The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

[BillG]

Any requirement to be baptised in the name of Jesus only to be saved below?

Acts 15:16-29
16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the Lord who does all these things.’
18 “Known to God from eternity are all His works.
19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God,
20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

The Jerusalem Decree

22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.
23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment—
25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
Farewell.

 

[Wansvic]

Look at the example you shared. Paul asked had they received the Spirit since they believed. Since they had believed, they were saved already. Hence, they belonged to Christ and had been baptized already BY the Spirit into Christ. Thus, the question was essentially had they received the promise of the Father, which is the baptism WITH the Spirit.
You continue to conflate the 2, and this is the cause of your error.

Paul asked the question because he understood there was more to being saved than belief alone. Scripture does not indicate a person is automatically saved upon belief. Belief is the beginning of one's journey toward salvation.

Jesus said to those who believed on Him, IF you continue in my word then are you my disciples indeed, and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. (John 8:31-32) Those who believe God's word take a step of faith and find what they believed was in fact true; their spiritual eyes open.

And, Paul instructed believers to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. (Php. 2:12)

 

[Cameron143]

Paul asked the question because he understood there was more to being saved than belief alone. Scripture does not indicate a person is automatically saved upon belief. Belief is the beginning of one's journey toward salvation.

Jesus said to those who believed on Him, IF you continue in my word then are you my disciples indeed, and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. (John 8:31-32) Those who believe God's word take a step of faith and find what they believed was in fact true; their spiritual eyes open.

And, Paul instructed believers to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. (Php. 2:12)

Your first paragraph is false. When one believes, they are saved.
You second paragraph is true. Those who believe are progressively set free and will continue in His Word; but not to get saved, but because they are saved.
Your last paragraph is wrong because you attempted to isolate a verse out of context. Philippians 2:12 is to be viewed in relationship to 2:13. We are to work out our salvation in light of the work God is doing internally in us. This requires that we are in relationship to God already.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

As uncomfortable as it may be, no matter how good intentioned a person may be does not change what's stated in God's word. However, God will lead those whose heart is set on Him to the truth. The account of Cornelius is a perfect example. (Acts 10:22-48) And as seen many times in scripture, God sent people to those who were unaware they needed further information and/or instruction, one example is found in Acts 19. In each of the cases, the people humbled themselves and accepted God's leading to the saving of their souls.

I'm reminded of Jesus' words, those who hunger and thirst after righteousness will be filled. And that those who seek will find...The question is will those who have been led accept or reject what they've been shown?

Yeah I agree .but what a person knows and does t know matters God takes itni to account like you would if you had a child who didn’t understand something and was trying to do what you said …..technicalities arent something god holds against us if we don’t understand

“If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them.”
‭‭James‬ ‭4:17‬ ‭NIV‬‬

what I’m saying is a lot of people heard about baptism and got baptized but whatever pastor baptized them didn’t understand this verse

“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19‬ ‭NIV‬‬

tech icalities aren’t what the issue is it’s when you know something and willfully intentionally don’t do it . Or you I or something is sin and then you willfully do it anyways

bit of course Gods word doesn’t change …. Unfortunately everyone doesn’t underersnd every aspect and detail of it . god isn’t about what’s on paper but the spirit and intent within this word

But again just my opinion the fact that sometimes I have a different thought or opinion from some of you doesn’t mean I’m right and you’re wrong . It’s just coming to know the lord ….he isn’t looking for reasons and technicalities in order to disqualify people he’s looking for any acknolwedgement on thier part of him so he can save them

 

[lrs68]

Did Paul preach to them?

After discovering they were baptized by John.

 

[Wansvic]

what is the actual formula (for lack of a better word) for salvation? is it the blood of Christ plus water?

I am well aware of the water presentation having been over it more than once but what actually saves? did the High Priest get wet before entering the holy of holies or did he enter through blood sacrifice?

how about Hebrews 9:12? is it water or blood that is on the mercy seat in heaven?

water baptism is for identification with Christ in His death. as per scripture

Peter explained that born again believers are a royal priesthood. The OT ordination of the High Priest and His sons foreshadows the reality God set in place in the NT.
Aaron (the high priest) AND his sons were washed from head to toe. (the antitype is water baptism) Afterward they received their garments. And they were anointed with oil. (the antitype being the Holy Spirit) Afterward, they were marked with the blood of the sacrifice.

Ex 29:4-21
And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.
5 And thou shalt take the garments, and put upon Aaron the coat, and the robe of the ephod, and the ephod, and the breastplate, and gird him with the curious girdle of the ephod:
6 And thou shalt put the mitre upon his head, and put the holy crown upon the mitre.
7 Then shalt thou take the anointing oil, and pour it upon his head, and anoint him.
8 And thou shalt bring his sons, and put coats upon them.
9 And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, and put the bonnets on them: and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons.
10 And thou shalt cause a bullock to be brought before the tabernacle of the congregation: and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the bullock.
11 And thou shalt kill the bullock before the Lord, by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
12 And thou shalt take of the blood of the bullock, and put it upon the horns of the altar with thy finger, and pour all the blood beside the bottom of the altar.
13 And thou shalt take all the fat that covereth the inwards, and the caul that is above the liver, and the two kidneys, and the fat that is upon them, and burn them upon the altar.
14 But the flesh of the bullock, and his skin, and his dung, shalt thou burn with fire without the camp: it is a sin offering.
15 Thou shalt also take one ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram.
16 And thou shalt slay the ram, and thou shalt take his blood, and sprinkle it round about upon the altar.
17 And thou shalt cut the ram in pieces, and wash the inwards of him, and his legs, and put them unto his pieces, and unto his head.
18 And thou shalt burn the whole ram upon the altar: it is a burnt offering unto the Lord: it is a sweet savour, an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
19 And thou shalt take the other ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram.
20 Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.
21 And thou shalt take of the blood that is upon the altar, and of the anointing oil, and sprinkle it upon Aaron, and upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon the garments of his sons with him: and he shall be hallowed, and his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him.
KJV

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

If Holy Ghost is a “title”, then what is the name of the Holy Ghost?

Since all of God’s word is true and divinely inspired, Matthew 28:18-19 is true and divinely inspired, what do you think Jesus is talking about and how were the disciples to carry it out?

Well to start with, Jesus who was God, and God who said besides him there is no savior, is one name.

Just like the scripture said there. Baptize in the name,not names, of....
What is the name of...God?

Another thing, we are Saved the moment we believe. If we are not emersed in water we are still saved.

If not true,then missionaries to arud deserts is a waste of time.

 

[Wansvic]

Water baptism doesn't save. Believing into the Lord Jesus Christ is what saves. They clearly had already believed.

Paul assumed they believed and therefore understood believing in and of itself did not accomplish their having received the Holy Spirit. And further the account reveals once they did believe in the risen Christ, and submitted to water baptism they still did not have the Holy Spirit. It was when Paul laid hands upon them that they actually received the Holy Spirit. (Acts 19:1-7)

 

[ocean]

Peter explained that born again believers are a royal priesthood. The OT ordination of the High Priest and His sons foreshadows the reality God set in place in the NT.
Aaron (the high priest) AND his sons were washed from head to toe. (the antitype is water baptism) Afterward they received their garments. And they were anointed with oil. (the antitype being the Holy Spirit) Afterward, they were marked with the blood of the sacrifice.

Ex 29:4-21
And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.
5 And thou shalt take the garments, and put upon Aaron the coat, and the robe of the ephod, and the ephod, and the breastplate, and gird him with the curious girdle of the ephod:
6 And thou shalt put the mitre upon his head, and put the holy crown upon the mitre.
7 Then shalt thou take the anointing oil, and pour it upon his head, and anoint him.
8 And thou shalt bring his sons, and put coats upon them.
9 And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, and put the bonnets on them: and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons.
10 And thou shalt cause a bullock to be brought before the tabernacle of the congregation: and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the bullock.
11 And thou shalt kill the bullock before the Lord, by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
12 And thou shalt take of the blood of the bullock, and put it upon the horns of the altar with thy finger, and pour all the blood beside the bottom of the altar.
13 And thou shalt take all the fat that covereth the inwards, and the caul that is above the liver, and the two kidneys, and the fat that is upon them, and burn them upon the altar.
14 But the flesh of the bullock, and his skin, and his dung, shalt thou burn with fire without the camp: it is a sin offering.
15 Thou shalt also take one ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram.
16 And thou shalt slay the ram, and thou shalt take his blood, and sprinkle it round about upon the altar.
17 And thou shalt cut the ram in pieces, and wash the inwards of him, and his legs, and put them unto his pieces, and unto his head.
18 And thou shalt burn the whole ram upon the altar: it is a burnt offering unto the Lord: it is a sweet savour, an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
19 And thou shalt take the other ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram.
20 Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.
21 And thou shalt take of the blood that is upon the altar, and of the anointing oil, and sprinkle it upon Aaron, and upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon the garments of his sons with him: and he shall be hallowed, and his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him.
KJV

and thou shalt post unrelated scripture and massage it until it suits you

how about answering the questions I asked? What is on the mercy seat in heaven? water or blood?

you can fling up all the detour please go around posts you want but you are only fooling yourself

 

[Aaron56]

Peter explained that born again believers are a royal priesthood. The OT ordination of the High Priest and His sons foreshadows the reality God set in place in the NT.
Aaron (the high priest) AND his sons were washed from head to toe. (the antitype is water baptism)

The reality of the priestly washings of the Law is actually the blood of Christ:

13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

John confirms this in Revelation:

"So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb"

Ceremonial washing was an outward sign. Christ's blood actually changes the person inwardly. Their standing as priest, then, is not in anything they accomplished but only in the work of Christ.

 

[Cameron143]

After discovering they were baptized by John.

No he doesn't preach to them. If Paul was concerned for their salvation, he would have preached the gospel to them. Instead, he baptized them in Jesus name and laid hands on them.

 

[ocean]

The Blood from an acceptable sacrifice is what saves and the belief that it truly happened.

uh....please explain acceptable sacrifice and how many do you believe there are. you might also quote the post you are responding to avoid confusion thanks

 

[Wansvic]

Nope.

God IS Spirit

Jesus is the Word who became flesh

The Holy Spirit we first read about at creation when He hovered over the face of the waters and now plays a major part in the life of the believer

Your belief is actually considered to be heresy as are other misrepresentations of the Godhead

So the Holy Spirit Not God created the Heavens and the Earth? Really? And I suppose you believe that Jesus is not God's Son since the Holy Spirit is the one who overshadowed Mary to cause her to conceive.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD! John 1:1

3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
4: 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" 1 Tim 3:16-4:1

 

[ocean]

Not on this site.
None of them have the balls to answer the question "Am I saved or not if I have been baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

Makes you wonder why?
Let's be honest Jesus made it clear that we are saved by faith

Romans 10:8-12
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.

Who was Peter addressing at Pentecost.
The Jews. Isreal

Acts 2:36-38
36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

The Gentiles wouldn't want to go to the Pentecost gathering.

I once had that question answered by the wansvic himself. he said no you are not saved. under a diff profile than the one I have now

its just heretical and I don't know why they continue on as though it were not

 

[Cameron143]

Paul assumed they believed and therefore understood believing in and of itself did not accomplish their having received the Holy Spirit. And further the account reveals once they did believe in the risen Christ, and submitted to water baptism they still did not have the Holy Spirit. It was when Paul laid hands upon them that they actually received the Holy Spirit. (Acts 19:1-7)

They already possessed the Spirit when they believed. What they had not received was the baptism with the Spirit.
At any rate, I know you have heard the truth though you do not acknowledge it as such. Appreciate the discussion. Grace and peace.

 

[ocean]

So the Holy Spirit Not God created the Heavens and the Earth? Really? And I suppose you believe that Jesus is not God's Son since the Holy Spirit is the one who overshadowed Mary to cause her to conceive.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD! John 1:1

3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
4: 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" 1 Tim 3:16-4:1

That is not what I said. Have you read what God thinks of those who are not truthful? Don't suppose anything where I am concerned. We are not in grade 3 here. I have zero respect for the way you twist and just downright change what people say. Do you suppose we are all ignorant and stupid?

Get real. This is supposed to be a Christian forum and you are playing games

 

[ocean]

what is the actual formula (for lack of a better word) for salvation? is it the blood of Christ plus water?

I am well aware of the water presentation having been over it more than once but what actually saves? did the High Priest get wet before entering the holy of holies or did he enter through blood sacrifice?

how about Hebrews 9:12? is it water or blood that is on the mercy seat in heaven?

water baptism is for identification with Christ in His death. as per scripture

 

[Aaron56]

So the Holy Spirit Not God created the Heavens and the Earth? Really? And I suppose you believe that Jesus is not God's Son since the Holy Spirit is the one who overshadowed Mary to cause her to conceive.

Ah, I now remember why I muted you. Garbage posts like your quote.

 

[ocean]

Ceremonial washing was an outward sign. Christ's blood actually changes the person inwardly. Their standing as priest, then, is not in anything they accomplished but only in the work of Christ.

The emphasis is always on blood and our salvation only through the blood of Christ. Great post

 

[ocean]

Ah, I now remember why I muted you. Garbage posts like your quote.

Right. It's like click your shoes together 3 times and say wansvic and you too will see the oneness smh