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Lol.. all you do is engage in misdirection. GIVE ME THE MANY CREDIBLE VERIFIABLE SOURCES YOU PROMISED PROVING A FEW JEWS ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD USING THE NOAHIDE LAWS AND CUT OFF EVERY CHRISTIAN'S HEAD.

You live in threads full of wild conspiracy theories without any credible proof. I have no interest in your fallicious arguments that tie wild global conspiracy theories to normal human events which don't prove them.

Fallicious reasoning, speculation, cut and paste jobs from whacko conspiracy websites, and your own threads full of more of the same don't count. They are a waste of time.

Give me real credible verifiable proof that proves the Jews are going to take over the world and whack off my head not paranoid delusions and false assertions constructed around everyday human events that don't prove anything.

Waiting...
Where did I promise anything to you?

Where did I say jews are gonna take over the world?

And what would satisfy you as a credible and verified source? Do you want a Top 100 pharisee conspirators list from Forbes or NY Times?

Why dont you wanna talk about the noahide laws like a reasonable person?

You are a coward sir.
 

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Lol.. all you do is engage in misdirection. GIVE ME THE MANY CREDIBLE VERIFIABLE SOURCES YOU PROMISED PROVING A FEW JEWS ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD USING THE NOAHIDE LAWS AND CUT OFF EVERY CHRISTIAN'S HEAD.
Revelation 20
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years

somebody's doing it.
islam, you figure?
 
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somebody's doing it.
islam, you figure?
Course....didnt you know that congress is raving over sharia law and the UN wants all its member states to accept it?

Oh wait...


Sheikh Abdul Hadi Palazzi, a leader of the Italian Muslim Assembly, addressed the assembly, speaking about B'nai Noah in Islam: "Islamic law holds within it the seven laws of Noah and can be taught correctly to the Muslims of the world... I remember reading that a new Sanhedrin was created in Jerusalem [and] my impression was very positive - I thought maybe something new had been created to allow the Jewish people to project moral and legal clarity to counterbalance the lack of it in our world."

Palazzi added that the project of creating a council of Noahide teachers would hopefully counter the negative educational effect of the Gaza withdrawal, "which taught the opposite to my people - it convinced many that only terrorism works."

From the same source: Noahide.org - Sanhedrin Recognizes Council to Teach Humanity

Oh the muslims are getting hearded into following talmudic law too. Oh shucks.

WDC MEDIA NEWS
Christian News and Media Agency


UN NGO Reps Pledge to Follow Noahide Laws

By David Yisraeli

2011-01-04 -- WDC Media News --
(Religion)

24 Tevet 5771 (31.12.2010) --A conference advocating for the acceptance and adherence to the Noahide Laws was held on December 22, 2010.

The event's title was “Unity, Youth and World Peace”. Presenters included Mr. Joop Theunissen from the United Nations Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC), and Rabbi Yakov D. Cohen of the Institute of Noahide Code, who opened and moderated the conference.

More than 90 people attended this important event, many of whom expressed an interest in continuing this work.

Mr Joop Theunissen Deputy Chief of the NGO branch of ECOSOC signed a proclamation pledging to keep the Laws of Noah.

"Their observance is required, so that the vision of the United Nations – to have a settled and civilized world, in which economic justice and righteousness will prevail - can be fulfilled, with all of us working together in unison."

Full Story - UN NGO Reps Pledge to Follow Noahide Laws

Nevermind...
 
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Revelation 20
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years

somebody's doing it.
islam, you figure?

Dear Zone, NOW you're from Gibraltar? Do you only pick western countries? You wouldn't pick Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Iran, China, Tibet?
Indonesia?
In Erie Scott Harrington
 
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Revelation 20
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years

somebody's doing it.
islam, you figure?

Dear Zone, Do you think you will find the Kingdom of God by switching flags/nationalities? Scott Harrington
 
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Dear Zone, Do you think you will find the Kingdom of God by switching flags/nationalities? Scott Harrington
Do you think you will learn how to use the quote feature when you eventually find the Kingdom?
 
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Ok so you have amnesia regarding your own promises to provide credible verifiable information to prove your wild theory that a few of the 7 million Jews in the world that practice Judaism are going to take over the world and chop our heads off, are in full-bllown denial about my replies which already answered the majority of your questions, attack me constantly because of your own lack of moral character which I have observed is mixed with paranoid delusions about who I work for (Hint: Nobody!), etc...

But at the end of the day you don't have any credible evidence that the Jews are taking over the world to cut off the heads of all the Christians. Just a bunch of paranoid delusions built around speculation and everyday events that do NOT prove your wild Jew-hating conspiracy theory and a heart that brings forth evil continually about everyone that points that out.

And then, in between launching personal attacks, you wonder why I don't take you seriously. Might it be because you're a basketcase? Yes, that's it.


Where did I promise anything to you?

Where did I say jews are gonna take over the world?

And what would satisfy you as a credible and verified source? Do you want a Top 100 pharisee conspirators list from Forbes or NY Times?

Why dont you wanna talk about the noahide laws like a reasonable person?

You are a coward sir.
 
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I thought you said zionism doesnt exist in America Scotty?
Zionism doesn't exist in the US constitution. The Constitution is America. Not whatever form of politician is in the White House or Congress or Supreme Court.
 
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Zone, there are all kinds of eschatological views as well as interpretations of this passage in Christiandom. In many of them, genuine Christians alive today won't even be on earth when this occurs. And for the rest, the idea that a handful of 7 million Jews who believe in and practice Judaism (and that number actually is decreasing as Jews increasingly leave Judaism and intermarry with gentilies) have positioned themselves to control the world and aligned themselves with the devil and are coming to cut alll our heads off isn't even on the map except for a very few racist Jew-hating far-right sects that call themselves Christian but reallly aren't like Christian Identity. It's nonsense.


Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
 

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Zone, there are all kinds of eschatological views as well as interpretations of this passage in Christiandom. In many of them, genuine Christians alive today won't even be on earth when this occurs. And for the rest, the idea that a handful of 7 million Jews who believe in and practice Judaism (and that number actually is decreasing as Jews increasingly leave Judaism and intermarry with gentilies) have positioned themselves to control the world and aligned themselves with the devil and are coming to cut alll our heads off isn't even on the map except for a very few racist Jew-hating far-right sects that call themselves Christian but reallly aren't like Christian Identity. It's nonsense.

ok AoK
if you say so.
 
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I do.

That said, should we repel attempts to deprive us of our liberty: of course. There have been MANY sweeping global attempts to deprive people of their liberty since Christ's ascension to the right hand of the Father with many successful and many not.

Just in the 20th century WWI, WWII, and Communist cold war Christian survivors recount thinking they were in the Great Tribulation. They were NOT. And they had far more reason and credible evidence to support their thinking than the far-fetched conspiracy speculation and faulty reasoning off smoke and mirrors and bread crumbs you all are displaying in this forum.

For example, they didn't have fake conspiracy theories about the U.S. government ready to put a third of its citizens in barbwire death camps off of conjecture: they had the real deal both in legislation and in reality from quickly expanding empires that threatened to engulf the whole world.

Before Revelations 20:4 plays itself out much needs to occur. There are many threads unseen and some that are. You all are grasping at straws in my opinion with this Jew hating Christian Identity nonsense.


ok AoK
if you say so.
 

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For example, they didn't have fake conspiracy theories about the U.S. government ready to put a third of its citizens in barbwire death camps off of conjecture: they had the real deal both in legislation and in reality from quickly expanding empires that threatened to engulf the whole world.

Before Revelations 20:4 plays itself out much needs to occur. There are many threads unseen and some that are. You all are grasping at straws in my opinion with this Jew hating Christian Identity nonsense.

You can call it fake conspiracy theory if you want. You can even call the people that warn you, crazy. But if you think there is not some sort of plan against any group of people that come up against the powers that be, I would have to say that you are the one that is not thinking clearly. Do you really think there aren't people conspiring to be in charge of the world? That would be the ultimate conspiracy theory. That there's not any conspiracies... LOL

The strange thing right now is that everything that happens in one country affects the whole world. An earthquake in India causes gas prices to go up in Nevada. It looks like the foundation for end time events is occuring right now. Doesn't it? Doesn't the bible say we are going to look for someone to take the pain away from the whole world? We're pretty much already doing that aren't we? Another 20yrs of this and people will be begging to take a mark.
 
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Nice rant. Just your own best thinking and opinions though. Do I think all governments have contingency plans for seditious rebellion should it occur, yes. Do I think the U.S. government is going to stick us all in barbwired death camps and cut off our heads, no i do not.

I had a guy down the street warn me that Hitler was going to arise from the center of the earth. I get all kinds of warnings. Most of them are from nutjobs, conspiracy theorists, and false prophets.

You want to hear a real warning: "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Some of you have gotten so caught up in following the devil's breadcrumb trails around that you've lost sight of the truth. You've got Jews and Christians that belong to different denominations than your own preferred view of the world working for the enemy. That's how fundamentally unclear some of you've become.

Liberty always has to be fought for. That's the way it's been since Cain killed Abel. But that doesn't translate into a few Jews have taken control of the world and are going to cut your head off after sticking you in death camp because the U.S. Congress recognized the historicity of the seven laws of Noah only one of which isn't in Christiandom (e.g. you don't have to be a vegetarian).

There's a lot of competition in the world. There always has been since Cain murdered Abel. Nations, political ideologies, religious worldviews, economic systems and factions, etc... etc... etc... all competing against each other for supremacy. There are winners and losers. China's positioning itself to be the next greatest super power... not Israel or Saudi Arabia and I'm not aware of the Jews running China friend.

Economic systems have been interrelated for centuries now and there's simply not room here to do that topic justice. From as far bas as the Byzantine-Arab confrontation throwing Western Europe into a great depression right through more modern interdependent economic meltdowns like the Opium War wrecking China's economy and the Dutch tulip mania putting Turkey into a recession, etc... right through to the interdependence we see today. Interdependence in global empires goes back a long ways but it never was and is not today a stack of dominos where you push one and the whole world tumbles into the stone age never again to rise from the ashes. That's a myth.

What happens is there are winners and losers. Winners gain supremacy and continue to compete with other winners while losers have to start over and rise to be competitive once again. That's how it works.

Consider:

"Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,a’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains." -Matthew 24:4-8.

We're still in thee beginning of birth pains Grandpa and even if another world war takes place it still may not be the end just like it wasn't in the last two. Jesus said, "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." -Matthew 24:36.

In 20 years, we might be in a real Christian revival. You've all taken on this big far-fetched jew-hating conspiracy theory and built a whole theology around it and it's based on breadcrumbs, smoke, mirrors, false assertions, and some world events that just do NOT prove it.


You can call it fake conspiracy theory if you want. You can even call the people that warn you, crazy. But if you think there is not some sort of plan against any group of people that come up against the powers that be, I would have to say that you are the one that is not thinking clearly. Do you really think there aren't people conspiring to be in charge of the world? That would be the ultimate conspiracy theory. That there's not any conspiracies... LOL

The strange thing right now is that everything that happens in one country affects the whole world. An earthquake in India causes gas prices to go up in Nevada. It looks like the foundation for end time events is occuring right now. Doesn't it? Doesn't the bible say we are going to look for someone to take the pain away from the whole world? We're pretty much already doing that aren't we? Another 20yrs of this and people will be begging to take a mark.
 
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Ok so you have amnesia regarding your own promises to provide credible verifiable information to prove your wild theory that a few of the 7 million Jews in the world that practice Judaism are going to take over the world and chop our heads off, are in full-bllown denial about my replies which already answered the majority of your questions, attack me constantly because of your own lack of moral character which I have observed is mixed with paranoid delusions about who I work for (Hint: Nobody!), etc...

But at the end of the day you don't have any credible evidence that the Jews are taking over the world to cut off the heads of all the Christians. Just a bunch of paranoid delusions built around speculation and everyday events that do NOT prove your wild Jew-hating conspiracy theory and a heart that brings forth evil continually about everyone that points that out.

And then, in between launching personal attacks, you wonder why I don't take you seriously. Might it be because you're a basketcase? Yes, that's it.
Quote me where I promised you anything regarding credible verifiable information.

You are a liar.

All you have is ad homs and attempted ridicule straight from the marxist playbook.

You dodge any attempts to actually discuss the subject matter as anyone can see. Why wont you continue the debate? Are you scared? everyones watching LOK and your losing, what are you gonna do about it?
 
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Zionism doesn't exist in the US constitution. The Constitution is America. Not whatever form of politician is in the White House or Congress or Supreme Court.
The Constitution is America?

LOLZ!

What does that mean Scottster?
 
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Zone, there are all kinds of eschatological views as well as interpretations of this passage in Christiandom. In many of them, genuine Christians alive today won't even be on earth when this occurs. And for the rest, the idea that a handful of 7 million Jews who believe in and practice Judaism (and that number actually is decreasing as Jews increasingly leave Judaism and intermarry with gentilies) have positioned themselves to control the world and aligned themselves with the devil and are coming to cut alll our heads off isn't even on the map except for a very few racist Jew-hating far-right sects that call themselves Christian but reallly aren't like Christian Identity. It's nonsense.
Here we go. Really goin for it now eh LOK?

Problem is.....your on your own. Everyone else can see your getting desperate. This is all you have left. The antisemite card. How original of you! Lets have a collection of hateful comments from us about the jews then buddy.

Come on list all the damning evidence for us.

Pathetic.
 
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I do.

That said, should we repel attempts to deprive us of our liberty: of course. There have been MANY sweeping global attempts to deprive people of their liberty since Christ's ascension to the right hand of the Father with many successful and many not.

Just in the 20th century WWI, WWII, and Communist cold war Christian survivors recount thinking they were in the Great Tribulation. They were NOT. And they had far more reason and credible evidence to support their thinking than the far-fetched conspiracy speculation and faulty reasoning off smoke and mirrors and bread crumbs you all are displaying in this forum.

For example, they didn't have fake conspiracy theories about the U.S. government ready to put a third of its citizens in barbwire death camps off of conjecture: they had the real deal both in legislation and in reality from quickly expanding empires that threatened to engulf the whole world.

Before Revelations 20:4 plays itself out much needs to occur. There are many threads unseen and some that are. You all are grasping at straws in my opinion with this Jew hating Christian Identity nonsense.
Expect this to be LOK's go to play from now on. We have several posts ON TOPIC requiring his attention but nope....fall back to pavlovian buzzphrases...hope no-one notices.

Continue to expose yourself by all means.
 
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But that doesn't translate into a few Jews have taken control of the world and are going to cut your head off after sticking you in death camp because the U.S. Congress recognized the historicity of the seven laws of Noah only one of which isn't in Christiandom (e.g. you don't have to be a vegetarian).

Law #7:

Establishment of religious courts to enforce the Noahide laws, with powers to behead those who dont comply.


Show where that law is in Christendom!
 
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The establishment of courts was too important to the social order to be ignored in antiquity. Law number seven refers to the establishment of courts to mitigate civil and criminal justice NOT as instruments of beheading to everyone that isn't a vegetarian and worships Jesus Christ as Lord.


Protestant's widely touted the benefit of the Noahide Laws as exegetical fodder against the Catholics in the seventeenth century when Europe was engulfed in religious wars.


But as a system of law, they failed because they aren't natural law as Protestants like John Sheldon once argued (which Isaac Abravanel discerned) and neither can they, as Joseph Albo pointed out "impart a full knowledge of the good."


Legal scholars and historians understand this. It's common in their writings. Nobody gives them any authority of law outside a few extremist rabbis in Judaism (with most dissenting) and far out modern conspiracy theorists like yourself.


The fact is that the Noahide laws were a prerequisite to living as a resident alien in the Land of Israel which became a dead-end presaging a far richer Jewish law which followed it.


The Noahide Laws were a Jewish counter point to the codification of the Ten Commandments at Sinai that was superceded. Today Noahide law is nothing more than a part of the legal heritage of archaic Jewish law which, from time-to-time, nations from antiquity to today acknowledge the historicity of. That's it!


You're desire to turn it into something else is a complete fabrication to accomplish your religio-political end game and all the name-calling in the world won't change that fact.


Religious, legal, and political scholars around the world rightly assert that Christianity (e.g. Christian revelation) ultimately rendered both Noahide and rabbinic law irrelevant as the gospel created a universal norm "written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness" and Christian law became the single greatest influence on the development of civil and criminal law in Western Civilization with secularization following. You're way way way out there guy with the false assertions. You need to both tone it down and get a grip on reality.
 
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No I'm not Strangelove. I remember that you did (so it would be an oversight at the most not a lie so you can quit with the ad hominem). And even if you didn't: you have an ethical responsibility to provide credible scholarly proof that a few Jews are going to take over the world and cut off everyone's heads after all the manical ranting you've done on the subject on this Christian forum in pursuit of your almost single-minded anti-Jew conspiracy theory as 100% fact in the face of reasonable rebuttal.

YES, you certainly do have an ethical responsibility to provide it after all that. Please provide credible verifiable scholarly evidence that the Jews have conspired to take over the world and chop off our heads. Still waiting...


Quote me where I promised you anything regarding credible verifiable information.

You are a liar.

All you have is ad homs and attempted ridicule straight from the marxist playbook.

You dodge any attempts to actually discuss the subject matter as anyone can see. Why wont you continue the debate? Are you scared? everyones watching LOK and your losing, what are you gonna do about it?