Christ in You is the Hope of Glory.

[yaright]

If you are in Christ and in Christ there is no sin. Why are you struggling?

I believe the Apostle Paul spoke of struggle in various facets of the same gem. "The things I wish to do, I do not do; and the things I wish not to do, I do." This sounds a bit like a struggle from within. The struggle does not mean that Paul was in danger of falling away from Christ. When Jesus said, "Your faith has made you clean" that does not mean there will not be a struggle in life. One of the troubles I've seen with the concept of having no struggles, is that one person will attempt to create doubt, using that person's faith in Jesus as grounds for condemnation, even though Jesus said your faith has made you clean. There are some who will speak against another by saying that person has little faith; believing somehow that Jesus said those words to warn them of falling away, which could not be further from the truth. Jesus only said those powerful words to those who followed Him closely. "Oh you of little faith" is a powerful place with God. That 'condition' of little faith comes by the things which seem right to a man. All christians go through this condition for lack of understanding; but those who follow; the path Jesus walked is rich in teaching, and strengthens a person every step in the self convicting wisdom of God. So if you see a person struggling (like Job), remember not to be like Job's friends, who saw Job's struggles as a sign of his indifference to God. If Job had not prayed for his accusers, they would have perished in God's sight.

 

[pickles]

I believe the Apostle Paul spoke of struggle in various facets of the same gem. "The things I wish to do, I do not do; and the things I wish not to do, I do." This sounds a bit like a struggle from within. The struggle does not mean that Paul was in danger of falling away from Christ. When Jesus said, "Your faith has made you clean" that does not mean there will not be a struggle in life. One of the troubles I've seen with the concept of having no struggles, is that one person will attempt to create doubt, using that person's faith in Jesus as grounds for condemnation, even though Jesus said your faith has made you clean. There are some who will speak against another by saying that person has little faith; believing somehow that Jesus said those words to warn them of falling away, which could not be further from the truth. Jesus only said those powerful words to those who followed Him closely. "Oh you of little faith" is a powerful place with God. That 'condition' of little faith comes by the things which seem right to a man. All christians go through this condition for lack of understanding; but those who follow; the path Jesus walked is rich in teaching, and strengthens a person every step in the self convicting wisdom of God. So if you see a person struggling (like Job), remember not to be like Job's friends, who saw Job's struggles as a sign of his indifference to God. If Job had not prayed for his accusers, they would have perished in God's sight.

yaright,
Well worth repeating!
Amen and thankyou dear Jesus!

God bless
pickles

 

[Red33]

GNOSTIC
FALSE GOSPEL
FALSE TEACHER.

another christ.

REJECT.

There are somethings that GaryMac says that seem to be confused. However, there are some things that he has posted that even you do agree with and have the same understanding about but you don't want that known by certain of the brethren, less they pile on you as you and others have piled on GaryMac. Back home as a kid we would play this game that if someone did or said something outrageous or stupid we jumped on him physically and cry out, "PIG PILE'. When we did that so many times to certain ones through repetition they started to think that they were being rejected and stopped associating with the group and isolated themselves. Oh, how stupid and reckless we were.

There seems to be a 'groupie' here that likes to pile it on certain ones who they don't agree with and they add a mocking spirit to their ridicule. They call is right doctrine but it's like that 'hippie' of the 60's and 70's, who wore their weird clothes, who thought they knew better and rebelled against authority but they had their 'peace movement' and the gov't was always wrong and civil authority was a beast. Well there are Christians that have the same spirit and have never been converted away from that spirit and they love to project it upon others, all in the name of proper doctrine and we know better. It becomes very easy for others to join in and start piling on, being humored and enamored with their own efforts of endorsing each other in the name labeling what they have deemed to be 'gnostic' and a 'false gospel' and take pride in rejecting those they consider false teachers.

 

[Red33]

so....mary was not a virgin when she was conceived of The Holy Spirit?

Joseph was Jesus' actual physical biological father?

JUST SOME PRECISION ON THIS AND I'LL BE DONE.
THANKS.

if you could provide scriptural support for us that might help.

I am surprised that you have not understood GaryMac and how he has spiritualized the virgin birth. You have taken the virgin birth in a literal manner while GaryMac has made Mary and all of us virgins until we receive the Spirit and Christ is born in us. You, of all people, who spiritualize some much in the scriptures concerning eschatology, especially pertaining to spiritual Israel and the literal church, that you adhere and ascribe to an understanding that takes and smashes much of the literal interpretation that is meant concerning end time events and their chronology. You should be able to understand where GaryMac is coming from and be able to identify the truth with him and not reject him as you have.

 

[zone]

I am surprised that you have not understood GaryMac and how he has spiritualized the virgin birth. You have taken the virgin birth in a literal manner while GaryMac has made Mary and all of us virgins until we receive the Spirit and Christ is born in us. You, of all people, who spiritualize some much in the scriptures concerning eschatology, especially pertaining to spiritual Israel and the literal church, that you adhere and ascribe to an understanding that takes and smashes much of the literal interpretation that is meant concerning end time events and their chronology. You should be able to understand where GaryMac is coming from and be able to identify the truth with him and not reject him as you have.

your acceptance GM's heresy just so you can seek revenge on me, merely because you HATE Covenant and Amillennialism. is reprehensible.

oh well......i see what all your preaching of endless love grace adds up to. you really stand for nothing.
just your mantric claims of soul-willing under xtian zionism.

~

was Jesus of Nazareth the naturally conceived baby of procreation (sex) between Mary and Joseph?

Absoutly. But the seed of God that was planted in Mary was Gods SPirit.

so....mary was not a virgin when she was conceived of The Holy Spirit?

Joseph was Jesus' actual physical biological father?.

Gary, are you claiming that Jesus was born through a sexual union between Mary, and Joseph?

His seed be planted in you is the same seed He planted in Mary, and remember, He never changes, why haven’t you all given birth to that same Christ, Gods anointing by His same Spirit?

That what was conceived in Mary is the same one conceived in all who will receive Him.

God ejaculating in you His Spirit, His mind, His everything, and we being His bride do give birth to His seed. Christ formed in you. When are you guys going to put all this together that you read from the word and act on it instead of making excuses why you can’t have in you that what Mary had in her and Jesus had in Him and Paul and John and all of these?

The message in the virgin birth is Gods Spirit planted in you and you giving birth to the Christ within.

What makes you better than Mary that He isn’t able, or better put, not welcomed do that what He came for and that is to put into you His disposition. What makes you better than Jesus that you can’t be like Him? And this is exactly what you are telling me that it isn’t possible for you to have His same Spirit in you He put .....Jesus....

Put it together folks! Why do you think it is paramount that His Spirit come to you and be in you and you give birth to the Christ that is supposed to be in you? Put it together, why would He want you to have the mind of Christ and why do you think He would want you to be one with Him He in you and you in Him as one. Put it together folks, why would he want you to be perfect even as He is? Why would all these things be said for you if He didnt want that of you?

You guys are not getting His message for you at all. It is YOU He seeks, It is YOU He came and gave His life so YOU may live His life,

It is YOU that He comes and puts in you that which is Holy, and righteous and everything He stands for as a son or daughter of His. How can you be an ambassador if you do not believe you can have in you that what Jesus had in him?




Tie it together. The message in the cross is:

death to the flesh man
an resurrection of the Spirit man
a new birth, Born again,

Christ birthed in you, His life giving seed reproducing a duplicate of the Father...



All the examples you read of in the book is for YOU and about YOU and who YOU are.

 

[GaryMac]

I believe the Apostle Paul spoke of struggle in various facets of the same gem. "The things I wish to do, I do not do; and the things I wish not to do, I do." This sounds a bit like a struggle from within. The struggle does not mean that Paul was in danger of falling away from Christ. When Jesus said, "Your faith has made you clean" that does not mean there will not be a struggle in life. One of the troubles I've seen with the concept of having no struggles, is that one person will attempt to create doubt, using that person's faith in Jesus as grounds for condemnation, even though Jesus said your faith has made you clean. There are some who will speak against another by saying that person has little faith; believing somehow that Jesus said those words to warn them of falling away, which could not be further from the truth. Jesus only said those powerful words to those who followed Him closely. "Oh you of little faith" is a powerful place with God. That 'condition' of little faith comes by the things which seem right to a man. All christians go through this condition for lack of understanding; but those who follow; the path Jesus walked is rich in teaching, and strengthens a person every step in the self convicting wisdom of God. So if you see a person struggling (like Job), remember not to be like Job's friends, who saw Job's struggles as a sign of his indifference to God. If Job had not prayed for his accusers, they would have perished in God's sight.

Very good, Thank you.
One thing I have discovered in Christ is -- having faith in Christ is not the same as having the faith of Christ. Christ came to give us His faith and we are to have His faith. I said this in a previous post that the blind man couldn’t see Jesus standing in front of him, but his faith applied resulted in seeing that what he did not see before. Had the blind man not applied faith in that what he couldn’t see, his result would have been confined to his darkness. It’s easy to say we have faith in Christ but a whole different scenario to apply that faith to obtain the same result as the blind man, no matter the difficulty. And the only way one can obtain that kind of faith is if the author of it Christ be in you. You simply cannot do it on your own merit.

 

[zone]

Red33:

GaryMac says THE MESSAGE OF THE CROSS IS:

........................................................

The message in the cross is:

death to the flesh man
an resurrection of the Spirit man
a new birth, Born again......

Christ birthed in you, His life giving seed reproducing a duplicate of the Father...

All the examples you read of in the book is for YOU and about YOU and who YOU are.

....................

Red33: is that the message of The Cross?
Red 33....are YOU A DUPLICATE OF THE FATHER?

 

[zone]

Very good, Thank you.
One thing I have discovered in Christ is -- having faith in Christ is not the same as having the faith of Christ. Christ came to give us His faith and we are to have His faith. I said this in a previous post that the blind man couldn’t see Jesus standing in front of him, but his faith applied resulted in seeing that what he did not see before. Had the blind man not applied faith in that what he couldn’t see, his result would have been confined to his darkness. It’s easy to say we have faith in Christ but a whole different scenario to apply that faith to obtain the same result as the blind man, no matter the difficulty. And the only way one can obtain that kind of faith is if the author of it Christ be in you. You simply cannot do it on your own merit.

WORD....OF....FAITH....HERESY

 

[lil_christian]

Thread = trainwreck....

 

[GaryMac]

There are somethings that GaryMac says that seem to be confused. However, there are some things that he has posted that even you do agree with and have the same understanding about but you don't want that known by certain of the brethren, less they pile on you as you and others have piled on GaryMac. Back home as a kid we would play this game that if someone did or said something outrageous or stupid we jumped on him physically and cry out, "PIG PILE'. When we did that so many times to certain ones through repetition they started to think that they were being rejected and stopped associating with the group and isolated themselves. Oh, how stupid and reckless we were.

There seems to be a 'groupie' here that likes to pile it on certain ones who they don't agree with and they add a mocking spirit to their ridicule. They call is right doctrine but it's like that 'hippie' of the 60's and 70's, who wore their weird clothes, who thought they knew better and rebelled against authority but they had their 'peace movement' and the gov't was always wrong and civil authority was a beast. Well there are Christians that have the same spirit and have never been converted away from that spirit and they love to project it upon others, all in the name of proper doctrine and we know better. It becomes very easy for others to join in and start piling on, being humored and enamored with their own efforts of endorsing each other in the name labeling what they have deemed to be 'gnostic' and a 'false gospel' and take pride in rejecting those they consider false teachers.

Thank you.
Maturity comes by admitting when you know you are wrong. Jesus calls it repentance. Your will agrees with God, but in your flesh there is a disposition which renders you powerless to do what you know you ought to do.


Instinct is to protect the flesh; the flesh does not want to give up that right to be right. When a thing is presented that would go against everything the flesh teaches then in rebellion the flesh will lash out as in the case of Christ Jesus and prevalent in this forum. If one be in Christ, everything that Christ has is in agreement and His will for us to be one with Him. "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure."


The thing in one which makes him say "I cant or I will not" is something less profound than your will; it is perversity, or obstinacy, and they are never in agreement with God.


Redemption comes by repentance and repentance changing ones will from … I can’t or I will not … to complete power in the Holy Spirit to accomplish His will in you. In a regenerated man the source of will is almighty. Unshaken faith that only Christ in you can display.


These who lash out against anything less do not know what they are doing. They have not experienced what it is to have that unshaken faith and walk in the same power of mind that Jesus did. And we can’t hold that against them for not knowing, all we can do is stand in that unshaken faith whether it leads us to crusifiction or not.

 

[GaryMac]

I am surprised that you have not understood GaryMac and how he has spiritualized the virgin birth. You have taken the virgin birth in a literal manner while GaryMac has made Mary and all of us virgins until we receive the Spirit and Christ is born in us. You, of all people, who spiritualize some much in the scriptures concerning eschatology, especially pertaining to spiritual Israel and the literal church, that you adhere and ascribe to an understanding that takes and smashes much of the literal interpretation that is meant concerning end time events and their chronology. You should be able to understand where GaryMac is coming from and be able to identify the truth with him and not reject him as you have.

Thank you.

 

[zone]

Thank you.
Maturity comes by admitting when you know you are wrong. Jesus calls it repentance. Your will agrees with God, but in your flesh there is a disposition which renders you powerless to do what you know you ought to do.


Instinct is to protect the flesh; the flesh does not want to give up that right to be right. When a thing is presented that would go against everything the flesh teaches then in rebellion the flesh will lash out as in the case of Christ Jesus and prevalent in this forum. If one be in Christ, everything that Christ has is in agreement and His will for us to be one with Him. "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure."


The thing in one which makes him say "I cant or I will not" is something less profound than your will; it is perversity, or obstinacy, and they are never in agreement with God.


Redemption comes by repentance and repentance changing ones will from … I can’t or I will not … to complete power in the Holy Spirit to accomplish His will in you. In a regenerated man the source of will is almighty. Unshaken faith that only Christ in you can display.


These who lash out against anything less do not know what they are doing. They have not experienced what it is to have that unshaken faith and walk in the same power of mind that Jesus did. And we can’t hold that against them for not knowing, all we can do is stand in that unshaken faith whether it leads us to crusifiction or not.

can you read people's minds GARYMAC?
are you able to see into the hearts of men as Christ (GOD) is?
do you have the POWER "OF MIND" (!*&) THAT JESUS CHRIST THE CREATOR HAS?

of course you do.
you can BIRTH THE CHRIST (false christ)WITHIN YOU AND BE AN EXACT DUPLICATE OF THE FATHER.

gag.

 

[GaryMac]

WORD....OF....FAITH....HERESY

Why would you who confess that you follow the way of Christ call His way for you a heresy? What is it about His faith that you do not agree with? What religion do you follow that would confess such obstinacy against the one who came to give you His faith?

 

[lil_christian]

Wait for it.....

BAM!

 

[GaryMac]

can you read people's minds GARYMAC?
are you able to see into the hearts of men as Christ (GOD) is?
do you have the POWER "OF MIND" (!*&) THAT JESUS CHRIST THE CREATOR HAS?

of course you do.
you can BIRTH THE CHRIST (false christ)WITHIN YOU AND BE AN EXACT DUPLICATE OF THE FATHER.

gag.

Indeed, everything my Father has is given to me His son and it is easy, it is easy to see what is in others by what comes out from them. I know you by what comes out from you, it is very evident, as I do all the rest here. It isn’t what goes into the man that defiles him, it is what comes out from you that we know him and judge him.


One can be the smartest man in the world until he opens his mouth.

 

[GaryMac]

Do I believe that Almighty God is the source of my will?
God not only expects me to do His will, but He is in me to do it.
Phil 2:12-13

 

[lil_christian]

 

[lil_christian]

Do I believe that Almighty God is the source of my will?
God not only expects me to do His will, but He is in me to do it.
Phil 2:12-13

Psst....WRONG WILL!

 

[GaryMac]

WORD....OF....FAITH....HERESY

What is this word of faith heresy keep harping on?

 

[Red33]

your acceptance GM's heresy just so you can seek revenge on me, merely because you HATE Covenant and Amillennialism. is reprehensible.

oh well......i see what all your preaching of endless love grace adds up to. you really stand for nothing.
just your mantric claims of soul-willing under xtian zionism.

~

What I think of 'amillennialism' or covenant theology has nothing to do with how you have addressed GaryMac. The only revenge I am after is to be obedient to the truth (2Cor 10:6).You are an independent Christian that has her own theology which has not been submitted to the whole counsel of God that has been given to the church and body of Christ. That is your prerogative but it does not prove all things especially in this matter or in any of the others that you perpetrate. GaryMac has no malice and is not revengeful as you have accused me of being. This is how he understands these matters of truth and he has a good heart concerning these matters of truth whether you ascribe to that or not.