ARE THERE ANY FULL GOSPEL BELIEVERS IN THE HYPERPAULINE MOVEMENT?

[Psalm1]

Over the last 3 or 4 years, i have noticed this hyperpauline movement is taking hold, in ministries and believers.
I have also noticed that season Saints readily see the error of it, and point out those errors to no avail.

So far, in the ones that I have encountered every single one of them is a cessationist.
They incorrectly believe that all miracles, signs, and wonders, in spite of what the Bible says, have ceased.
And God has a "gone fishing" sign on that particular window.

Are there any hyperpaulines that are also full gospel in their position?

 

[PaulThomson]

Over the last 3 or 4 years, i have noticed this hyperpauline movement is taking hold, in ministries and believers.
I have also noticed that season Saints readily see the error of it, and point out those errors to no avail.

So far, in the ones that I have encountered every single one of them is a cessationist.
They incorrectly believe that all miracles, signs, and wonders, in spite of what the Bible says, have ceased.
And God has a "gone fishing" sign on that particular window.

Are there any hyperpaulines that are also full gospel in their position?

We are working through Acts in our mid-week home Bible study. We went through Chapter 15 last Wednesday night, and I have been preparing for next week on Acts 16.

It is interesting that in Acts 15 Paul makes a big deal about requiring circumcision and Mosaic law-keeping, contending fiercely that the Gentiles are not required to practice those under grace. But in chapter 16, when the Gentile jailor beiieved "he and all his household were baptised at once". And yet the hyperpaulines seem very adamant that Paul did not require water baptism. of Gentiles.

I am curious to know whether the hyperpaulines in CC, or the mid-Acts dispensationalists, as I think they call themselves, think the charismatic gifts are still being distributed to the body for the edification of the church.

 

[tablet123]

Over the last 3 or 4 years, i have noticed this hyperpauline movement is taking hold, in ministries and believers.
I have also noticed that season Saints readily see the error of it, and point out those errors to no avail.

So far, in the ones that I have encountered every single one of them is a cessationist.
They incorrectly believe that all miracles, signs, and wonders, in spite of what the Bible says, have ceased.
And God has a "gone fishing" sign on that particular window.

Are there any hyperpaulines that are also full gospel in their position?

The gifts are available today for the Church is the Church and the same operation at all times throughout Church history for how they operated back then is how it operates now.

Why would it be different and why would they get to benefit more than now.

1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Charity, love in action never fails.

We know in part but when that which is perfect is come which is being with Jesus then that which is in part shall be done away.

For there is no need for these things in heaven for they serve no purpose there.

But on earth these things are needed for how can prophesies fail when the Bible tells us of prophesy to come but in heaven prophesy does not affect the saint so it is irrelevant.

And how can knowledge fail on earth for we need knowledge the more the better which God said the Jews perish for lack of knowledge and the fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge but in heaven it is not needed.

And how can tongues fail on earth if it is to edify a person but in heaven it is not needed for now a saint is in perfection.

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Charity is greater than faith, and hope, because faith, and hope is only needed on earth and are irrelevant in heaven for now they see.

But charity will go on forever for charity never fails.

And so it is with prophesies, and tongues, and knowledge that they are needed on earth but they will fail when the perfect is come being with Jesus for then they are not needed.

Just like faith, and hope are needed on earth but are not needed in heaven.

But love will go on forever.

The gifts are still for today for that which is perfect has now come yet and when it does then they shall fail for they are not needed.

 

[homwardbound]

We are working through Acts in our mid-week home Bible study. We went through Chapter 15 last Wednesday night, and I have been preparing for next week on Acts 16.

It is interesting that in Acts 15 Paul makes a big deal about requiring circumcision and Mosaic law-keeping, contending fiercely that the Gentiles are not required to practice those under grace. But in chapter 16, when the Gentile jailor beiieved "he and all his household were baptised at once". And yet the hyperpaulines seem very adamant that Paul did not require water baptism. of Gentiles.

I am curious to know whether the hyperpaulines in CC, or the mid-Acts dispensationalists, as I think they call themselves, think the charismatic gifts are still being distributed to the body for the edification of the church.

I do not know if I am a hyper- Pauline or not. I agree to not put any trust in self or anyone e else Philippians 3
I do trust what he has said about the dispensation of grace we are all in today from God given us all through Son's done work for us, as when I read the entire Epistles' he wrote to each group , such as Corinthians, Galatians, Romans, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians
I get from each Epistle, what he had discovered about God's Love for us all, without anyone being better than anyone else. God's Love is for us all to love all and stop having schisms over what another believes to be or not be, personally. I see, free to choose remains for each and every person, whether of that or this group, God Father desires a personal relationship first, ( your choice) not a church relationship, a spouse relationship a personal Love God first once see God has loved us all first, proven in the resurrected Son for us to be new and love all in the same love and mercy that Jesus did willingly for us all first 1 John 4:18
I see, what Son as Jesus did. He went to that cross willingly, without any flesh fight back, he took all that scourging from the religious leaders, with out wiping anyone out. WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How, why? To rise from the dead as approved by Father, Daddy, PaPa, for us to get new life in Father's Spirit and Truth given to love All as well, without fighting back, even as Saul did under Law, fought and killed believers in the risen Son, then that all changed.
And I noticed this also
Every Epistle, starts out with giving Father and Son credit, asking for each person to receive this love and mercy also from Father and Son, as if they are two, they are, yet not spiritually
John 4:23-24

 

[Slimsumo]

Over the last 3 or 4 years, i have noticed this hyperpauline movement is taking hold, in ministries and believers.
I have also noticed that season Saints readily see the error of it, and point out those errors to no avail.

So far, in the ones that I have encountered every single one of them is a cessationist.
They incorrectly believe that all miracles, signs, and wonders, in spite of what the Bible says, have ceased.
And God has a "gone fishing" sign on that particular window.

Are there any hyperpaulines that are also full gospel in their position?

I haven't met any either. It is a very new movement, hardly two hundred years old and very small and cultic. You will run into these people on the internet but in real life? Not so much.

Satan has stolen the word of God from people by making them believe only a small portion of it applies to them.

 

[homwardbound]

I haven't met any either. It is a very new movement, hardly two hundred years old and very small and cultic. You will run into these people on the internet but in real life? Not so much.

Satan has stolen the word of God from people by making them believe only a small portion of it applies to them.

I see evil wants to lead and it can't lead all under its call. Free choice to choose God or Evil and then even self. So Satan, evil lost from the start, thank you Father and Son as Won (one)

 

[Inquisitor]

Over the last 3 or 4 years, i have noticed this hyperpauline movement is taking hold, in ministries and believers.
I have also noticed that season Saints readily see the error of it, and point out those errors to no avail.

So far, in the ones that I have encountered every single one of them is a cessationist.
They incorrectly believe that all miracles, signs, and wonders, in spite of what the Bible says, have ceased.
And God has a "gone fishing" sign on that particular window.

Are there any hyperpaulines that are also full gospel in their position?

What does, "hyperpaulines", mean to you?

Does, "full gospel", mean what is written below?

In Christian theology, "Full Gospel" refers to the belief that the complete message of the Gospel
includes not only salvation but also the baptism of the Holy Spirit, divine healing,
and the second coming of Christ. It emphasizes the ongoing work of the Holy Spirit
in the lives of believers, including the manifestation of spiritual gifts such as speaking
in tongues and healing

 

[Psalm1]

From those responding, and my own experience, it does seem like most hyperpaulines are cessationist.

 

[GWH]

We are working through Acts in our mid-week home Bible study. We went through Chapter 15 last Wednesday night, and I have been preparing for next week on Acts 16.

It is interesting that in Acts 15 Paul makes a big deal about requiring circumcision and Mosaic law-keeping, contending fiercely that the Gentiles are not required to practice those under grace. But in chapter 16, when the Gentile jailor beiieved "he and all his household were baptised at once". And yet the hyperpaulines seem very adamant that Paul did not require water baptism. of Gentiles.

I am curious to know whether the hyperpaulines in CC, or the mid-Acts dispensationalists, as I think they call themselves, think the charismatic gifts are still being distributed to the body for the edification of the church.

Regarding speaking in tongues, the original occurrence at Pentecost (in Acts 2:4-11) and for awhile longer was earthly languages given as a sign that fulfilled Joel 2:28-32 (cf. Isa. 28:11-12 cited in 1Cor. 14:21), which reversed Babel and evangelized 3,000 people, thereby ensuring the planting of the first Christian church, but by the time of its occurrence in the church at Corinth it had morphed into a faux gift of mere babbling, which Paul tried to quash tactfully (1Cor. 14:19, possibly because pagan religions practiced it), writing that the gift would cease (1Cor. 13:8-13), so one should not be myopic and focus only on a problematic proof-text (1Cor. 14:18), ignoring the absence of affirming tongues in other Pauline epistles--and Paul is NOT "hyperpauline"!

Regarding WB, Jesus taught that his righteousness (Matt. 5:10&20) surpassed and superseded that of those who obeyed and taught the law (cf. Matt. 12:5-12, 19:3-9, Heb. 7:18-10:1). The law is represented by John the Baptist in Matt. 3:11a, "I baptize you with water [WB] for repentance" [forgiveness of sins indicated in the Torah, cf. Rom. 7:4-8:17], and Spirit baptism (SB) is indicated in Matt. 3:11b, "but after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire."

However, some people ("Actsers") focus on events in Acts such as WB and glossolalia rather than on teachings in the epistles about faith/SB being what is essential ("Faithers"). The book of Acts does not teach foundational Christian doctrine but merely records what occurred during the early days of the church era as the revelation of GRFS transitioned from OT beliefs to the NT doctrine that is taught in the epistles, which never command WB or tongues as signs of SB or as essential for salvation.

By the last of Paul's epistles, WB came to be understood as a good but non-essential work or rite, like physical circumcision, and the basis for believing folks are filled with the HS is reflecting God's love for everyone (Matt. 22:37-40, 1John 4:7-21, John 13:35, Rom. 5:5, Gal. 5:6 & 22, etc.). Then, like now, the rite is performed as an apt way of portraying saving faith in the atonement of Christ, even though the work is not required, just as physical circumcision was not required for salvation either per Paul in Romans 3:21-5:1.

 

[GWH]

Over the last 3 or 4 years, i have noticed this hyperpauline movement is taking hold, in ministries and believers.
I have also noticed that season Saints readily see the error of it, and point out those errors to no avail.

So far, in the ones that I have encountered every single one of them is a cessationist.
They incorrectly believe that all miracles, signs, and wonders, in spite of what the Bible says, have ceased.
And God has a "gone fishing" sign on that particular window.

Are there any hyperpaulines that are also full gospel in their position?

I am hyperGW, I named my son after Paul, I believe creation is the primary supernatural miracle or sign (Rom. 1:20),
I believe the true gift of tongues in Acts was not mere babbling, I believe Paul wrote in 1 Cor. 13 that tongues would cease
while love (the primary sign of Spirit-fullness = the full Gospel per Paul's prayer in Eph. 3) would continue, and
I have never known someone who spoke an earthly language they had not learned.

Thus, it is correct to believe that no one has the gift of performing miracles,
although God does so per what the Bible teaches.

 

[Psalm1]

I am hyperGW, I named my son after Paul, I believe creation is the primary supernatural miracle or sign (Rom. 1:20),
I believe the true gift of tongues in Acts was not mere babbling, I believe Paul wrote in 1 Cor. 13 that tongues would cease
while love (the primary sign of Spirit-fullness = the full Gospel per Paul's prayer in Eph. 3) would continue, and
I have never known someone who spoke an earthly language they had not learned.

Thus, it is correct to believe that no one has the gift of performing miracles,
although God does so per what the Bible teaches.

Jesus never temporarily gave authority to his followers.

To try and say healing is revoked and power is revoked is basically saying the Holy Spirit has lost power and the covenant of healing being a work of tge cross has been revoked also.
Was salvation also revoked when healing got supposed revoked?

No sir.
Jesus said "I am the same yesterday, today, and forever"

There is no " gone fishing", or " closed " sign barring us from God's promises or authority.

 

[Psalm1]

Regarding speaking in tongues, the original occurrence at Pentecost (in Acts 2:4-11) and for awhile longer was earthly languages given as a sign that fulfilled Joel 2:28-32 (cf. Isa. 28:11-12 cited in 1Cor. 14:21), which reversed Babel and evangelized 3,000 people, thereby ensuring the planting of the first Christian church, but by the time of its occurrence in the church at Corinth it had morphed into a faux gift of mere babbling, which Paul tried to quash tactfully (1Cor. 14:19, possibly because pagan religions practiced it), writing that the gift would cease (1Cor. 13:8-13), so one should not be myopic and focus only on a problematic proof-text (1Cor. 14:18), ignoring the absence of affirming tongues in other Pauline epistles--and Paul is NOT "hyperpauline"!

Regarding WB, Jesus taught that his righteousness (Matt. 5:10&20) surpassed and superseded that of those who obeyed and taught the law (cf. Matt. 12:5-12, 19:3-9, Heb. 7:18-10:1). The law is represented by John the Baptist in Matt. 3:11a, "I baptize you with water [WB] for repentance" [forgiveness of sins indicated in the Torah, cf. Rom. 7:4-8:17], and Spirit baptism (SB) is indicated in Matt. 3:11b, "but after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire."

However, some people ("Actsers") focus on events in Acts such as WB and glossolalia rather than on teachings in the epistles about faith/SB being what is essential ("Faithers"). The book of Acts does not teach foundational Christian doctrine but merely records what occurred during the early days of the church era as the revelation of GRFS transitioned from OT beliefs to the NT doctrine that is taught in the epistles, which never command WB or tongues as signs of SB or as essential for salvation.

By the last of Paul's epistles, WB came to be understood as a good but non-essential work or rite, like physical circumcision, and the basis for believing folks are filled with the HS is reflecting God's love for everyone (Matt. 22:37-40, 1John 4:7-21, John 13:35, Rom. 5:5, Gal. 5:6 & 22, etc.). Then, like now, the rite is performed as an apt way of portraying saving faith in the atonement of Christ, even though the work is not required, just as physical circumcision was not required for salvation either per Paul in Romans 3:21-5:1.

Twisting scripture.
Hyperpauline gross error.
I always wondered what drives the disenfranchisement of the bible by you people.
It is horrible and tragic.

 

[Psalm1]

I always wonder, what will the cessationist do when they need a miracle.
They dump faith by declaring GOD powerless.
Then when they need a miracle they have that starting place with God as the Pharisees had.
No faith.

Just sad.

 

[GWH]

Jesus never temporarily gave authority to his followers.

To try and say healing is revoked and power is revoked is basically saying the Holy Spirit has lost power and the covenant of healing being a work of tge cross has been revoked also.
Was salvation also revoked when healing got supposed revoked?

No sir.
Jesus said "I am the same yesterday, today, and forever"

There is no " gone fishing", or " closed " sign barring us from God's promises or authority.

I believe Jesus inspired Paul.
Horrible and sad that you do not harmonize what they said.
The harmonization is that the only miracle needed until the Second Coming is just that: resurrection to heaven!

 

[Psalm1]

I believe Jesus inspired Paul.
Horrible and sad that you do not harmonize what they said.
The harmonization is that the only miracle needed until the Second Coming is just that: resurrection to heaven!

Oh I am as pauline as the best of them.
But God wrote the entire bible.

I can not see the need to diminish James, John, Peter and the Gospels, which you guys do, thereby diminishing Jesus.

What drives that need?
What spirit?

 

[Psalm1]

I am hyperGW, I named my son after Paul, I believe creation is the primary supernatural miracle or sign (Rom. 1:20),
I believe the true gift of tongues in Acts was not mere babbling, I believe Paul wrote in 1 Cor. 13 that tongues would cease
while love (the primary sign of Spirit-fullness = the full Gospel per Paul's prayer in Eph. 3) would continue, and
I have never known someone who spoke an earthly language they had not learned.

Thus, it is correct to believe that no one has the gift of performing miracles,
although God does so per what the Bible teaches.

Lol
That's like saying:
"I have never known a eskimo that got saved.....therfore God is forbidden by my limited knowledge to save a eskimo."

Thank God we don't depend on your limited knowledge.

 

[GWH]

Lol
That's like saying:
"I have never known a eskimo that got saved.....therfore God is forbidden by my limited knowledge to save a eskimo."

Thank God we don't depend on your limited knowledge.

1. "Oh I am as pauline as the best of them." Really? I did not see you agree that creation is the primary supernatural miracle or sign (Rom. 1:20) or that Paul wrote in 1 Cor. 13 that tongues would cease or that love is the primary sign of Spirit-fullness per Paul's prayer (in Eph. 3) and would continue.

2. "God wrote the entire bible." Well, God inspired many people to write the Scriptures.

3. "I can not see the need to diminish James, John, Peter and the Gospels, which you guys do, thereby diminishing Jesus." When you make accusations, quotes as evidence should be provided, because I have no idea why you say that regarding me.

4. "What drives that need? What spirit?" Ditto.

5. You did not agree that the true gift of tongues in Acts was not mere babbling.

6. You did not name someone who speaks an earthly language they did not learn.

7. Thus, you in no way refuted the correctness of believing that no one has the gift of performing miracles,
although God does so per what the Bible teaches, but rather your ignorance implicitly agreed with this.

8. Do you thank God that we rely on YOUR limited knowledge?!

 

[Psalm1]

1. "Oh I am as pauline as the best of them." Really? I did not see you agree that creation is the primary supernatural miracle or sign (Rom. 1:20) or that Paul wrote in 1 Cor. 13 that tongues would cease or that love is the primary sign of Spirit-fullness per Paul's prayer (in Eph. 3) and would continue.

2. "God wrote the entire bible." Well, God inspired many people to write the Scriptures.

3. "I can not see the need to diminish James, John, Peter and the Gospels, which you guys do, thereby diminishing Jesus." When you make accusations, quotes as evidence should be provided, because I have no idea why you say that regarding me.

4. "What drives that need? What spirit?" Ditto.

5. You did not agree that the true gift of tongues in Acts was not mere babbling.

6. You did not name someone who speaks an earthly language they did not learn.

7. Thus, you in no way refuted the correctness of believing that no one has the gift of performing miracles,
although God does so per what the Bible teaches, but rather your ignorance implicitly agreed with this.

8. Do you thank God that we rely on YOUR limited knowledge?!

I agree with Paul.
Stop lying

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Over the last 3 or 4 years, i have noticed this hyperpauline movement is taking hold, in ministries and believers.
I have also noticed that season Saints readily see the error of it, and point out those errors to no avail.

So far, in the ones that I have encountered every single one of them is a cessationist.
They incorrectly believe that all miracles, signs, and wonders, in spite of what the Bible says, have ceased.
And God has a "gone fishing" sign on that particular window.

Are there any hyperpaulines that are also full gospel in their position?

First I've ever heard of them. Thanks for posting about them!

I haven't seen or met any people like that in my neck of the woods. I hope that teaching doesn't spread over here.

 

[Howdy]

Why do those who claim they speak in tongues call themselves full gospel implying that the rest of us do not preach the full gospel?
Seems very misleading to me.