I could react to the scripture you correctly quoted, but I doubt you know about the baptism of the Holy Spirit. What I will address is your ignoring of the 120 JEWISH (not Greek) believers of Acts 2, referenced in my post. Weren't they first? Just curious, but when Jesus told His disciples to " receive ye the Holy Ghost " in John 16 He did something first. What was it?
First of all, those 120 Jews could be from "every nation under heaven", according to not me, but Act 2:5 - "And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven"; second, "Greek saved first" was applied on a NATIONAL level, not an individual level. The gospel will be rejected by the majority of Jews until all the Gentile nations receive it and Christ returns.
"JEWS, devout mem, from EVERY nation under heaven." were at the feast of Pentecost, AFTER the 120 were in the upper room in Jerusalem. There is no mention of Gentiles being in THAT number, they were Jewish and if, as you believe, no one was saved until Acts 2, then the Holy Spirit fell on the 120 FIRST. The FIRST saved were JEWISH. You can dance around that all you want. IT'S TO THE JEW FIRST., either individually or nationally." For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; TO THE JEW FIRST, and ALSO TO THE GREEK." Romans 1:16 P.S. You didn't answer the question of what Jesus did BEFORE he told His disciples to " receive ye the Holy Ghost "
Since "Jews" were from every nation under heaven defined by the bible itself, how do you know the 120 in the upper room were all natives and not "from every nation under heaven"? There were plenty Samarians, Canaanites even Romans accepted Jesus as the Messiah, who are you to exclude them all from His disciples?
It would seem to me that, in a world where there is no pollution would be a world where there is no wasted energy. For example, in an energy efficient automobile, there would be no exhaust coming out its tailpipe.
I posted that the 120 in the upper room were Jews who first experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit BECAUSE IT'S (as the Bible says) TO THE JEW FIRST! What about that don't (or can't you) understand? " To Him give all the prophets witness, that through His name whosoever believeth in Him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And THEY OF THE CIRCUMCISION (Jews) which (already) believed WERE ASTONISHED, as many as came with Peter, because that ON THE GENTILES ALSO WAS POURED OUT THE GIFT OF THE GHOST. ( How did they know?) For they heard them (Gentiles) speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these (Gentiles) should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost AS WELL AS WE(Jews) Acts 10:44-47. (parenthesis mine) If Gentiles were in the upper room as part of the 120, as you opine, why were they of the circumcision "astonished" when the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Gentiles? This proved that only Jews had heretofore received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I can't continue to go back and forth with you if you don't or refuse to agree with scripture. Have a good night. P.S. You still didn't answer the question.
I have faithfully abided by the Scripture's own definition of "Jews" in this context, it is you who keeps arguing agaisnt it.
You posted that the Greeks were first saved, whether individually or nationally and, by scripture, that is simply not true.
What does babbling and Matthew 6:9 have to do with each other? When, say, cars were first purchased by the public, shortly thereafter the realization set in that rules had to be engaged to operate them properly. That's is akin to Paul's mention and INSTRUCTION of tongues to the Corinthian church. He, by the leading of the Holy Spirit, set up guidelines for the operation of the church and not just tongues only. These letters were copied, passed around and read in most, if not all the churches. There was no need to keep harping, there were written instructions available. Yes, Paul wrote that prophecies shall fail; tongues shall cease; and knowledge, it shall vanish away in 1 Cor 13:8. But that only happens when " that which is perfect is come " in verse 10. Now if you say that " that which is perfect " is scripture, the completed bible ( I have heard it argued ) than prophecies have failed, tongues have ceased and KNOWLEDGE HAS VANISHED AWAY. Is that true? You can't cherry pick, you KNOW that knowledge has not vanished away. The bible, as we know it today. was finalized in the 16th century. Did tongues last until then? How about the Latin Vulgate in the 4th century? The Apostle Paul, in 1 Corinthians 13:1, said " Though I speak with the tongues of men AND OF ANGELS, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal." This is clearly two different methods of speaking in tongues, one exampled in Acts 2 and the other referenced by none other than Jesus in Mark 16:17- " And these signs shall follow them that believe; in My Name shall they cast out devils; they SHALL SPEAK WITH NEW TONGUES; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." If you don't believe those signs follow you, they won't. They operate by faith, and faith works by love.
Key words? "Will be ", future tense. Past tense, Jews WERE saved first. . We're talking about what HAS happened. Period. Mic drop.
Future tense from Lord Jesus's perspective. We're talking about what HAS happened, He was teaching what WILL happen. Period. Mic drop.
Again, plz define "Jew" according to the scripture. Per Acts. 2:5, Jews came from all surrounding regions; per Rom. 2:25-29, Jewish identity hinges upon lawkeeping.
Firstly, Paul NEVER mentioned babbling in relation to speaking in tongues, he spoke in tongues more than all who were in the Corinthian church. Babbling is your definition, not Paul's, because you don't believe. ".......: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Rev.19:10 The most important thing for a true Christian to do is testify (in word and deed) of Jesus. That's why Paul considered it more important. " In my experience, tongues.. ", YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE IN TONGUES! and that's why it is problematic to you, you don't believe. BTW, you couldn't forbid glossolalia,(speaking in tongues) if you wanted to, only to yourself, because you don't believe. ".... Faith worketh by love." Gal. 5:6. I have faith in what Jesus said in Mark 16:17 and I speak in tongues. You can never dissuade one with experience with a theory built on doubt in what Jesus says. Paul NEVER said " not all have any gift other than love ", no" faith, which works by love" (Gal. 5 :6), is the foundation for all the gifts of the Spirit, including speaking in tongues. " There is no fear in love: but perfect love casteth out fear..." 1 John 4:18, the "love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which (Who) is given unto us." Romans 5:5. God's love is perfect and it's in the hearts of those who believe, we must choose to operate by it. Have crazy things been done in tongues, love, prophecy, preaching, etc., etc., yes, because people are involved, remember Jesus knows where Satan's seat is in the church (Rev 2:13) but that doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bath water. Spiritual discernment, rather than man's religious tradition, helps to differentiate between what is Godly and what is not. I once heard of an evangelist who was ministering in a foreign land ( I forget who). When he arrived he noticed there were some who had missing eyes and inquired why, was there a certain disease in that region. They answered no, but that the Bible, in Matthew 5:28-29, says that" if thy right eye offend thee pluck it out." They took it literally, having not been taught the spiritual implications of the scripture. I suspect that the same happens to those who purposely drink deadly things, not being properly taught. Speaking in tongues is not a requirement for salvation, you don't HAVE to, but you GET to. Everything Jesus says is mine, as a believer, I want.
Those revelations that Paul received were not known when, through the Jews, the church was born. A Jew, when the church was born, were those born of the twelve tribes. The first mention of a proselyte Jew is in Acts 6:5, Nicolas of Antioch. There is no other mention of proselytes earlier, so we can't assume there were, even from the surrounding regions. If you do that's just your opinion, not God's Word.
