Does man have a freewill ?

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Well I wonder if it is appropriate to discuss members on here on another site that seems to be gossip to me
I doubt I was spoken of in a good way if I was spoken of who knows
I mean just on here alone I have been called a false prophet false teacher a worker of iniquity ect.
Hey, join the club, but just remember that three fingers point back to the caller/pointer/accuser.
 
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It says he looked upward. It doesn't say he acknowledged God.
I just read the verse from various versions of the Bible at Bible Hub. All indicate Nebuchadnezzar lifted his eyes to heaven. None of the versions leave out the word "unto heaven" (or words to that effect).

Daniel 4:34 says I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven

The words "unto heaven" are translated from the Hebrew word šᵊmayin.


Brown-Driver-Briggs indicates the use of šᵊmayin in Daniel 4:34 refers to heavens as abode of God (bold mine).
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Why is it important to study the Bible in context?






rolleyes ... pride much?

as far as whether my assertion that you rip verses from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed them being "bogus" ... I note that you have not provided any disagreement to what was submitted in Post 508, Post 510, Post 511.

you also have not clarified what you mean by the term "freewill" and/or "freewillers".

Those terms should be clarified so we all know what is meant by the term.
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You are rejecting scripture that is found within a given context, so you rejecting scripture. I know the context, but Im not going to explain it to you, its not necessary for me to explain it, know it, yes, explain it no, not when Im explaining another point thats agreeable to it.
 
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You are rejecting scripture that is found within a given context, so you rejecting scripture. I know the context, but Im not going to explain it to you, its not necessary for me to explain it, know it, yes, explain it no, not when Im explaining another point thats agreeable to it.
I do not reject Scripture ... what I reject is your "another point" that you claim is "agreeable to it" ... when Scripture reveals that your "another point" does not align with what is written, you claim "you are rejecting scripture" when what is being rejected is your mishandling of Scripture.
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Hey, join the club, but just remember that three fingers point back to the caller/pointer/accuser.
I wouldn't be concerned because if I remember correctly it doesn't matter if all of our names are mentioned because it seemed to be a complainers site so who cares unless they are telling the truth. But I am too new to know that or even care. I just mentioned because of your post and it reminded me.
 

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Shocked that I said what to the poster ?
The entire post was uncalled for and wrong look back at the post that hr quoted when you said they were intimaded by someone like you if you wish I can show you the post and show you how prideful you were being
 

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Shocked that I said what to the poster ?
here is what you said

brightfame52 said:
You are probably intimidated by someone much more learned in the scripture than you, so your defense is the claim, they rip scripture out of context, but its a bogus claim
 

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You are rejecting scripture that is found within a given context, so you rejecting scripture. I know the context, but Im not going to explain it to you, its not necessary for me to explain it, know it, yes, explain it no, not when Im explaining another point thats agreeable to it.
That is the calvies way.

"I am special, you can't understand."

Stop antagonizing His Grace to others.
 
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The entire post was uncalled for and wrong look back at the post that hr quoted when you said they were intimaded by someone like you if you wish I can show you the post and show you how prideful you were being
Thats not what I mean.
here is what you said

brightfame52 said:
You are probably intimidated by someone much more learned in the scripture than you, so your defense is the claim, they rip scripture out of context, but its a bogus claim
So it had nothing to do with me saying studying context isnt important correct ?
 
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That is the calvies way.

"I am special, you can't understand."

Stop antagonizing His Grace to others.
okay so lets look back at posts 485,487, 498 and discuss those points, those scriptures. They are showing how mans will isnt free from #1 Gods sovereign will and mans own sinful nature wherein he is dead in sin, a slave to sin
 

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okay so lets look back at posts 485,487, 498 and discuss those points, those scriptures. They are showing how mans will isnt free from #1 Gods sovereign will and mans own sinful nature wherein he is dead in sin, a slave to sin
And you guys still have NOTHING that says," mankind cannot believe His Gospel to them."

In the calvies world mankind can believe anything but His Gospel to mankind.....Just stop and think about that for once.
 
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okay so lets look back at posts 485,487, 498
your post 485 was responded to at Post 486 ... then we further discussed at 488, 489, 490, 494

your post 487 was responded to at Post 508, Post 510, Post 511

I will reply to your post 489 asap ... thanks for your patience.


... which reminds me, I'm patiently waiting for you to clarify what you mean by "free will" and/or "free willers".
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And you guys still have NOTHING that says," mankind cannot believe His Gospel to them."
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The claim is that the gospel of Christ is what is referred to in 1 Cor 2:14 ... when 1 Cor 2:14 is actually referring back to what Paul stated in 1 Cor 2:7 (i.e. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory).

The consensus is that the gospel = the wisdom of God in a mystery ... the hidden wisdom.

The mystery that was hidden is spoken of by Paul:

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began

1 Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory

Ephesians 3:8-11 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord

The gospel has never been hidden ... it's been revealed from earliest days of Genesis. God never hid the gospel ... if the mystery which was kept secret since the world began had been known, none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory


The intent God has for the church (the body of the Lord Jesus Christ, of which all born again believers are members in particular) is to exemplify God's manifold wisdom unto principalities and powers in the heavenlies (Eph 3:10).

Wouldn't it be great if we all lived up to Eph 3:10?
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Having been raised like Timothy in accordance with God's plan for parenting (2Tim. 3:15-17),
not sure I was ever a non-Christian, but I seek to live in accordance with GW daily/continually (Rom. 12:1-2).
so when did you accept Christ and receive his gift of salvation?

many people call themsel;ves christians, or raised in Christian homes. it does not make them a child of God

John 1: 11: 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
 
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I believe God seeks us out first ... did anyone witness to you before you believed?
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many people did. and I agree. God seeks us out first. But we had to respond..

Sadly I know many who when anyone tries to share God they walk away or put a stop to it. They want nothing to do with him
 

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And you guys still have NOTHING that says," mankind cannot believe His Gospel to them."

In the calvies world mankind can believe anything but His Gospel to mankind.....Just stop and think about that for once.
No nobody has the ability to believe the Gospel as a natural man, that is not in a genuine conversion experience. In fact, God sends the Gospel to the lost as a means of worsening their condemnation, a savor of death unto them 2 Cor 2:16

To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

The one here are them perishing in a lost state

15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

The Gospel comes to two types of people, the ones being saved, and the ones that are lost, and God has two distinct purposes in sending them the Gospel,

The lost and perishing will not and cannot believe the Gospel in a conversion experience because its not Gods design to save them
 

brightfame52

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your post 485 was responded to at Post 486 ... then we further discussed at 488, 489, 490, 494

your post 487 was responded to at Post 508, Post 510, Post 511

I will reply to your post 489 asap ... thanks for your patience.

... which reminds me, I'm patiently waiting for you to clarify what you mean by "free will" and/or "free willers".
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Look at past posts to find out what I mean and clarification