Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour !

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He saves them to the uttermost !

Those sinners Christ came to save, He came to save them to the uttermost as He lives to make intercession for them Heb 7:25

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

That word uttermost means :

all complete, entire

completely, perfectly, utterly

Yet in mans religion, He's a potential Saviour.
 
brightfame52 said:
In mans religion, though they speak of Christ as the Saviour, they really mean that Hes merely a potential Saviour and that Salvation ultimately rests in the decision or will of the sinner. In other words, its up to the sinner to make Christ a Saviour unto them.

This fallacious reasoning is error and dishonors Christ as the Saviour of His People. for its written that He shall save His People from their sins Matt 1:21, not potentially save them !
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.........uh, er.......

You believe that Jesus will SAVE ALL PEOPLES? I don't think you understand what Scripture/Paul mean when it reads/he says "He shall save HIS PEOPLE...." \

There is a whole bunch of folks who WILL NOT receive Eternal Life!
 
There are scriptures that are vague enough in the original language that both just some individuals being ultimately healed of their sinful nature being the proper understanding and that all humans will ultimately be healed of their sinful nature as being proper. Pre-Constantine, the latter understanding was more common, post-Constantine the former understanding took hold. Constantine offered financial support for the "proper" church, so that gave incentive to restrict who was "proper". Now which is the correct interpretation is technically an open question, even though tradition claims to know the answer.
 
brightfame52 said:
In mans religion, though they speak of Christ as the Saviour, they really mean that Hes merely a potential Saviour and that Salvation ultimately rests in the decision or will of the sinner. In other words, its up to the sinner to make Christ a Saviour unto them.

This fallacious reasoning is error and dishonors Christ as the Saviour of His People. for its written that He shall save His People from their sins Matt 1:21, not potentially save them !

When Christ died and afterwards rose from the dead, and ascended to the Right Hand of God, He ascended as a Prince and a Saviour Acts 5:31

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

The word Saviour means: a savior, deliverer, preserver. None of these denote possibilities, maybes, or potentially, but actuality, He actually ascended as a Saviour, deliverer, a preserver.

Some may appeal to 1 Tim 4:10

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.


Now does this verse state that Christ is a potential Saviour to all men ? No it doesn't, but it says God is Saviour of all men, especially of those [men] who believe!

Many pervert this scripture so it would be saying that God is a potential Saviour to all men, but an actual Saviour to them that believe. See God cant be technically a Saviour to the unsaved, for thats a contradiction, He is their God in Judgment, but not as a Saviour.

So what does the word specially mean in this verse and how can it be understood without contradicting the fact that God is a actual Saviour and not merely a Saviour, or a Saviour unto unsaved men?

Its the greek word malista

:especially, chiefly, most of all, above all primary adverb μάλα mála (very); (adverbially) most (in the greatest degree) or particularly:—chiefly, most of all, (e-)specially.

So its a word Paul uses here to denote and clarify who particularly God in Christ is a Saviour to, not all men without exception, but particularly of they which are believers. I fact this verse should dispel the faulty idea of God being the Saviour of unbelievers. Sure even the saved are unbelievers naturally, however they shall be brought to Faith, because the promise is, the Just/justified shall live by Faith Rom 1:17

Folks Christ rose and ascended as a Prince and a Saviour, not a potential Saviour!
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“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;


but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

seems all creation is offered the potential to be saved or damned
 
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To say or even imply that Christ is merely a potential Saviour is a repudiation of the fact that its promised He shall save His People from their sins Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus for he shall save his people from their sins.

Mans religion says Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus for he shall potentially save his people from their sins.
 
brightfame52 said:
Blasphemy, for this is saying He is a potential saviour.
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Jesus was blaspheming when he said this ?

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


i question whether you understand what blasphemy is
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
Lol yeah again I don’t think you understand what blasphemy is .
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Dont matter what you think my friend
Pilgrimshope said:
It’s just another attempt by the “ man has no choice “ crowd to invent an argument that holds up ….
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What you represent is another attempt for man to exalt himself to the throne of God to be co saviour with Christ.
 
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Its a disgrace to the Name of Jesus Christ to teach Salvation is merely a possibility or potential through Him.

Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now who are His People here ? Lets look at Jn 17:1-2

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life or save to as many as thou hast given him.

These persons , some of mankind, not all, were given to Jesus Christ by His Father to save or to give eternal life to. These are His People.

Again Jn 6:37-39

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

There is nothing potential about Christ Saving His People from their sins. There's nothing about Jesus Christ merely making Salvation possible. Jesus saved all whom His Father purposed to be saved by Him ! 2
 
Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

In these last and evil days the Christ of scripture has been sorely misrepresented by mans religion, for they make him out to be a possible saviour, a contingent saviour, based upon the performance of a condition by man.

However that's not the Saviour Christ of the scripture revelation, far from it. The Jesus Christ of scripture is a Saviour because He shall save [not all without exception] His People from their sins, its a word of promise, therefore conditioned on God in Christ alone !
 
brightfame52 said:
Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

In these last and evil days the Christ of scripture has been sorely misrepresented by mans religion, for they make him out to be a possible saviour, a contingent saviour, based upon the performance of a condition by man.

However that's not the Saviour Christ of the scripture revelation, far from it. The Jesus Christ of scripture is a Saviour because He shall save [not all without exception] His People from their sins, it’s a word of promise, therefore conditioned on God in Christ alone !
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So are you saying that all people are saved or God only chose a select few to be saved?
 
Just_A__Follower said:
So are you saying that all people are saved or God only chose a select few to be saved?
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An excellent question, after all, which people did God not create or does not love? Colossians 1:20 is a very difficult verse to translate with absolute certainty and in at least one potential translation implies the ultimate salvation of everything God created.
 
rewriter said:
An excellent question, after all, which people did God not create or does not love? Colossians 1:20 is a very difficult verse to translate with absolute certainty and in at least one potential translation implies the ultimate salvation of everything God created.
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Colossians 1:20 shows that Christ reconciles all things, making salvation available to everyone, but it does not mean everyone will be saved. Individuals still must respond in faith. Christ built the bridge but we must walk across it.
 
brightfame52 said:
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus for he shall potentially save his people from their sins.
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His people. HIS PEOPLE! Not ALL people. Those who exercise their free will to believe in Him and endure to the end SHALL BE SAVED. Those who continue to live in unbelief and die in their unbelief will not.
 
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