or question, it is a both and. You can be totally sinless, you can commit accidental sins, you can repent and be sinless again. It is even possible to not commit accidental sins and live the rest of your life with out sin.
I know you love your sin more than God, and will not hear this truth. So rather than going back and forth asking the same question, and getting the same response just move on.
Or do you have no respect for the op or others who would like to have a mature, productive conversation?
I know you love your sin more than God, and will not hear this truth. So rather than going back and forth asking the same question, and getting the same response just move on.
Or do you have no respect for the op or others who would like to have a mature, productive conversation?
Oh so your back to 'temporary sinlessness' again.
Which is actually NOT sinlessness, but just...erm.....normal.
So all this pious blather you keep hammering Christians here about being sinless is just total BUNK right?
Coz you are actually saying all thats involved is not sinning, then sinning and repenting, then not, sinning, then sinning again and repenting.
Which is what we all do. Even you.
Name me one person who has done it apart from Jesus?
No misinterpreted scripture, just a PERFECT human being. How about your apostle at your church? Has he made it yet? Have you?
No....no I think I'll stick around seeing as you're talking to me again. I think we can explore 'accidental sins' a bit further.
I just ate 3 doughnuts really quick washed down with half a carton of milk. In retrosepct it may have abeen a 'mistake' but feels like the sin of gluttony.
Was it an accidental sin?
OP as in opening poster?
No. No respect at all.
Which is actually NOT sinlessness, but just...erm.....normal.
So all this pious blather you keep hammering Christians here about being sinless is just total BUNK right?
Coz you are actually saying all thats involved is not sinning, then sinning and repenting, then not, sinning, then sinning again and repenting.
Which is what we all do. Even you.
Name me one person who has done it apart from Jesus?
No misinterpreted scripture, just a PERFECT human being. How about your apostle at your church? Has he made it yet? Have you?
No....no I think I'll stick around seeing as you're talking to me again. I think we can explore 'accidental sins' a bit further.
I just ate 3 doughnuts really quick washed down with half a carton of milk. In retrosepct it may have abeen a 'mistake' but feels like the sin of gluttony.
Was it an accidental sin?
OP as in opening poster?
No. No respect at all.
Originally Posted by 4runner
Its is not and either or question, it is a both and. You can be totally sinless, you can commit accidental sins, you can repent and be sinless again. It is even possible to not commit accidental sins and live the rest of your life with out sin.
I know you love your sin more than God, and will not hear this truth. So rather than going back and forth asking the same question, and getting the same response just move on.
Or do you have no respect for the op or others who would like to have a mature, productive conversation?
Its is not and either or question, it is a both and. You can be totally sinless, you can commit accidental sins, you can repent and be sinless again. It is even possible to not commit accidental sins and live the rest of your life with out sin.
I know you love your sin more than God, and will not hear this truth. So rather than going back and forth asking the same question, and getting the same response just move on.
Or do you have no respect for the op or others who would like to have a mature, productive conversation?
If we can receive the revelation, of the Bridal Paradigm it will change our lives. If we let this change of perspective root itself in our hearts we will never be the same. Once we know who we are in Christ, the Bride of the King, betrothed to the God that has created all that is, we will remain stedfast, we will crucify our flesh, we will make manifest our Savior, work out our own salvation, purifying ourselves, cleansing ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, we will perfect holiness in the fear of God, we will make ourselves ready for our Bridegroom King. We will adorn ourselves with the righteousness of the saints, clean and white, pure before our God. Sinless, righteous, unblameable, unblemished, without spot or wrinkle. We will shine like the sun, being salt and light to this world, we will walk in all the power, and authority God has always meant for us to walk in. We will happily give up our very lives to remain faithful to our relationship with Him. Once we get this revelation rooted deep in our hearts we will be able to keep God's great commandments to love Him with all our hearts, minds, souls and strength, and love our neighbors as ourselves. We will be set completely free from the bondage of self and sin, releasing us to fulfill the deepest most heartfelt longing of our hearts which is to stand before God truly pure, totally sinless, completely righteous, wholly holy, fully worthy to be an equally yoked Bride for our Messiah.
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Bridal Paradigm The Gospel Masquerade
Mike Bickle and International House of Prayer
Earlier this year the International House of Prayer (IHOP) sponsored a conference in Kansas City entitled Passion for Jesus that was heavily promoted toward young people. The purpose of the conference was to "cultivate intimacy with Jesus." In the conference's second session, IHOP president and director Mike Bickle preached a message based on an allegorical interpretation of a Matthew 25 parable in which he explained his end times theology and "revelation of the bridal paradigm." Bickle claims that Jesus cannot return until something drastically changes in the church: "He is not coming any day. He is not coming until the people of God globally are crying out in intercession with a bridal identity under the anointing of the Spirit.1" If you do not understand what he means by that it is likely because you have read the Bible literally and have never found anything regarding a special anointing that imparts a revelation of a "bridal identity." In fact, much of Bickle's terminology will be strange and foreign to most Christians.
In this article I will show that Bickle's movement is based on allegorized scripture, deeper life pietism, and mysticism, representing a slightly modified version of the heretical Latter Rain movement of the 1940s.
Bickle claims that he began his ministry through the hearing of an audible voice of God in 1983 that told him to start 24-hour prayer in the spirit of the tabernacle of David. He further claims that he erected a sign to that effect and that he himself did not even know what prayer in the spirit of the tabernacle of David was, despite that God had told him to establish it. It turns out that it is "prophetic singing prayers.2" Once they figured out what it was, IHOP was born.
The Latter Rain End-time Scenario...
Critical Issues Commentary: Mike Bickle and International House of Prayer << more
Bridal Paradigm The Gospel Masquerade
Mike Bickle and International House of Prayer
The Latter Rain Redivivus
By Bob DeWaay
By Bob DeWaay
Earlier this year the International House of Prayer (IHOP) sponsored a conference in Kansas City entitled Passion for Jesus that was heavily promoted toward young people. The purpose of the conference was to "cultivate intimacy with Jesus." In the conference's second session, IHOP president and director Mike Bickle preached a message based on an allegorical interpretation of a Matthew 25 parable in which he explained his end times theology and "revelation of the bridal paradigm." Bickle claims that Jesus cannot return until something drastically changes in the church: "He is not coming any day. He is not coming until the people of God globally are crying out in intercession with a bridal identity under the anointing of the Spirit.1" If you do not understand what he means by that it is likely because you have read the Bible literally and have never found anything regarding a special anointing that imparts a revelation of a "bridal identity." In fact, much of Bickle's terminology will be strange and foreign to most Christians.
In this article I will show that Bickle's movement is based on allegorized scripture, deeper life pietism, and mysticism, representing a slightly modified version of the heretical Latter Rain movement of the 1940s.
Bickle claims that he began his ministry through the hearing of an audible voice of God in 1983 that told him to start 24-hour prayer in the spirit of the tabernacle of David. He further claims that he erected a sign to that effect and that he himself did not even know what prayer in the spirit of the tabernacle of David was, despite that God had told him to establish it. It turns out that it is "prophetic singing prayers.2" Once they figured out what it was, IHOP was born.
The Latter Rain End-time Scenario...
Critical Issues Commentary: Mike Bickle and International House of Prayer << more
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i guessed i missed this old thread.
dusty old archives. tsk.
The Bridal Paradigm
The Bridal Paradigm
This is the second of a three part series I taught in Church on Wednesday nights called ''The Bridal Paradigm'', the first lesson is called ''How Then Shall We Live''.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/16900-bridal-paradigm.html
dusty old archives. tsk.
The Bridal Paradigm
This is the second of a three part series I taught in Church on Wednesday nights called ''The Bridal Paradigm'', the first lesson is called ''How Then Shall We Live''.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/16900-bridal-paradigm.html
i guessed i missed this old thread.
dusty old archives. tsk.
The Bridal Paradigm
The Bridal Paradigm
This is the second of a three part series I taught in Church on Wednesday nights called ''The Bridal Paradigm'', the first lesson is called ''How Then Shall We Live''.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/16900-bridal-paradigm.html
dusty old archives. tsk.
The Bridal Paradigm
This is the second of a three part series I taught in Church on Wednesday nights called ''The Bridal Paradigm'', the first lesson is called ''How Then Shall We Live''.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/16900-bridal-paradigm.html
It is part of a 4 part section within the book about knowing who Christ is and who we are in Christ. We need to know Christ as King, Bridegroom and Judge, and also know who we are in Christ. this lesson teaches us to know Jesus as Bridegroom
We must see Jesus as King, Bridegroom, and Judge. Too many times we see Him as one or the other, and not all three. Jesus not only King ruling the world with a fist of iron, with out Love or compassion, but He is also our Bridegroom loving us unconditionally. He is not just our Bridegroom loving us so much that He turns a blind eye to our sin, but He is also our Judge, and He is righteous, and just, therefore He cannot disregard the standard He has place on man for our good. And He is not just our Judge ruling arbitrarily, but He is King, the King that has set up the boundries by which we should live.
wow.
you're moving right along then.
no shortage of converts i reckon.
folks these days love spiritism...just like always.
Kansas City Prophets
Inside a Prophetic Service The "prophet" had the crowd following every word he said, even almost every movement he made, in fact, every sensation he felt in his body!
[Bob Jones] Hmmmm, witchcraft coming again...check that in Jesus' name. I feel pin pricks on me. There's witchcraft comin'...
Then the pastor, Mike Bickle explains to the crowd, When Bob feels pin pricks in his hand, that just show up, that means witchcraft is in this [place]...The phrase that Bob uses is his senses turn golden...His five senses are literally inspired by the Holy Spirit ...He could tell what was happening in the spirit realm from the five senses...1 (See Jude 19)
What's going on here? No, it's not a psychic, it's a fullgospel church service, featuring Mike Bickle and "seer" Bob Jones! Bob Jones is "picking up" witchcraft by the pin prickly feeling inhis hand and Mike Bickle is asking him to elaborate on the wholeconcept of "golden senses," in which 20-30 different signs show upin his physical body to help him divine the spiritual realm. Forexample, his hands turn different colors to indicate things,(purple-royalty, red-intercession, etc).
Did the apostles ever model anything even remotely like this?
Never mind, these men are part of the new breed, they are so anointed that the apostles can't wait to meet them!
As Mike Bickle says, The saints in the New Testament would wait in line to greet the apostles coming from this generation![2]
Who Are the Kansas City Prophets?
cont....http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/8.htm
you're moving right along then.
no shortage of converts i reckon.
folks these days love spiritism...just like always.
Kansas City Prophets
Inside a Prophetic Service The "prophet" had the crowd following every word he said, even almost every movement he made, in fact, every sensation he felt in his body!
[Bob Jones] Hmmmm, witchcraft coming again...check that in Jesus' name. I feel pin pricks on me. There's witchcraft comin'...
Then the pastor, Mike Bickle explains to the crowd, When Bob feels pin pricks in his hand, that just show up, that means witchcraft is in this [place]...The phrase that Bob uses is his senses turn golden...His five senses are literally inspired by the Holy Spirit ...He could tell what was happening in the spirit realm from the five senses...1 (See Jude 19)
What's going on here? No, it's not a psychic, it's a fullgospel church service, featuring Mike Bickle and "seer" Bob Jones! Bob Jones is "picking up" witchcraft by the pin prickly feeling inhis hand and Mike Bickle is asking him to elaborate on the wholeconcept of "golden senses," in which 20-30 different signs show upin his physical body to help him divine the spiritual realm. Forexample, his hands turn different colors to indicate things,(purple-royalty, red-intercession, etc).
Did the apostles ever model anything even remotely like this?
Never mind, these men are part of the new breed, they are so anointed that the apostles can't wait to meet them!
As Mike Bickle says, The saints in the New Testament would wait in line to greet the apostles coming from this generation![2]
Who Are the Kansas City Prophets?
cont....http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/8.htm
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There is lots of type of ''spiritism'' most are demonic, but walking in accordance with the Holy Spirit of God is necessary for godliness
Romans 8
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans 8
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
righteo.
as long as you're enjoying yourself i suppose.
Mike Bickle and IHOP.
Posted on January 10, 2010 by Pilgrim
As a follow-up to Unworthy 1′s post on the International House of Prayer (found here) I’ve decided to post the following eye-opening video I just discovered. The video is a news piece from CBN and is done in a favorable light (imagine that coming from false prophet Pat Robertson’s broadcasting network).
Not only does IHOP’s Mike Binkle (sic) have ties to Bob Jones, but in the beginning of the video the commentator claims that Binkle (sic) says that Christ’s return is dependent upon man.
If I had a nickle for every time one of these Charismatic Charlatans claimed that God was powerless or helpless to do what He wants, and He must rely on us for His will to be accomplished, I’d be a rich man.
SEE VIDEO:Mike Bickle and IHOP. | Defending. Contending.
as long as you're enjoying yourself i suppose.
Mike Bickle and IHOP.
Posted on January 10, 2010 by Pilgrim
As a follow-up to Unworthy 1′s post on the International House of Prayer (found here) I’ve decided to post the following eye-opening video I just discovered. The video is a news piece from CBN and is done in a favorable light (imagine that coming from false prophet Pat Robertson’s broadcasting network).
Not only does IHOP’s Mike Binkle (sic) have ties to Bob Jones, but in the beginning of the video the commentator claims that Binkle (sic) says that Christ’s return is dependent upon man.
If I had a nickle for every time one of these Charismatic Charlatans claimed that God was powerless or helpless to do what He wants, and He must rely on us for His will to be accomplished, I’d be a rich man.
SEE VIDEO:Mike Bickle and IHOP. | Defending. Contending.
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What a crazy thread. I haven't even read all of it.
4runner, I was going to ask for your definition of "sin" and "perfect" so as to better understand. I feel that so much dissension among fellow Christians comes from a lack of word definition. For example, I believe that sin is knowing the right thing to do (in any situation) and choosing not to do it. (James 4:17) also I believe that being perfect is essentially living up to all the light we have. Whatever we know to do, we do it. And as we obey, God shows us more. Therefore, I believe it is possible to live a perfect life as we were commanded (Matt. 5:48) through God's amazing grace!
Anyway, that was just my two cents on the subject so you can see where I'm coming from. Thanks!
4runner, I was going to ask for your definition of "sin" and "perfect" so as to better understand. I feel that so much dissension among fellow Christians comes from a lack of word definition. For example, I believe that sin is knowing the right thing to do (in any situation) and choosing not to do it. (James 4:17) also I believe that being perfect is essentially living up to all the light we have. Whatever we know to do, we do it. And as we obey, God shows us more. Therefore, I believe it is possible to live a perfect life as we were commanded (Matt. 5:48) through God's amazing grace!
Anyway, that was just my two cents on the subject so you can see where I'm coming from. Thanks!