Oh and also it’s nice to put people’s handles in if you’re gonna claim they’re promoting satan’s religion. @Dino246, @Inquisitor , @Psalm1 , @ATG
The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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Can you quote it directly please- give the exact reference and quote so we can look at the entirety of it.
Do you have problems in comprehensions while reading ? I never said the covenant is a mere set of rules to follow blindly quite the opposite. for the rest of what you wrote you describe Jesus sealing with His blood the new Covenant. You have not understood this thread is about the new covenant being the ten commandments, Jesus did what you mentioned yes but is is not the topic of this post.
If you want me to write about Jesus and His sacrifice and the new covenant I can but ill do it on another thread. I probably wrote something about it here in this forum, ill have to check. is that you want to talk about?
Quote this exact quote. Provide the link and highlight this exact quote you claimed in quotation marks. All of her writings are online, so if its there it should be easy to point to it.
I see no problem with that if they follow what is in the bible like I do there is no problem. About AI, it seems very smart but far from infallible it CANNOT understand spiritual matters it only seem to sometimes but it does make a lot of mistakes and it cheats to please you. Be careful with it, its a great tool for grammar, translation and for searching verses on a topic but that's all i use it for personally , It cannot be trusted.
They did not! I rejected her writings because of this and it. I remember " automatic writings" which I detest! these were used to contact spirits by mediums and is unacceptable, detestable to God and Forbidden.
However Many Adventists have rejected her writings do not place them all in the same basket! Do not judge them by this.
Can you give an example please? She has never advocated spirits and mediums, was very against this, so I am not sure what you are referring to.
It honestly hurts my head reading this stuff.
657. The moral evils of a flesh diet are not less marked than are the physical ills. Flesh food is injurious to health, and whatever affects the body has a corresponding effect on the mind and the soul. Think of the cruelty to animals that meat eating involves, and its effect on those who inflict and those who behold it. How it destroys the tenderness with which we should regard these creatures of God!—The Ministry of Healing, 315, 1905
If Jesus ate lamb and fish, are we to say that He was being cruel and morally evil?
I’m not judging them at all. I simply said Ellen White was a false prophet. Would you agree?
The wording you originally quoted is not a direct Ellen White statement. She writes, “Think of the cruelty to animals that meat eating involves… How it destroys the tenderness with which we should regard these creatures of God.” She is speaking of how animal's are being treated to be eaten which was never God's original intent, that only came after a fallen nature because of sin.
That shows the earlier statement was clearly taken out of context and you should not be making direct quotes that are not from someone, this is actually a false witness.
Ok great. Maybe it was a paraphrase or maybe my source was wrong. So can you answer the questions?
If Jesus ate lamb and fish, are we to say that He was being cruel and morally evil?
And where in scripture did she come to this conclusion?
When people mention “automatic writing,” they’re referring to a spiritualist practice where mediums claim spirits guide their hand to write messages. Some critics try to apply that label to Ellen White because of descriptions of her visions, but that’s not something she taught or practiced as part of spiritualist mediumship. In fact, she strongly warned against spiritualism and spirit communication. So when people bring up “automatic writing” in connection with her, it’s usually an accusation or comparison critics make, not a documented practice she promoted.
Why don't you do your own research before accusing someone of such a huge accusation. If you are replying based on what "other people say" and deeming it as fact - what else are you doing this with? God's word? Prayerfully study it for yourself and not let other people tell you how to think. There is a spiritual war going on with our souls.
She is speaking of cruelty to animals on how some animals are handled for food. She never applied to it everyone eating meats that God deemed okay to eat after the flood. You (or your source) totally took that out of context. Do you not think God cares about His creation and how we handle them? God cares about the sparrows Mat10:29, He cares that animals are being tortured before eating.
Most people who make accusations against EGW is from what they read on the internet. In Christ days His apostle's, disciple's and Christ Himself were called false teachers by those professing to be God's people.
There is no way one can come to the conclusion by reading Steps to Christ
Or the Desire of Ages
m.egwwritings.org
That her writings are not inspired by God.
Stop judging her based on what other people say on the internet, we may end up just like those who rejected Christ and His apostle's. That is not saying she is the same as Christ not at all, but the same spirit of mocking Christ and His prophets is present today. Read her writings first than judge not the other way around.
As an Adventist I spend most of my time reading and studying the Bible. Most of the allegations against EGW that I have researched has been taken out of context or just plain false. She guides people back to the word of God and that's where she says is the authority. God's Word.
There is no way one can come to the conclusion by reading Steps to Christ
Or the Desire of Ages
The Desire of Ages — Ellen G. White Writings
m.egwwritings.org
That her writings are not inspired by God.
Stop judging her based on what other people say on the internet, we may end up just like those who rejected Christ and His apostle's. That is not saying she is the same as Christ not at all, but the same spirit of mocking Christ and His prophets is present today. Read her writings first than judge not the other way around.
As an Adventist I spend most of my time reading and studying the Bible. Most of the allegations against EGW that I have researched has been taken out of context or just plain false. She guides people back to the word of God and that's where she says is the authority. God's Word.
So you don’t want to answer the questions? Did she consider eating lamb at Passover to be morally evil?
Or what about this:
“Those who indulge in meat eating, tea drinking, and gluttony are sowing seeds for a harvest of pain and death. The unhealthful food placed in the stomach strengthens the appetites that war against the soul, developing the lower propensities. A diet of flesh meat tends to develop animalism. A development of animalism lessens spirituality, rendering the mind incapable of understanding truth.“
Where in scripture did she get that? Seems absurd to believe this is true since the first thing Jesus ate after He was resurrected was fish. Was He promoting the development of animalism? If His disciples were all eating fish and lamb, how can we know that they understood truth and weren’t just animalistic?
Did she say Passover? She is speaking about animal cruelty, sorry if you think God does not care about His creation, its not true, every death of an animal is a reminder of sin because before sin animals were never eaten. God's perfect plan was in Eden before sin and the fallen nature of man. He is going back to that where there will be no more death and animals are still part of heaven, but not for food.
I would show you but what's the point? You have made up your mind and don't care if things are out of context or not or harmonized with the rest of ones writings. Its best I dust my feet, God will sort it all out in His time.
SB, Look I want to be really clear about something before I close this out because I think it matters a lot. There are genuinely wonderful people in the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Sincere, warm, passionate lovers of God who take Scripture seriously and who genuinely want to walk in His ways and you are one of them. This is not about attacking adventists or dismissing everything the church stands for. That would be completely unfair and honestly just wrong. I think it is one of the only church i know that is truly following scripture.
And here is something else worth saying clearly. The Adventist Church does hold some genuinely biblical truths. The seventh day Sabbath being the most obvious one and we have gone through that at great length in this thread. But here is the thing. The Sabbath does not need Ellen White to make it true. It does not stand or fall based on whether she was a genuine prophet. It stands on Genesis 2 where God blessed and sanctified the seventh day at the very foundation of creation. It stands on the words of Jesus who declared Himself its Lord. Ellen White did not discover the Sabbath and she cannot validate it or invalidate it. It existed thousands of years before she was born and it will still be standing long after every human opinion about it has faded away.
But the honest question about whether Ellen White herself was a true prophet of God cannot be answered by loyalty to a church or by pointing to the good things she may have also written or by how much the denomination has grown under her influence. That is not how God told us to evaluate prophets. He gave us a specific test and it is not complicated:
When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord if the thing does not happen or come to pass that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken the prophet has spoken it presumptuously thou shalt not be afraid of him. (Deuteronomy 18:22 KJV)
Did it come to pass or not? That is the question. And Jesus gave us an equally straightforward standard:
Ye shall know them by their fruits. (Matthew 7:16 KJV)
Not by their reputation. Not by how many books they wrote. Not by how large their following became. By their fruits. When you apply those two tests honestly and consistently to what we actually know about Ellen White, the specific prophecies that never happened, the teachings about Christ and the atonement that contradict clear Scripture, the claims about knowing the day and hour of Christ's return that directly contradict the words of Jesus, and the extensive plagiarism in writings she herself said were directly from the throne of God, the conclusion is not comfortable but it is unavoidable. She does not pass the tests God gave us.
And that conclusion has been reached not just by outsiders looking in but by honest researchers within the Adventist Church itself.
In fact after the plagiarism research became impossible to ignore in the 1980s the church was forced to publicly acknowledge that they needed to reassess the nature and authority of her writings. Many thoughtful Adventist scholars today are far more cautious about treating her writings as essentially equivalent to Scripture than the church's historical position ever was. That is a significant and honest acknowledgment that deserves to be recognised.
And for anyone reading this who has built a significant part of their faith on the authority of Ellen White I genuinely want to say that sitting with this information is hard. It can feel like the ground is shifting under your feet and that feeling deserves real compassion not dismissal. But here is the good news and it really is good news. Jesus has not moved. His words are still exactly where they always were. His tests are still trustworthy. His ground is still the most solid thing in the universe. And the Sabbath He is Lord of does not rise or fall with any human prophet no matter how influential. It stands exactly where God placed it from the very first week of human history and nothing that any person writes or claims or gets wrong can change that.
Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away. (Matthew 24:35 KJV)
His words. Not hers. Not anyone else's. His. And honestly they are enough.
You can say what you want about the health message of the Adventist church,
This charge against EGW about plagiarism was settled a long time ago, by a third part attorney.
https://whiteestate.org/about/issues1/about-egw/writings/ref-lib/ramik-report/
I think you are reading what is on the internet instead of making your opinion about what she actually said. This is a common trap and people did this type of thing about Jesus and the apostles what was "word of mouth" instead of actually hearing what they were saying,
It doesn't matter to me if you believe EGW or not, all of my teachings come from Scripture, they can be support by Scripture, but so can her writings, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have her own opinions about things. I have not found one case where an accusation made against her was not either false or out of context. She is trying to get people back to the word of God and God's Sabbath and there is a spiritual war where people do not want us to join ourselves to the LORD Isa56:6 but the beast system who changed God's times and laws Dan7:25 that power can lie and make things up on the internet. God will sort it all out soon enough.
There is no a conclusion that you speak of around Adventists, its part of our 28 beliefs https://adventist.org/beliefs#belief-18. This is non-Adventists or people who never really were Adventists. Most people try to paint her as a false prophet so they don't have to keep God's Sabbath and you and I both know God's Sabbath came from God, no One else.
This charge against EGW about plagiarism was settled a long time ago, by a third part attorney.
https://whiteestate.org/about/issues1/about-egw/writings/ref-lib/ramik-report/
I think you are reading what is on the internet instead of making your opinion about what she actually said. This is a common trap and people did this type of thing about Jesus and the apostles what was "word of mouth" instead of actually hearing what they were saying,
It doesn't matter to me if you believe EGW or not, all of my teachings come from Scripture, they can be support by Scripture, but so can her writings, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have her own opinions about things. I have not found one case where an accusation made against her was not either false or out of context. She is trying to get people back to the word of God and God's Sabbath and there is a spiritual war where people do not want us to join ourselves to the LORD Isa56:6 but the beast system who changed God's times and laws Dan7:25 that power can lie and make things up on the internet. God will sort it all out soon enough.
I can assure you that eating meat has had no deleterious effect on my health. Adventist declarations to the contrary are false.
We are not yet in the millennial kingdom where animals and people will no longer be carnivorous. Until then, God's word in the New Testament approves of eating meat.
Why should every animal death be a reminder of sin? You are not going to stop animals killing each other. For now, death is both the human and and animal realm condition. I know this much. If you offered an animal a choice between humane slaughter and being savaged by a pack of hyenas, the animal would choose a quick and painless end.
If you want to be vegetarian, fine. Look at it this way: I'm eating animals that eat your food. I'm doing you a favour.