Understanding God’s election

[Kroogz]

What about all the infants, babies, toddlers, young children, mentally handicapped, etc. who never heard the gospel before they died?

Jonah 4:11
Should I not also have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 people, who do not know the difference between their right hand and their left, as well as many animals?”

 

[Rufus]

Talk about misuse of the Scripture for personal gain.

Then give me an equally explicit passage in scripture that teaches that God isn't the only eternal being in the universe.

 

[Magenta]

No! The correct idea is that no one innately wants to choose because all men's hearts are evil by nature, and man cannot make choices contrary to their nature. God cannot sin for the simple reason it's not in his nature to do so; whereas man cannot not sin because it's his nature to sin! See Jer 13:23; Mat 7:17-18.

Snap! Are you saying a canary cannot roar like a lion or a lion chirp like a bird? Dang.

 

[Rufus]

Jonah 4:11
Should I not also have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 people, who do not know the difference between their right hand and their left, as well as many animals?”

What does Jonah's preaching to adults have to do with what I posted. How does an infant who dies at birth get to hear the gospel? Does God send a tooth fairy to whisper in the infant's ear before it breathes its last?

 

[Cameron143]

Snap! Are you saying a canary cannot roar like a lion or a lion chirp like a bird? Dang.

Keep looking for the lion hearted finch. It's out there somewhere.

 

[Kroogz]

What does Jonah's preaching to adults have to do with what I posted. How does an infant who dies at birth get to hear the gospel? Does God send a tooth fairy to whisper in the infant's ear before it breathes its last?

Jonah 4:11
Should I not also have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 people, who do not know the difference between their right hand and their left, as well as many animals?”

The natural thinking man cannot put it together.

 

[Rufus]

Snap! Are you saying a canary cannot roar like a lion or a lion chirp like a bird? Dang.

I had a singing canary once that I tried to train how to bark. And when that failed I tried to teach it to meow. For some odd reason that darn bird just didn't want to cooperate.

 

[Kroogz]

I had a singing canary once that I tried to train how to bark. And when that failed I tried to teach it to meow. For some odd reason that darn bird just didn't want to cooperate.

Perhaps spend your time witnessing the Gospel to unbelievers?

 

[Rufus]

Jonah 4:11
Should I not also have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 people, who do not know the difference between their right hand and their left, as well as many animals?”

The natural thinking man cannot put it together.

So, you think Jo

God foresaw that esau would have no respect unto him and would sell his inheritance and birthrite for a bowl of stew ……..God has foreknowledge

Your false claim contradicts what Paul said in 9:11, 16 about the twins.

 

[Rufus]

Perhaps spend your time witnessing the Gospel to unbelievers?

Well, I was testing out the divine "theory" in Jer 13:23. Tell me, sir, what is the answer to the "yes" or "no" rhetorical question in part A of this text?

 

[Rufus]

“Christians are not judged with respect to any sin that they have committed, when Jesus returns.”

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11

Every person will be judged by thier deeds . Christian’s know and believe Christ the judge so for instance

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats so valuable because we do all have to be judged for everything we do and have said do Jesus teachings become our doctrine knowing this is true

“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬

as Christian’s were supposed to hear and believe the judges judgements in the gospel…..before it’s too late .

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭

Paul’s teaching that in Roman’s 2 there are his intro in the start of the chapter someone was judging other sinners while they themselves also were a sinner Paul’s warning to him was that if he didn’t repent he was going to condemn himself and was storing up wrath against himself because he was judging and condemning others while himself being less than perfect ….

Our sin is forgiven but how we treat others now will determine our judgement come judgement day if we aren’t merciful and gracious and forgive others then we can expect to be treated the same way according to Jesus the judge

We’re all going to be judged …..it can be merciful or without mercy if we don’t show mercy towards others

“For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But like Jesus the lord taught if we are merciful we’re going to receive mercy , if we forgive we’re going to be forgiven if we don’t condemn we won’t be condemned and by the same measure we use and judge others we are going to be judged the same way


Grace isn’t just for me , it’s for everyone else too and meant to come from me

Of course, grace is just for you. It's for all of God's chosen, covenant people.

 

[Kroogz]

So, you think Jo

Freudian slip?

Well, I was testing out the divine "theory" in Jer 13:23. Tell me, sir, what is the answer to the "yes" or "no" rhetorical question in part A of this text?

Was Michael Jackson white or black when he passed away?

 

[Inquisitor]

Then give me an equally explicit passage in scripture that teaches that God isn't the only eternal being in the universe.

Did God want to sever the nation of Israel from Jesus Christ?

Romans 10:21
But as for Israel He says, “All the day long I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.”

Looks as though God was not willing that Israel should fall but they did.

The Lord held out His hand to Israel over a very long period of time.

Verses like the verse above where God's predestination of Israel to be disobedient and obstinate. Yet holding out His hand to Israel generate a conflict in Calvinism.

 

[Rufus]

Freudian slip?

Was Michael Jackson white or black when he passed away?

So, you are another FWer whose mighty "freewill" is not empowered to answer the simple rhetorical question in Jer 13:23a with an honest, straightforward "yes" or "no" answer. No surprises here.

 

[Rufus]

Did God want to sever the nation of Israel from Jesus Christ?

Romans 10:21
But as for Israel He says, “All the day long I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.”

Looks as though God was not willing that Israel should fall but they did.

The Lord held out His hand to Israel over a very long period of time.

Verses like the verse above where God's predestination of Israel to be disobedient and obstinate. Yet holding out His hand to Israel generate a conflict in Calvinism.

What does Rom 10:21 have to do with the hypothetical existence of eternal beings? The minds of you FWers are absolutely shot! Cognitive Dissonance reigns supreme in your heart.

 

[Kroogz]

So, you are another FWer whose mighty "freewill" is not empowered to answer the simple rhetorical question in Jer 13:23a with an honest, straightforward "yes" or "no" answer. No surprises here.

My answer is very obvious to the Spiritual man.....Not so much to the natural man.

 

[Rufus]

My answer is very obvious to the Spiritual man.....Not so much to the natural man.

The spiritual cause behind your non-answer is very obvious: Your "freewill: is in bondage to sin, the flesh, the world and the devfil and cannot give a real, genuine, straight, honest answer to a "yes" or "no" rhetorical question.

Are there any other FWers out there who feel empowered by their "freewill" to give a straight answer?

 

[Kroogz]

The spiritual cause behind your non-answer is very obvious: Your "freewill: is in bondage to sin, the flesh, the world and the devfil and cannot give a real, genuine, straight, honest answer to a "yes" or "no" rhetorical question.

Are there any other FWers out there who feel empowered by their "freewill" to give a straight answer?

It doesn't matter if your heels are dug in.

NO.

Your premise is "we cannot believe the Gospel." And there is nothing about an Ethiopian changing His skin or a leopard changing His spots to BELIEVE His Gospel.

You can't understand this....You have a natural way of thinking.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

No! The correct idea is that no one innately wants to choose because all men's hearts are evil by nature, and man cannot make choices contrary to their nature. God cannot sin for the simple reason it's not in his nature to do so; whereas man cannot not sin because it's his nature to sin! See Jer 13:23; Mat 7:17-18.

Naw pretending we have no choice between doing good and evil is the kind of thing that keeps a person bound in thier own mind

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Of course, grace is just for you. It's for all of God's chosen, covenant people.

“Of course, grace is just for you. It's for all of God's chosen, covenant people”

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬