Concerning the gift of tongues

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No problem, i gave you in the past bible verses which you easily ignored.
And again I never said that God is not healing today ! And that God is not answering prayer for healing today!
In opposit pentecostal and charismatic doctrine claims that every believer will be physical healed. Although the bible proof that this is not the case. Healing was in first instance for to proof that Jesus is the son of God ore to proof that the gospel is true.
Not for to guarantee the believer a life free from sickness.
And by the way. I am not hating pentecostals ore charismatics. I just dont believe their unbiblical teachings, because they tend to deceive believers with false promisses. And it hurts not my feelings if someone comes along with a false teaching. It makes me angry,. I saw how destructive such teachings are in the live of church and believers.

Charismatic and Pentecostals do not preach that every believer will be healed. However, we should believe God for health in our bodies. Charismatics and pentecostals also preach that God does heal today and that people are gifted with the gift of healing and working of miracles. the Bible teaches that miracles, signs, and wonders will follow the believers - therefore, we should believe when we pray that people will be healed. If someone is not healed, then I always tell them to keep the faith, keep believing, and keep declaring the word of God until something changes or you die and be with Jesus.
 

CS1

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No problem, i gave you in the past bible verses which you easily ignored.
And again, I never said that God is not healing today! And that God is not answering prayer for healing today!
In contrast, Pentecostal and charismatic doctrine claims that every believer will be physically healed. Although the bible proves that this is not the case. Healing was in the first instance to prove that Jesus is God's son or that the gospel is true. (Show me where the Word of God says this?)
Not for to guarantee the believer a life free from sickness. ( show me where in the Bibe it says this chapter verse?)
And by the way. I am not hating pentecostals ore charismatics. I just dont believe their unbiblical teachings, because they tend to deceive believers with false promises. And it hurts not my feelings if someone comes with a false teaching. It makes me angry. I saw how destructive such teachings are in the live of church and believers.

That is a lie. Again, I know it's hard for you to be truthful, so NOT all Pentecostals believe that every believer will be healed. You're very ingenious to Pentacostals yet ignorant of them. Pentecostals teach that all believers can be healed, YET God is the one who heals. Healing is not permanent because the body is dying; we all will die a physical death. But we pray and ask Gd to have mercy, save, and heal. God says yet, no, and not yet. As for your false claim, the Bible is full of testimony of Jesus healing ALL. But there was one place he could do no miracles, why?

Matthew 13:58 And so he did only a few miracles there because of their unbelief.
 

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Well, if I am not wrong then according Acts 2 and 10 the Holy Spirit came to them without they expecting that he will come. He fell to the believers, and all where surprised.
So if speaking in tongues is the sign that someone receive the Holy Spirit. This would be a normal expierience for every believer from Pentecost during the whole history till today.
No teaching how to receive, no fastingprayer, no special hand lay upon.
Instead when it manifestet in 1906, people has to come to Azusa street meetings for to spread it into the world.
The result was a chisma between the believers worldwide.
LOL you are wrong.

Jesus can appear to Peter in a vision:



Acts 10:

9The next day at about the sixth hour,c as the men were approaching the city on their journey, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.

11He saw heaven open and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals and reptiles of the earth, as well as birds of the air. 13Then a voice said to him: “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!”

14“No, Lord!” Peter answered. “I have never eaten anything impured or unclean.”

15The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

16 This happened three times, and all at once the sheet was taken back up into heaven.

17While Peter was puzzling over the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found Simon’s house and approached the gate.

18They called out to ask if Simon called Peter was staying there.

19 As Peter continued to reflect on the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you. 20 So get up! Go downstairs and accompany them without hesitation, because I have sent them.”

21 So Peter went down to the men and said, “Here am I, the one you are looking for. Why have you come?”

22“Cornelius the centurion has sent us,” they said. “He is a righteous and God-fearing man with a good reputation among the whole Jewish nation. A holy angel instructed him to request your presence in his home so he could hear a message from you.”

Peter went, and this is what Peter said to Cornelius


34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him. 36 The word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ—He is Lord of all— 37 that word you know, which was proclaimed throughout all Judea, and began from Galilee after the baptism which John preached: 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem, whom they killed by hanging on a tree. 40 Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly, 41 not to all the people, but to witnesses chosen before by God, even to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead. 42 And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead. 43 To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”


44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

Those on the Day of Pentecost did not know they would speak in tongues either, so your point is not founded.

Acts 2:1-4
 
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Faith without works is dead.
And saving faith requires correct knowledge of GRFS:

The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:
  1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
  2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (MT 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18, RM 2:5-11).
  3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (RM 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1CR 15:14-28).
  4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
  5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (JN 14:6, 17&26, RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
(BOTH-AND :^)
 

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When the "perfect" is come, it's not about the full canon being complete, making us complete. My proof? All of us on this chat!!
IF that were the perfect, there would be no fussing about theology on this site.
Christ will make us "perfect" when He changes us in the twinkling of an eye!
When we see Him "face to face".
If the perfect was the other, there would be no armchair theologians arguing in here about it. You are your own witness that it's not true..
 

Lamar

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Except she clearly said it is the holy spirit in her that does it there is a difference
Are you implying that ocean has no control over this ability? Is she simply a vessel used by the Holy Spirit to speak in unknown languages? If so this sounds like the occult.
 

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Are you implying that ocean has no control over this ability? Is she simply a vessel used by the Holy Spirit to speak in unknown languages? If so this sounds like the occult.
No he isn't. The ability of you cessies to attempt to create a false dialogue is cheap and childish. I could ask, 'Is your house really as crooked as the one in your avatar?' Well of course not and your constant false, but deliberate, contentions are the offerings of someone who does not want actual conversation.

BTW, we are ALL vessels of one kind of another. Some speak with the encouragement or inspiration of the Holy Spirit and some speak from a false spirit and some speak from ignorance, while others speak from a desire to try to falsify what they either do not wish others to have because they don't have it or they are just plain nasty.
 

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Except she clearly said it is the holy spirit in her that does it there is a difference
Yeah that has been established. However, since they have nothing new to offer, it means they need to start another round of what they already proffered. Childish and very insincere.
 

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When the "perfect" is come, it's not about the full canon being complete, making us complete. My proof? All of us on this chat!!
IF that were the perfect, there would be no fussing about theology on this site.
Christ will make us "perfect" when He changes us in the twinkling of an eye!
When we see Him "face to face".
If the perfect was the other, there would be no armchair theologians arguing in here about it. You are your own witness that it's not true..
Regardless of what the "perfect" is, the miraculous can be ended at God's discretion.

He does not need to warn us of its ending.
 

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Regardless of what the "perfect" is, the miraculous can be ended at God's discretion.

He does not need to warn us of its ending.
You are incorrect.
Amos 3
3Do two people walk together unless they have agreed to meet?
4Does a lion roar in the forest when he has no prey?
Does a young lion [e]growl from his den unless he has captured something?
5Does a bird fall into a trap on the ground when there is no [f]device in it?
Does a trap spring up from the earth when it captures nothing at all?
6If a trumpet is blown in a city, will the people not tremble?
If a disaster occurs in a city, has the LORD not brought it about?

7[g]Certainly the Lord [h]GOD does nothing
Unless He reveals His secret plan
To His servants the prophets.
 

Lamar

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You are incorrect.
Amos 3
3Do two people walk together unless they have agreed to meet?
4Does a lion roar in the forest when he has no prey?
Does a young lion [e]growl from his den unless he has captured something?
5Does a bird fall into a trap on the ground when there is no [f]device in it?
Does a trap spring up from the earth when it captures nothing at all?
6If a trumpet is blown in a city, will the people not tremble?
If a disaster occurs in a city, has the LORD not brought it about?

7[g]Certainly the Lord [h]GOD does nothing
Unless He reveals His secret plan
To His servants the prophets.
Which prophet did God "reveal" the ceasing of the manna to or did it simply stop?