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God allowed them to eat certain meat Jesus even ate fish after the resurrection but, certain meat was unclean they could not eat it.
lesson in the Old Testament also, and are ok to eat...not a buzzard of coarse i agree
not all food is the same.
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Im not doubting there is unhealthy food, but alot of the unclean animals were a picture
lesson in the Old Testament also, and are ok to eat...not a buzzard of coarse i agree
not all food is the same.
lesson in the Old Testament also, and are ok to eat...not a buzzard of coarse i agree
not all food is the same.
L
Well I was speaking of your spiritual diet and keeping your thoughts on God and heavenly things. But I started this thread along time ago and will let yo'll have fun
1 Thessalonians 5:23
(23) And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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probably have an excuse for this one too, eehhh?
1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;
I don't advocate gluttony and sloth but the dietary laws of the OT have been done away with along with the sacrificial laws. Or do you maintain Kosher Laodicea?
Jesus explained the spirit of the ten commandments given to Moses on the Sermon of the Mount and summed up and showed how all the laws hang on just two: Love God and Love your neighbor.
how does refusing to eat what your neighbor sets before you show your love?
1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;
I don't advocate gluttony and sloth but the dietary laws of the OT have been done away with along with the sacrificial laws. Or do you maintain Kosher Laodicea?
Jesus explained the spirit of the ten commandments given to Moses on the Sermon of the Mount and summed up and showed how all the laws hang on just two: Love God and Love your neighbor.
how does refusing to eat what your neighbor sets before you show your love?
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Matthew 15:16-20
(16) And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
(17) Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
(18) But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
(19) For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
(20) These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
Mark 7:2-5
(2) And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
(3) For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
(4) And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
(5) Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
Genesis 1:29
(29) And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
This is talking about food eaten during the ceremonial feasts, Jesus put an end to the ceremonial feasts.
Daniel 9:27
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(16) And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
(17) Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
(18) But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
(19) For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
(20) These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
Mark 7:2-5
(2) And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
(3) For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
(4) And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
(5) Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
Genesis 1:29
(29) And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
This is talking about food eaten during the ceremonial feasts, Jesus put an end to the ceremonial feasts.
Daniel 9:27
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
L
probably have an excuse for this one too, eehhh?
1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;
I don't advocate gluttony and sloth but the dietary laws of the OT have been done away with along with the sacrificial laws. Or do you maintain Kosher Laodicea?
Jesus explained the spirit of the ten commandments given to Moses on the Sermon of the Mount and summed up and showed how all the laws hang on just two: Love God and Love your neighbor.
how does refusing to eat what your neighbor sets before you show your love?
1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;
I don't advocate gluttony and sloth but the dietary laws of the OT have been done away with along with the sacrificial laws. Or do you maintain Kosher Laodicea?
Jesus explained the spirit of the ten commandments given to Moses on the Sermon of the Mount and summed up and showed how all the laws hang on just two: Love God and Love your neighbor.
how does refusing to eat what your neighbor sets before you show your love?
(7) Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you.
(8) And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.
Deuteronomy 14:10
(10) And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.
Deuteronomy 14:12-19
(12) But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
(13) And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,
(14) And every raven after his kind,
(15) And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
(16) The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,
(17) And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cormorant,
(18) And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
(19) And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.
So are you saying that everything on this list is now clean? What was it about the death of Christ that made this clean? I thought Jesus died for our sin not to make the unclean clean. The laws of health are separate to the ceremonial laws and the 10 commandments. our health will affect our spiritual life.
Do you believe that our bodies are not our own? That God wants us to take care of His property?
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Deuteronomy 14:7-8
(7) Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you.
(8) And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.
Deuteronomy 14:10
(10) And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.
Deuteronomy 14:12-19
(12) But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
(13) And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,
(14) And every raven after his kind,
(15) And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
(16) The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,
(17) And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cormorant,
(18) And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
(19) And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.
So are you saying that everything on this list is now clean? What was it about the death of Christ that made this clean? I thought Jesus died for our sin not to make the unclean clean. The laws of health are separate to the ceremonial laws and the 10 commandments. our health will affect our spiritual life.
Do you believe that our bodies are not our own? That God wants us to take care of His property?
(7) Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you.
(8) And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.
Deuteronomy 14:10
(10) And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.
Deuteronomy 14:12-19
(12) But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
(13) And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,
(14) And every raven after his kind,
(15) And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
(16) The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,
(17) And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cormorant,
(18) And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
(19) And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.
So are you saying that everything on this list is now clean? What was it about the death of Christ that made this clean? I thought Jesus died for our sin not to make the unclean clean. The laws of health are separate to the ceremonial laws and the 10 commandments. our health will affect our spiritual life.
Do you believe that our bodies are not our own? That God wants us to take care of His property?
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Since Jesus himself said we aren't defiled by what we eat I'm going to go ahead and believe him.
Matthew 15:16-20
(16) And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
(17) Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
(18) But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
(19) For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
(20) These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
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Jesus was talking about eating with unwashed hands
Matthew 15:16-20
(16) And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
(17) Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
(18) But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
(19) For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
(20) These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
Matthew 15:16-20
(16) And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
(17) Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
(18) But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
(19) For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
(20) These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
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Deut 14
(19) And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.
Locust crawl and fly yet John the Baptist ate them.
Matthew 3:4
Now John himself was clothed in camel’s hair, with a leather belt around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey.
you are just trying to place man made laws upon God's people that God did NOT place upon them.
there is a difference and I would not recommend you eat things listed below but if God told you to cook your food over human dung what would by YOUR reaction?
If God told you to go to a person's house and eat whatever they set before you and it was not kosher, would you say "no God I would rather follow these words on a page then YOU?"
Ezekiel 4:14-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 So I said, “Ah, Lord GOD! Indeed I have never defiled myself from my youth till now; I have never eaten what died of itself or was torn by beasts, nor has abominable flesh ever come into my mouth.”
15 Then He said to me, “See, I am giving you cow dung instead of human waste, and you shall prepare your bread over it.”
It is between you and God and your conscience sears you concerning food, it seems. Makes me wonder your position on marriage.
(19) And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.
Locust crawl and fly yet John the Baptist ate them.
Matthew 3:4
Now John himself was clothed in camel’s hair, with a leather belt around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey.
you are just trying to place man made laws upon God's people that God did NOT place upon them.
there is a difference and I would not recommend you eat things listed below but if God told you to cook your food over human dung what would by YOUR reaction?
If God told you to go to a person's house and eat whatever they set before you and it was not kosher, would you say "no God I would rather follow these words on a page then YOU?"
Ezekiel 4:14-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 So I said, “Ah, Lord GOD! Indeed I have never defiled myself from my youth till now; I have never eaten what died of itself or was torn by beasts, nor has abominable flesh ever come into my mouth.”
15 Then He said to me, “See, I am giving you cow dung instead of human waste, and you shall prepare your bread over it.”
It is between you and God and your conscience sears you concerning food, it seems. Makes me wonder your position on marriage.
L
Deut 14
(19) And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.
Locust crawl and fly yet John the Baptist ate them.
Matthew 3:4
Now John himself was clothed in camel’s hair, with a leather belt around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey.
you are just trying to place man made laws upon God's people that God did NOT place upon them.
there is a difference and I would not recommend you eat things listed below but if God told you to cook your food over human dung what would by YOUR reaction?
If God told you to go to a person's house and eat whatever they set before you and it was not kosher, would you say "no God I would rather follow these words on a page then YOU?"
Ezekiel 4:14-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 So I said, “Ah, Lord GOD! Indeed I have never defiled myself from my youth till now; I have never eaten what died of itself or was torn by beasts, nor has abominable flesh ever come into my mouth.”
15 Then He said to me, “See, I am giving you cow dung instead of human waste, and you shall prepare your bread over it.”
It is between you and God and your conscience sears you concerning food, it seems. Makes me wonder your position on marriage.
(19) And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.
Locust crawl and fly yet John the Baptist ate them.
Matthew 3:4
Now John himself was clothed in camel’s hair, with a leather belt around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey.
you are just trying to place man made laws upon God's people that God did NOT place upon them.
there is a difference and I would not recommend you eat things listed below but if God told you to cook your food over human dung what would by YOUR reaction?
If God told you to go to a person's house and eat whatever they set before you and it was not kosher, would you say "no God I would rather follow these words on a page then YOU?"
Ezekiel 4:14-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 So I said, “Ah, Lord GOD! Indeed I have never defiled myself from my youth till now; I have never eaten what died of itself or was torn by beasts, nor has abominable flesh ever come into my mouth.”
15 Then He said to me, “See, I am giving you cow dung instead of human waste, and you shall prepare your bread over it.”
It is between you and God and your conscience sears you concerning food, it seems. Makes me wonder your position on marriage.
A
Now you sound silly, what has marriage got to do with this. So I promote a good healthy diet and you don't like it. Don't you know that a vege diet is the best.
i'm not trying to be silly but what are your views on marriage?
L
nope Jesus ate fish. I wanna be like Jesus not vegans. most vegans I know are Hindu.
i'm not trying to be silly but what are your views on marriage?
i'm not trying to be silly but what are your views on marriage?
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Deuteronomy 14:7-8
(7) Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you.
(8) And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.
Genesis 7:2
(2) Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
(7) Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you.
(8) And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.
Genesis 7:2
(2) Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
I will share with you that your perception of swine and the law is wrong; because you have considered in the flesh, and not in the Spirit. The Jews kept this law according to the flesh, and did not know what was in their hands to do according to God's will. I should have this ready by tomorrow. But in the mean time, consider the vision Peter was given. It has a Truth hidden in it.
L
I will share with you that your perception of swine and the law is wrong; because you have considered in the flesh, and not in the Spirit. The Jews kept this law according to the flesh, and did not know what was in their hands to do according to God's will. I should have this ready by tomorrow. But in the mean time, consider the vision Peter was given. It has a Truth hidden in it.
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I will share with you that your perception of swine and the law is wrong; because you have considered in the flesh, and not in the Spirit. The Jews kept this law according to the flesh, and did not know what was in their hands to do according to God's will. I should have this ready by tomorrow. But in the mean time, consider the vision Peter was given. It has a Truth hidden in it.
Deuteronomy 14; You are the children of the Lord your God;
The swine is unclean to you, because it has cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud; You shall not eat their flesh nor touch their dead carcasses.
In Proverbs 11;22 There is a clear distinction between God’s will and the nature of a creature who does not carefully consider (lacking discernment of God’s will) the Word of God as food for His people.
Mark 5;1 thru 20, Concerning law and words of the prophets: Both speak of a man’s nature who does not carefully consider God’s Word as food for the eternal soul of His people. Jesus revealed through parable life language how this specific form of sin overcomes a man who does not carefully consider God’s Will. This is the nature of a creature which is illegal for God’s people to partake of. But make note! Jesus reveals another facet of that law. That nature which does not carefully consider God’s Word is in fact a legal place for demons to enter into. This is what takes place within a man who has made himself a legal place for demons to enter. He does not casually walk towards his death That creature ran as if down a hill to it’s own death! Though it has cloven hooves, the direction the swine takes is according to the things that seem right to it.
All biblical language of the swine in both Old and New Testament speak from this same wisdom given by the hand of God. It is not until that creature nature is slain by the Word of God and tried by fire (the Holy Spirit) that a man is made clean. Evidence of this: “What I have made clean no man shall call unclean” and “rise Peter, kill and eat.” Jesus did not come to destroy the law; He came to fulfill the law. Concerning teaching of law in regards to the swine; Jesus reveals to us how it is possible by God’s will this law can be fulfilled in each of us from within.
Concerning specific creature natures in biblical language, this is similar understanding of a cloven hoof that measures (discernment) in the walk that;
does
or
does not
carefully consider God’s Word as food for the soul.
These are two types (“according to each kind” ) of creatures.
The creature nature that does not carefully consider its food (chew the cud) is not only written into law, Jesus reveals how this law speaks of the nature of a demon possessed man who did not carefully consider the Word of God until in his suffering that man ran to Jesus to worship Him.
The teaching of the demon possessed man reveals why it is illegal for God’s people to partake of a creature nature that does not carefully consider its food. That specific nature is a legal place for demons to enter into; and speaks of the things that take place in a man when he does not carefully consider God’s Word as food for his own eternal soul.
Jesus brought evidence of the nature of a creature plagued by the affects of sin and joined that understanding with the creature nature of swine that does not carefully consider its food, and, why the Law was given to God’s people concerning the swine.
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Now you sound silly, what has marriage got to do with this. So I promote a good healthy diet and you don't like it. Don't you know that a vege diet is the best.
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats..." (1st Timothy 4:1-3)
Matthew 15:9, "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."