The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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A diferença entre o batismo em nome da Trindade e apenas em nome de Deus (ou de Jesus) está na teologia subjacente (trinitária vs. unicista), na facilidade eclesial e na interpretação das Escrituras. A fórmula trinitária é a mais amplamente aceita no Cristianismo histórico, mas o batismo unicista reflete uma visão válida em certas comunidades. O que Deus deseja, com base na Bíblia, é um coração sincero, fé em Cristo e uma vida transformada, mais do que uma fórmula específica. A escolha da prática deve respeitar a consciência do crente e a tradição da comunidade.
 

Wansvic

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While the apostles were certainly not clear on many things, they had received revelation spiritually before. When Peter referred to Jesus as the Christ and the Son of the living God in Matthew 16, Jesus says Peter received this of the Father. Receiving revelation wasn't exactly new to them. Further, as Jesus identifies this with the building of the church, it's difficult to believe the disciples weren't already saved.
I also agree with@Aaron56 that it was not the promise of the Father. So what was the purpose?
Jesus said, I will build my church, not I am building it at this point. And Jesus said he would give Peter the keys to the kingdom. (Matt 16:18-19) Jesus also told Peter to feed His lambs, His sheep, and again feed His sheep. (John 21:15-17) Peter did as Jesus instructed, he initially presented the keys to the kingdom at Pentecost, and assisted the Samaritans in their pursuit to receive the Holy Ghost after they believed the gospel and submitted to water baptism in the name of Jesus, and presented them to the Gentiles as well. (Acts 2:4-42, 8:12-18, 10:43-48)
 

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Jesus said, I will build my church, not I am building it at this point. And Jesus said he would give Peter the keys to the kingdom. (Matt 16:18-19) Jesus also told Peter to feed His lambs, His sheep, and again feed His sheep. (John 21:15-17) Peter did as Jesus instructed, he initially presented the keys to the kingdom at Pentecost, and assisted the Samaritans in their pursuit to receive the Holy Ghost after they believed the gospel and submitted to water baptism in the name of Jesus, and presented them to the Gentiles as well. (Acts 2:4-42, 8:12-18, 10:43-48)
Peter already met the requirement.
 

Wansvic

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If the Comforter was with them or in them, why Did Jesus say I must GO! or the Comforter will not come, and I will send him

John 14 and 15 are evident?
In Jesus dwells the fulness of the Godhead, as such the Comforter/Holy Spirit WAS currently with them. And at Pentecost Jesus SHED forth the Holy Spirit making it possible for NT believers to have the Holy Spirit IN them.
 

Wansvic

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Excuse me, Luke is the person you need to take issue with in Chapter 24 and Jesus in Matthews 28:19 :) I didn't eliminate anything.
Having had previous discussions, I believe you understand that the sum of God's word reveals truth. The verse does not specifically state everything presented at Pentecost; but the reference is clear.

Jesus said those who hunger and thirst after righteousness shall be filled.
 

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Jesus can still save anyone anywhere anytime. This wasn't my point. Jesus always acts righteously is the point. If baptism is required for salvation, then Jesus wouldn't save someone apart from it. To do so would make Him unjust and acting unrighteously.
Water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin is required of those living in the NT as expressed in Acts 2. The rebirth experience was not possible prior to Pentecost.
 
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Scripture reveals obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus is an integral part of salvation:

Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers." Acts 2:38-42
Yes we have many posts from you wherein you state your belief. Nothing you post here changes anything I said though. Do you really think that 'whosoever will' only means oneness practitioners? never mind. you do. :cautious:

See, the promise actually IS to everyone and the remission of sins is not brought about by water. It is through the blood of Jesus. We have the entire OT sacrificial system that was in effect through....BLOOD....not water. Thankfully, salvation is not dependent on your private interpretation or even the interpretation of your entire group.
 
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I agree there are millions of lives at stake. That is why I am compelled to speak the truth in love regardless of the attacks I receive for doing so. (Ephesians 4:11-15)

I do find it odd that so many reject and attack those who share the word that expresses baptism is to be administered in the name of Jesus for remission of sin. I'm reminded of the exchange between the religious leaders and Peter concerning preaching and teaching in the name of Jesus:


Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:8

And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.
But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye. Acts 4:18-19
Thing it is, YOU are the one rejecting the truth. I believe you are saved if you have trusted in Jesus, but your 'righteous' acts do not add to salvation. Salvation is complete in Jesus...not whether or not you are baptized or speak in tongues.

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:8
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well you got that right, but then took it somewhere else
 

Wansvic

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They add to what Jesus did for us. It ends up being Jesus obedience & our work of baptism & speaking in tongues = salvation

I don't believe water baptism is a work. It is obedience which shows our identity with Jesus in His death, hence the submersion and then rising out of the water. It is symbolic and I do not see anywhere if you are not baptized you are not saved or if you do not speak in tongues you are not saved.

These doctrines of oneness sound more like what Jesus called burdens and adding to what God said

For the record I am water baptized (was 13 I think) and do have the gift of tongues....around 18 I think.

Frankly, such doctrines TAKE AWAY from what God has given us through His Son. ONLY the sinless blood of Jesus shed on our behalf is acceptable to God as the final sacrifice.
Do you present God's messages in unknown tongues to the church that are afterward interpreted by someone who has that gift?
 

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Water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin is required of those living in the NT as expressed in Acts 2. The rebirth experience was not possible prior to Pentecost.
Sure it was. Salvation has always been by grace through faith. That's why Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see His day, saw it, and was glad. Jesus was speaking before the cross. What was Abraham rejoicing about?
 

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You may be right.

But your understanding of a God unable of give mankind the ability to choose between obedience and disobedience has been noted.
Misrepresentation seems to be very popular around here.
 

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And I have asked the oneness lot to post it and never had a response
I don’t think anyone’s said “ baptism is what saves “ I think this is the idea regarding his name and baptism without adding anything we can see there’s most definately something to it ….

jesus said

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

So already we see jesus has tied baptism to salvation for believers of the gospel.

Peters first sermon filled with the Holy Ghost ends here

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬

But why Jesus name for remission of our sins ?

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42-43‬ ‭


“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12‬ ‭

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4‬ ‭

“Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man( the son Jesus ) is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: and by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭13:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think the question is why would we remove parts of doctrine that are clearly there and argue “ baptism isn’t what’s saved “ the point isn’t that baptism is the thing that saves anyone but it’s what God gave us for remission of sins because we believe in Jesus

it’s like saying I believe in Jesus so I reject the doctrine they all taught things like baptism for remission of sins are what Jesus and his apostles taught the church to believe and do . No one has said baotism saves you only get baptized because you believe Jesus died for your sins and rose again ….tbat faith saves
 

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Its basically smoke and mirrors. Lets say a person does not believe in the Trinity. Now I don't think that is a good idea, but are they not saved if they have actually accepted Jesus? The problem though, are the other stipulations they introduce for salvation...which the Bible most certainly does not include.

When Jesus said 'It is finished" it was done. Presenting self righteousness, as in I did this or I did that, is not going to be acceptable to God. If those things were righteous in God's view, then why did Jesus have to die
What Jesus could do in the flesh was finished at the cross. Without His resurrection none could experience the rebirth.

God is the one who had Peter present the gospel message after making the Holy Ghost available to all, and it is God that brings about what He promised when people humble themselves and believe and obey his message.

God brought down the walls of Jericho when people obeyed Him. Would the same have happened without obedience to His specific instructions? Also, God healed Naaman when He obeyed God's specific instructions given him by Elisha. Would God have healed Naaman if he decided dipping a few times was enough? Or, that one location was just as good as another to dip in 7 times? No, in both cases.

Reverencing God is evidenced through belief and obedience to His instructions not those altered a few hundred years after the fact by those who decided their thoughts on the subject were better. Whether understood or not the instruction's given by God are given with a specific purpose.
 

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Dear Cameron, The disciples were saved before Pentecost; Pentecost was the moment of outward empowerment by the Holy Spirit, not the beginning of their salvation. God bless you, brother.
And they were all FILLED with the Holy Spirit. The experience was evidenced by utterance initiated by the Spirit upon arrival in their body. (Acts 2:4. 33)
 

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Dear Cameron, Jesus' disciples were already true believers—"saved"—before the Day of Pentecost. Jesus, in His final teachings before His crucifixion, referred to the disciples (excluding Judas) as already "clean" (John 13:10) and described them as branches already in the vine (John 15:3-5), indicating their existing faith and union with Him. The coming of the Holy Ghost at Pentecost was a new, powerful outpouring and equipping for ministry, not the initial moment of their salvation. God bless you, brother.
Rom 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

The Spirit of God came to dwell inside of people when the NT began on the Day of Pentecost:

Acts 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
 

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There’s that word “only” again. It’s not there, you know. You ADDED it to Eph.2:8-9 but it does not say that. Acts 2:38 says that remission of sins comes as a result of baptism. And verse 8-9 of Eph. 2 does not even mention remission of sins. But those are the very words Peter used in Acts 2:38. And while it is true that we are saved by the grace of God who made it possible for us to have salvation, through faith or belief in Jesus as the Son of God, there is nothing in that verse that says that that “ALONE” or “ ONLY” is what saves us. Obviously, other scriptures say that there are other things that save us as well as faith. Peter listed “repentance” as being necessary to salvation (Acts 2:38), and Jesus confirmed that in Luke 13. Actsc17:30 proves that it is a COMMAND of God. Romans 10:10 also, says Confession saves us. And of course, 1 Peter 3:21 says baptism saves us. How wise God was, NOT to put the word “ONLY” or “ALONE” in any verses that teach salvation by faith; because if He had, then we would have contradictions in the Bible. Think how confusing it would be if Jesus actually had said that we are saved by “faith alone” and then we read Roman’s 10:10 where confession is unto salvation, and Acts 2:38; where Peter tells them to “repent” to be saved; not to mention 1 Peter 3:21! That says baptism saves us. Could we trust the Bible? Wouldn’t that make scripture contradict scripture? But, as it is, none of the scriptures used by men to teach salvation by faith only have the word “only” in them—even though men put it there. God did not. That means none of the verses about being saved by faith are exclusive. And that allows for “repentance”, “confession”, and “baptism” which all have scriptures that include them in God’s plan of salvation.

Interesting that Paul told the jailer in Acts 16, “Believe…and you SHALL be saved—future tense—instead of saying “Believe..and you ARE saved. Present tense. If you are saved at the moment you believe, shouldn’t salvation be present right then? Same thing with John 3:16. It’s NOT “ whosoever believes in Him WILL not perish; it’s “whosoever believes in Him SHOULD not perish. Those who believe in Christ SHOULD be willing to do all that Jesus has commanded us to do, and thereby receive salvation. But not all do. Acts 16 proves that “believing” means much more than just mental acknowledgement. After Paul and Silas “SPOKE THE WORD OF THE LORD “ to him and his house, they were immediately baptized! In the wee hours of the morning. Immediately!! How did they know to be baptized? Because baptism is included in “speaking the word of the Lord.” It’s part of the gospel of Christ. Verse 34 is interesting. It says that after baptism they ( the jailer and his house) rejoiced HAVING BELIEVED IN GOD. This is proof that faith ( belief) means much more than just mental acknowledgement.

Same thing with Phillip and the eunuch in Acts 8. Phillip “preached Jesus” to the eunuch and as soon as he came to some water he wanted to be baptized! How did he even know about baptism? He had to hear about it when Phillip “preached Jesus” to him. Baptism was a very important part of the gospel of Christ. Even necessary, because EVERY TIME Jesus was preached, in every case, the person was baptized. Salvation is not by faith only—just what James said. ( James 2:24).

I did not add anything, as being untruthful is not proving your point.
 

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In Jesus dwells the fulness of the Godhead, as such the Comforter/Holy Spirit WAS currently with them. And at Pentecost Jesus SHED forth the Holy Spirit making it possible for NT believers to have the Holy Spirit IN them.
Jesus did not deny the existence of the Father or the Spirit of GOD.
 

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The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation . The gospel is a message of grace that is to be received through faith. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works (including water baptism) to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.
You can both sincerely trust and genuinely believe in the message of faith alone regeneration theology but without obedience to the command of water baptism you will not have the remission of sins.

Faith alone regeneration theology is a hollow gospel void of the substance that has always been commanded by God, obedience.

Faith alone regeneration theology is like insisting that God will protect the first born by faith in the promise itself but without the need to obey the command of applying the blood.

No amount of faith, regardless of the object, sincerity or degree will take the place of the Lamb's blood properly applied to our door posts.
 

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Having had previous discussions, I believe you understand that the sum of God's word reveals truth. The verse does not specifically state everything presented at Pentecost; but the reference is clear.

Jesus said those who hunger and thirst after righteousness shall be filled.
However, that truth stands with all scripture; you are not the ultimate authority on truth, as I am not. You are correct; if one cannot show in the word of God what was said when they were Baptized at that time, you cannot assume. So, One who is water baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is a valid water baptism. God is fully aware of the person's heart and intent. And Mathew 28:19 is a valid way to water baptism
 
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Do you present God's messages in unknown tongues to the church that are afterward interpreted by someone who has that gift?
is that a curve ball or what? do you go into hospitals and heal people? smh