Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?

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cv5 said:
"3) It says that power was given the Antichrist to overcome church."

Technically, the Church, the Bride, has already been raptured.
This occurs BEFORE the man of sin is ever revealed.
This occurs "in the twinkling of an eye", just at twilight before the DARKNESS, before the NIGHT, aka the tribulation.

However the TRIBULATION SAINTS (those who come to faith during the trib) are overcome and suffer death.
As does the nation Israel.

And remember, ONLY the Church gets "changed" aka "transformed"......while they are still ALIVE on the earth.

1Th 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Co 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
“Changed” (Greek: allagēsometha) = transformed, altered

1Co 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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Israel is gathered in Rev 14.

Concerning the church, in mat 24 and mat 25 half the church is gathered.
The bride is that remnant of the church.
Those left behind are killed, martyred.

The times of the Gentiles completely fulfilled and ended at the martyrs, who are the innumerable number in heaven.

At that point of the Gentiles fulfilled, Jacob's trouble begins.

The purpose of the trib is the ending of the church age and the ushering in of Jacobs trouble.

The 144k ethnic Jewish firstfruits are sealed and established, at the start or near start, as firstfruits of the Jewish rapture of rev 14:14
 
Psalm1 said:
I have asked postribs for a postrib rapture verse.
I have 8 or 10 to the contrary.
They have none.
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The words of Jesus aren't enough?

Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 
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cv5 said:
"3) It says that power was given the Antichrist to overcome church."

Technically, the Church, the Bride, has already been raptured.
This occurs BEFORE the man of sin is ever revealed.
This occurs "in the twinkling of an eye", just at twilight before the DARKNESS, before the NIGHT, aka the tribulation.

However the TRIBULATION SAINTS (those who come to faith during the trib) are overcome and suffer death.
As does the nation Israel.

And remember, ONLY the Church gets "changed" aka "transformed"......while they are still ALIVE on the earth.

1Th 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Co 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
“Changed” (Greek: allagēsometha) = transformed, altered

1Co 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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Have you noticed that almost all postribbers have become anti Semitic ?

I think it is because of the 144,000 firstfruit ethnic Jews.

Just that phrase all by itself , "144000 ethnic firstfruit Jews " totally destroys their doctrine.
^^^^^;^^^^NO JOKE ^^^^^^^^^^
One phrase in the bible that must be changed...AND THEY DO CHANGE IT.

Very very strange.
Very very telling
 
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farmerjoe said:
The words of Jesus aren't enough?

Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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Educate yourself. These are the Israelite remnants. NOT the Church.

Isa 27:12
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered ***one by one***, O ye children of Israel.

Isa 27:13
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

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The verse you quoted (Matthew 24:31) is part of a wider biblical theme often called the “ingathering of Israel” or “final regathering from the nations.” In the Old Testament, there are many prophecies describing God gathering His people “from the four corners / ends of the earth,” often in an end-time or messianic restoration context.


Below is a key list of major OT passages commonly cited as describing that regathering (especially in eschatological interpretations tied to the Messiah’s return):



1. Torah (Foundational promise of regathering)​


Deuteronomy​


  • Deuteronomy 30:3–6
    God will “gather you again from all the nations” and “circumcise your heart,” bringing Israel back to the land.


2. Major Prophets​


Isaiah​


  • Isaiah 11:11–12 – The Lord will “recover the remnant of His people… from the four corners of the earth.”
  • Isaiah 27:12–13 – A great trumpet is blown; the exiles return and worship in Jerusalem.
  • Isaiah 43:5–7 – God brings Israel’s descendants “from the east… west… north… south.”
  • Isaiah 49:22–23 – Nations bring Israel’s sons and daughters back.
  • Isaiah 66:20–21 – Survivors are gathered from all nations “like grain offering” to Jerusalem.


Jeremiah​


  • Jeremiah 23:7–8 – A regathering greater than the Exodus from Egypt.
  • Jeremiah 30:3 – God will restore Israel and Judah to the land.
  • Jeremiah 31:8–10 – God gathers Israel “from the north country and from the coasts of the earth.”


Ezekiel​


  • Ezekiel 11:17 – Israel gathered from the peoples and restored to the land.
  • Ezekiel 20:34–38 – God brings Israel out from the nations and purifies them.
  • Ezekiel 34:11–13 – The Shepherd gathers His scattered flock from all lands.
  • Ezekiel 36:24 – Israel is taken “from among the nations” and brought home.
  • Ezekiel 37:21–22 – The two houses of Israel are united and regathered into one nation.


3. Minor Prophets​


Zechariah​


  • Zechariah 8:7–8 – God saves His people “from the east country and from the west.”
  • Zechariah 10:8–10 – Israel is “whistled for” and gathered from far countries.


Amos​


  • Amos 9:14–15 – Israel is planted back in their land and never uprooted again.


Micah​


  • Micah 2:12 – God gathers the remnant of Israel like a flock.


Zephaniah​


  • Zephaniah 3:19–20 – God gathers the lame and scattered and restores their fortunes.


Key Pattern Across These Texts​


Across all these passages, several consistent themes appear:


  • Israel is scattered among all nations
  • God Himself initiates the final regathering
  • The gathering is described as global (“four winds / ends of the earth”)
  • It is often linked with:
    • restoration of the kingdom
    • spiritual renewal
    • Messianic / end-time fulfillment
 
cv5 said:
Educate yourself. These are the Israelite remnants. NOT the Church.

Isa 27:12
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered ***one by one***, O ye children of Israel.

Isa 27:13
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

*************************************************************************************

The verse you quoted (Matthew 24:31) is part of a wider biblical theme often called the “ingathering of Israel” or “final regathering from the nations.” In the Old Testament, there are many prophecies describing God gathering His people “from the four corners / ends of the earth,” often in an end-time or messianic restoration context.


Below is a key list of major OT passages commonly cited as describing that regathering (especially in eschatological interpretations tied to the Messiah’s return):



1. Torah (Foundational promise of regathering)​


Deuteronomy​


  • Deuteronomy 30:3–6
    God will “gather you again from all the nations” and “circumcise your heart,” bringing Israel back to the land.


2. Major Prophets​


Isaiah​


  • Isaiah 11:11–12 – The Lord will “recover the remnant of His people… from the four corners of the earth.”
  • Isaiah 27:12–13 – A great trumpet is blown; the exiles return and worship in Jerusalem.
  • Isaiah 43:5–7 – God brings Israel’s descendants “from the east… west… north… south.”
  • Isaiah 49:22–23 – Nations bring Israel’s sons and daughters back.
  • Isaiah 66:20–21 – Survivors are gathered from all nations “like grain offering” to Jerusalem.


Jeremiah​


  • Jeremiah 23:7–8 – A regathering greater than the Exodus from Egypt.
  • Jeremiah 30:3 – God will restore Israel and Judah to the land.
  • Jeremiah 31:8–10 – God gathers Israel “from the north country and from the coasts of the earth.”


Ezekiel​


  • Ezekiel 11:17 – Israel gathered from the peoples and restored to the land.
  • Ezekiel 20:34–38 – God brings Israel out from the nations and purifies them.
  • Ezekiel 34:11–13 – The Shepherd gathers His scattered flock from all lands.
  • Ezekiel 36:24 – Israel is taken “from among the nations” and brought home.
  • Ezekiel 37:21–22 – The two houses of Israel are united and regathered into one nation.


3. Minor Prophets​


Zechariah​


  • Zechariah 8:7–8 – God saves His people “from the east country and from the west.”
  • Zechariah 10:8–10 – Israel is “whistled for” and gathered from far countries.


Amos​


  • Amos 9:14–15 – Israel is planted back in their land and never uprooted again.


Micah​


  • Micah 2:12 – God gathers the remnant of Israel like a flock.


Zephaniah​


  • Zephaniah 3:19–20 – God gathers the lame and scattered and restores their fortunes.


Key Pattern Across These Texts​


Across all these passages, several consistent themes appear:


  • Israel is scattered among all nations
  • God Himself initiates the final regathering
  • The gathering is described as global (“four winds / ends of the earth”)
  • It is often linked with:
    • restoration of the kingdom
    • spiritual renewal
    • Messianic / end-time fulfillment
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Educate yourself. The word ELECT never implies Israelites in the NT. In the OT yes, a few times. It at times refers to angels, (twice I think) and Twice to Jesus. Elect refers to Christians whether Jews or gentiles. Here's Strong's definition of elect...do you see Israelites in there?

It refers to angels in 1Ti 5:21,
It refers to Christ in Luke 23:25

Definition...

  1. picked out, chosen
    1. chosen by God,
      1. to obtain salvation through Christ
        1. Christians are called "chosen or elect" of God
      2. the Messiah is called "elect", as appointed by God to the most exalted office conceivable
      3. choice, select, i.e. the best of its kind or class, excellence preeminent: applied to certain individual Christians________________________________________
    2. Vines... "
    3. Choice, Choose, Chosen:

      akin to A, No. 1, signifies "chosen out, select,"
 
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1588. eklektos ek-lek-tos' from 1586; select; by implication, favorite:--chosen, elect.

4401. procheirotoneo prokh-i-rot-on-eh'-o from 4253 and 5500; to elect in advance:--choose before.
4899. suneklektos soon-ek-lek-tos' from a compound of 4862 and 1586; chosen in company with, i.e. co-elect (fellow Christian):--elected together with.
 
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farmerjoe said:
Educate yourself. The word ELECT never implies Israelites in the NT. In the OT yes, a few times. It at times refers to angels, (twice I think) and Twice to Jesus. Elect refers to Christians whether Jews or gentiles. Here's Strong's definition of elect...do you see Israelites in there?

It refers to angels in 1Ti 5:21,
It refers to Christ in Luke 23:25

Definition...

  1. picked out, chosen
    1. chosen by God,
      1. to obtain salvation through Christ
        1. Christians are called "chosen or elect" of God
      2. the Messiah is called "elect", as appointed by God to the most exalted office conceivable
      3. choice, select, i.e. the best of its kind or class, excellence preeminent: applied to certain individual Christians________________________________________
    2. Vines... "
    3. Choice, Choose, Chosen:

      akin to A, No. 1, signifies "chosen out, select,"
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On ignore. Bye bye!
 
cv5 said:
On ignore. Bye bye!
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Having trouble coping, are you? I've never known a pre-tribber to admit their colossal blunders! I know how much the truth hurts when you're debunked on a public forum. Just think - all I did was quote Strong's and Vines!

And here's a guy whose signature reads, 'Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, That we should be called children of God!'
 
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farmerjoe said:
The words of Jesus aren't enough?

Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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You seem to forget that there will be vast numbers of people saved during the Great Tribulation. Right now, most people who claim to be Christians have the name but no reality. The Great Tribulation will force people to make a decision. Elijah berated Israel for their indecision:
"Then Elijah approached all the people and said, “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him. But if Baal is God, follow him.” But the people did not answer a word." 1 Kings 18:21

There will be no escaping during the Tribulation. People either choose Christ or the Beast. There is no fence to sit on.
 
Gideon300 said:
You seem to forget that there will be vast numbers of people saved during the Great Tribulation. Right now, most people who claim to be Christians have the name but no reality. The Great Tribulation will force people to make a decision. Elijah berated Israel for their indecision:
"Then Elijah approached all the people and said, “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him. But if Baal is God, follow him.” But the people did not answer a word." 1 Kings 18:21

There will be no escaping during the Tribulation. People either choose Christ or the Beast. There is no fence to sit on.
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I don't know why you presume that, "I seem to forget that there will be vast numbers of people saved during the Great Tribulation." I agree there will be. I do believe different about the beast than most, but I don't want to derail the thread.

Right now, most people who claim to be Christians have the name but no reality
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I try not to judge whether one is or isn't a Christian.
 
2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
YOU'RE the one making all these assumptions, not post-trib believers.

Your pre-trib false doctrine is so shaky that you have to lie to others about what post-trib believers believe.


Post-trib is simple - rapture happens AFTER the GT, not after the ac is revealed.

So go ahead. Keep waiting for pre-trib rapture. It won't happen, even after the ac is revealed.

And you won't be able to say you were right when the rapture happens AFTER the GT, because THAT is the post-trib rapture.


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You seem to forget that there will be vast numbers of people saved during the Great Tribulation. Right now, most people who claim to be Christians have the name but no reality. The Great Tribulation will force people to make a decision. Elijah berated Israel for their indecision:

"Then Elijah approached all the people and said, “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him. But if Baal is God, follow him.” But the people did not answer a word." 1 Kings 18:21


There will be no escaping during the Tribulation. People either choose Christ or the Beast. There is no fence to sit on.


It's the perfect reason to get real with God right now. No one in their right minds wants to go through the GT. God does not intend for His people to go through it. Real believers have enough to deal with right now.


Revelation 3:10 states that God will keep those who are faithful from the hour of trial that is to come on the whole earth. Those who refuse to compromise with the world now will not be subject to the Great Tribulation. Also Luke 21:36.
farmerjoe said:
I don't know why you presume that, "I seem to forget that there will be vast numbers of people saved during the Great Tribulation." I agree there will be. I do believe different about the beast than most, but I don't want to derail the thread.


I try not to judge whether one is or isn't a Christian.
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Well you need to know. We are not called to judge outsiders, as Paul says. But when someone comes to a meeting, we need discernment. I was a member of a church that was destroyed by one false "brother". He came in and wormed his way into the pastor's favour. He was able to manipulate the pastor into making some really bad decisions.

Paul wrote a lot about keeping out the false from churches. Most of what he wrote was to counteract false teaching. The "open door" policy of most churches allows God's enemies in. That is part of the reason why much of the church has become weak and insipid.
 
Gideon300 said:
You seem to forget that there will be vast numbers of people saved during the Great Tribulation. Right now, most people who claim to be Christians have the name but no reality. The Great Tribulation will force people to make a decision. Elijah berated Israel for their indecision:

"Then Elijah approached all the people and said, “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him. But if Baal is God, follow him.” But the people did not answer a word." 1 Kings 18:21


There will be no escaping during the Tribulation. People either choose Christ or the Beast. There is no fence to sit on.


It's the perfect reason to get real with God right now. No one in their right minds wants to go through the GT. God does not intend for His people to go through it. Real believers have enough to deal with right now.


Revelation 3:10 states that God will keep those who are faithful from the hour of trial that is to come on the whole earth. Those who refuse to compromise with the world now will not be subject to the Great Tribulation. Also Luke 21:36.
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Are you guys still going to post here when the GT arrives and you're all still here?

I really want to know how you will all feel about being here and being presented with the question of allegiance to the antichrist and the mark of the beast.

I really would rather be martyred than lose Jesus!


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Are you guys still going to post here when the GT arrives and you're all still here?

I really want to know how you will all feel about being here and being presented with the question of allegiance to the antichrist and the mark of the beast.

I really would rather be martyred than lose Jesus!


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To those that possess the maturity and wisdom that derives from biblical literacy, this as a consequence of serious Bible study, these passages are both exactingly congruent and beautifully coherent and describe/present eschatological truth quite infallibly.

But, if you really don't care to know, well then, yes, they remain inscrutable and contemptible.

[2Ti 2:17-18 KJV]

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

[2Th 2:1-3 KJV]

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
 
cv5 said:
To those that possess the maturity and wisdom that derives from biblical literacy, this as a consequence of serious Bible study, these passages are both exactingly congruent and beautifully coherent and describe/present eschatological truth quite infallibly.

But, if you really don't care to know, well then, yes, they remain inscrutable and contemptible.

[2Ti 2:17-18 KJV]

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

[2Th 2:1-3 KJV]

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
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I guess you can't answer because it's too horrible to think about being in the GT. But you should all rreally think about what you would do when it gets here.

I've already made up my mind that I'd rather give up my ability to buy and sell, as well as my head and life than to lose my Lord Jesus. I hope and pray you all will too.


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Psalm1 said:
In mat 24 the postrib gathering is "from heaven"
( where the church has been for 7 years.)
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No, read the passage-- from one end of heaven to the other. That is, from the horizon. In the book of Isaiah, Babylonians come from 'the end of heaven.' We see heaven meet earth at the horizon.
 
Psalm1 said:
1) It says every man, Woman can child not written in the book receives the mark.
2)It says to refuse it is to be beheaded.
3) It says that power was given the Antichrist to overcome church.
4)Concerning believers, it says they overcame the AC by the blood of the lamb, and the word of their testimony and they love not their lives, unto death. 5) In other words..... they died.
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It does not say that he kills them all. According to II Thessalonians 2, there will be some 'church' left. There is some elect to be gathered at the parousia according to Matthew 24. The dead in Christ rise first at the parousia according to I Thessalonians 4. The lawless one is destroyed at the brightness of His parousia in II Thessalonians 2:8.
 
Gideon300 said:
Jimmy Evans is a well known preacher
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And a charlatan who engages in chicanery

He's also a money changer as he like to change your money from your hand to his :rolleyes:


Gideon300 said:
Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?
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Neither. Mid trib.


2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

*The phrase ”Gathering together”
Strongs 1997 = from 1996; a complete collection; especially a Christian meeting (for worship): -- assembling (gathering) together.
Strongs 1996 = from 1909 and 4863; to collect upon the same place: KJV -- gather (together).

*The phrase ”Falling Away”
Strongs 646 = feminine of the same as 647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"): KJV -- falling away, forsake.
Strongs 647 = neuter of a (presumed) adjective from a derivative of 868; properly, something separative, i.e. (specially) divorce: KJV -- (writing of) divorcement.
Strongs 868 = from 575 and 2476; to remove, i.e. (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.: KJV -- depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.

*Same word is translated “forsake” in Acts 21:21 - so this is what the word means: many will forsake the Lord (speaking of those that were Christians but fall away)

Definitions point to the rapture not happening until many who claim to be Christians fall away from the faith, and the anti-christ is revealed

This would mean the traditional pre-trib rapture view could not be correct
where Christians are taken out before the anti-christ is revealed, but instead Christians will be here leading up to the start of the anti-christ coming to power

Some claim the word translated “falling away” really means rapture… if that were true, then 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 would say the rapture won't happen until the rapture happens and the anti-christ be revealed which it does NOT say.
 
cv5 said:
Educate yourself. These are the Israelite remnants. NOT the Church.

Isa 27:12
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered ***one by one***, O ye children of Israel.

Isa 27:13
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

*************************************************************************************

The verse you quoted (Matthew 24:31) is part of a wider biblical theme often called the “ingathering of Israel” or “final regathering from the nations.” In the Old Testament, there are many prophecies describing God gathering His people “from the four corners / ends of the earth,” often in an end-time or messianic restoration context.


Below is a key list of major OT passages commonly cited as describing that regathering (especially in eschatological interpretations tied to the Messiah’s return):



1. Torah (Foundational promise of regathering)​


Deuteronomy​


  • Deuteronomy 30:3–6
    God will “gather you again from all the nations” and “circumcise your heart,” bringing Israel back to the land.


2. Major Prophets​


Isaiah​


  • Isaiah 11:11–12 – The Lord will “recover the remnant of His people… from the four corners of the earth.”
  • Isaiah 27:12–13 – A great trumpet is blown; the exiles return and worship in Jerusalem.
  • Isaiah 43:5–7 – God brings Israel’s descendants “from the east… west… north… south.”
  • Isaiah 49:22–23 – Nations bring Israel’s sons and daughters back.
  • Isaiah 66:20–21 – Survivors are gathered from all nations “like grain offering” to Jerusalem.


Jeremiah​


  • Jeremiah 23:7–8 – A regathering greater than the Exodus from Egypt.
  • Jeremiah 30:3 – God will restore Israel and Judah to the land.
  • Jeremiah 31:8–10 – God gathers Israel “from the north country and from the coasts of the earth.”


Ezekiel​


  • Ezekiel 11:17 – Israel gathered from the peoples and restored to the land.
  • Ezekiel 20:34–38 – God brings Israel out from the nations and purifies them.
  • Ezekiel 34:11–13 – The Shepherd gathers His scattered flock from all lands.
  • Ezekiel 36:24 – Israel is taken “from among the nations” and brought home.
  • Ezekiel 37:21–22 – The two houses of Israel are united and regathered into one nation.


3. Minor Prophets​


Zechariah​


  • Zechariah 8:7–8 – God saves His people “from the east country and from the west.”
  • Zechariah 10:8–10 – Israel is “whistled for” and gathered from far countries.


Amos​


  • Amos 9:14–15 – Israel is planted back in their land and never uprooted again.


Micah​


  • Micah 2:12 – God gathers the remnant of Israel like a flock.


Zephaniah​


  • Zephaniah 3:19–20 – God gathers the lame and scattered and restores their fortunes.


Key Pattern Across These Texts​


Across all these passages, several consistent themes appear:


  • Israel is scattered among all nations
  • God Himself initiates the final regathering
  • The gathering is described as global (“four winds / ends of the earth”)
  • It is often linked with:
    • restoration of the kingdom
    • spiritual renewal
    • Messianic / end-time fulfillment
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I like how you presented the prophetic passages from the Old Testament.

Have you noticed how the destruction of the Temple duplicated itself. IMO, there are two end times events, concerning Israel, that are duplicated. The one that occurred for Israel based on Daniel's nineth chapter, and the other, a future post millennium, occurring with the second resurrection initiated in Ezekiel 37 with the resurrection of the dead.

I believe also in another end event, that occurs for the time of the Gentiles, just before the millennium. I wouldn't expect anyone to agree with this, but sometimes you have to think outside the box.
 
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