Loss of salvation???

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Forget what MFW is....
But I probably agree with you.




Let's take a look:

1 Corinthians 15:51
42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”;e the last Adam a life-giving spirit.

46The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so also are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.

Where, O Death, Is Your Victory?
(Hosea 13:9–14)

50Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must be clothedf with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality,g then the saying that is written will come to pass: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

I'd say that the above is speaking about the resurrection and not the rapture.
Verse 51: When Jesus returns, at the end of the world, some will still be alive...
they will not be sleeping/dead.
In the twinkling of an eye,,,we will all be changed into our glorified bodies.
The dead will be raised imperishable....never to die again.
And those found to be living will also be clothed with the imperishable....the glorified body that will never die again.


Where do you see the rapture above?



1 Thessalanians 4:17
13Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death,c so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope.

14For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep.

16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.

17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.



The above is also speaking about the resurrection, at the end of the world.
Jesus will bring with Him those that had already died. Verse 14

Those who are still alive when Jesus returns will not go before those that are already dead. Verse 15

When Jesus returns, the dead in Christ will rise first. Be with Him. Verse 16


Those that are still living when Jesus returns,,,will be caught up with those that had already died so that they become one groupl
Verse 17

I don't see any rapture there either.

The question is:
How many times is Jesus coming back?
One or Two?


If we want to accept that the rapture is true,,,Jesus will have to come back twice:
Once for the rapture of the saved,,,and then again for everyone at the end of the world.


Where are these two times in scripture??

MFW is the opposite of TULIP

The rapture of Christians who are living when Jesus returns is in 1Cor. 15:51 & 1Thes. 4:17.
What do you think happens to them when the last trumpet sounds?
 
This is probably why you don't understand it so well. You're reading it as if you wrote it.

That's what the demons keep claiming, but they can only tell lies.


If the law doesn't recognize her as your wife, then she'll be left without her husband's estate when you die.

The law actually does recognize her as my wife legally.
Thanks for your concern. It was quite touching.


See my first comment about who wrote what.

Doesn't matter who said it, anybody that claims when one submits their lives to the Lord and are being led by the Holy Spirit the result is not good works is not being led by the real Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.

They are being led by a fake "holy spirit" which is nothing more than a low level devil.


it's about a truly saved individual.

And some who are truly saved backslide and become not saved.

1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)
 
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That's what the demons keep claiming, but they can only tell lies.
Ahh so, NO wonder there are so many lies.
The law actually does recognize her as my wife legally.
Thanks for your concern. It was quite touching.
IF there's no concern, then why might one make an entire thread about it.
Doesn't matter who said it, anybody that claims when one submits their lives to the Lord and are being led by the Holy Spirit the result is not good works is not being led by the real Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.

They are being led by a fake "holy spirit" which is nothing more than a low level devil.
"Good" is very obvious a subjective description. What source do you check to see if your works are "good"?
 
The Sabbath is not a Levitical law- God said it is one of His commandments Exo20:6 it started at Creation Exo20:11, before Levi's before Jews, before Moses, before Israel- made for mankind Mark2:27-27 and everyone Isa56:6 thus saith the LORD.

Why the LORD said it continues after the Cross Mat24:20 as we see plainly Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 17:2 Acts 18:4 and for eternity thus saith the LORD Isa66:22-23

This is not an argument with me. This is God speaking directly.
Not true, again you’re conflating the 2 covenants, and not taking those Scripture in context.

Paul, and others, often went into the synagogues on the sabbath, because that’s when the Jews gathered so that they could preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to them.
Many Jews believed, and were baptized, while others created problems. They were often thrown out of the synagogues for blasphemy and not teaching the traditions of the Jews.

No where in the NT does it command the Gentiles to honor the Sabbath.
 
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Is this race a competition?
Yes actually Paul is referencing something that in that time frame would have been very popular and obviously a runner would not be just running on his own for best time Paul is directly using the current events to make his point so yes I believe the reference would have to be a real competition
 
Not true, again you’re conflating the 2 covenants, and not taking those Scripture in context.

Paul, and others, often went into the synagogues on the sabbath, because that’s when the Jews gathered so that they could preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to them.
Many Jews believed, and were baptized, while others created problems. They were often thrown out of the synagogues for blasphemy and not teaching the traditions of the Jews.

No where in the NT does it command the Gentiles to honor the Sabbath.
Moreover the only way that one can impose the Sabbath or other Mosaic law on anybody is to deny about 40 different verses across Paul's writings and claimed they mean the exact opposite of what they state.

In addition you also have to go back not only in the New Testament but in the Old Testament and redefine words and terms that we have already had clear definition of for centuries if not millennia.

And perhaps the biggest thing that you have to do to conclude incorrectly about the Mosaic law is to misunderstand or not understand at all what Christ did for us on the cross
 
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Yes actually Paul is referencing something that in that time frame would have been very popular and obviously a runner would not be just running on his own for best time Paul is directly using the current events to make his point so yes I believe the reference would have to be a real competition
Paul also used a 'good fight' analogy, which brings to mind the end of a competition where the players line up to tell one another, "Good game" when the competition is finished.
 
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I know it's not directly related to topic, but I think it's in the mix. So, adding this one.

Acts 13:48 NKJB
Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
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“Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.” Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭38‬-‭39‬, ‭41‬-‭42‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
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Moreover the only way that one can impose the Sabbath or other Mosaic law on anybody is to deny about 40 different verses across Paul's writings and claimed they mean the exact opposite of what they state.

In addition you also have to go back not only in the New Testament but in the Old Testament and redefine words and terms that we have already had clear definition of for centuries if not millennia.

And perhaps the biggest thing that you have to do to conclude incorrectly about the Mosaic law is to misunderstand or not understand at all what Christ did for us on the cross
That’s just it, we live by the Gospel of Jesus Christ under the NC, because He nailed the OC to the cross, when He died.
 
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Ahh so, NO wonder there are so many lies.

Yes and you shouldn't be repeating their lies.


IF there's no concern, then why might one make an entire thread about it.

The bigger question is why are you worried about it?


What source do you check to see if your works are "good"?

Obviously not the source the false teachers use who claim a person can live in sin and still be in right standing with the Lord.


Paul also used a 'good fight' analogy, which brings to mind the end of a competition where the players line up to tell one another, "Good game" when the competition is finished.

And of course those walking after the flesh lost and were not in the winners circle.
 
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That’s just it, we live by the Gospel of Jesus Christ under the NC, because He nailed the OC to the cross, when He died.
Jesus totally flipped the rules of engagement on their head wherein death was loss in the OC but gain in the NC. "For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain (Phil 1:21).
 
I agree it may be 1 in a million, however the bible has no impiracle statement. As I have mentioned before, this question of OSAS still exists because there is no solid answer. I will also note that it would be unlikely.
I disagree, I think there is in fact a solid answer in the Bible.

Passages such as 1 John 3:1-3 and Colossians 3:1-4 can only be true if none who are born again are lost. Were there any who were actually raised with Christ that did not appear with Him in glory, that verse would not be true. Scripture cannot be broken. This is prophetic, and it will be fulfilled.

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

If you've been raised with Him, you shall appear with Him.

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

If you are God's child now, you will be like He when He appears.

This are simple and unqualified statements aside from those two facts, being rasied with Jesus, and being born of God. If this is true for you now, the appearing with Him and being like Him will be true for you then.

Philippians 3:20-21 KJV
20) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21) Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

If you are a citizen of heaven now, you shall be transformed then.

For me, these are conclusive.

Much love!
 
Obviously not the source the false teachers use who claim a person can live in sin and still be in right standing with the Lord.
You must know that's not an answer . . . why use deflection if you can actually answer the question?

Much love!
 
That’s just it, we live by the Gospel of Jesus Christ under the NC, because He nailed the OC to the cross, when He died.
What are hot and fascinating is that it's 99% Gentile who have fallen into this Hebrew roots or what Solberg terms as Torahism.

The Jewish people themselves who has studied and lived the Torah for thousands of years will tell straight up you have to follow all of it.
 
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Shoot.
You look worse than me!!

So I'll answer:

Q: HOW IS ONE CHOSEN?
A: THE ONE WHO BELIEVES IN JESUS WILL BE SAVED.

THE WHOSOEVERS of the WORLD.

OK.
You could go back and rest now.



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““For many are called, but few are chosen.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Only but a few, of the many Christians who were called into Christ, will make it.

Perhaps because the many are too worldly, or sitting on the fence, or is just Christian on paper, or is not following the Jesus’/ the apostles’ doctrine.
 
What are hot and fascinating is that it's 99% Gentile who have fallen into this Hebrew roots or what Solberg terms as Torahism.

The Jewish people themselves who has studied and lived the Torah for thousands of years will tell straight up you have to follow all of it.
And none do!
 
Yes and you shouldn't be repeating their lies.
I'm not lying.
The bigger question is why are you worried about it?
I just thought it was a good example of when the law applies to some while it doesn't to others.
Obviously not the source the false teachers use who claim a person can live in sin and still be in right standing with the Lord.
How about a person who lives under the law and still be right under grace?
And of course those walking after the flesh lost and were not in the winners circle.

Isn't living under the law still living after the flesh?
 
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“Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.” Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭38‬-‭39‬, ‭41‬-‭42‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
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" in the name of Jesus" is significant in this verse it is simply stating you need to repent for salvation and you need to be baptized it in the name of Jesus. It is not suggesting that baptism saves rather baptism is an act that you do in the name of Jesus usually after salvation as a sign to those what has happened internally

There are verses both by Jesus as well as other apostles that simply say believe and be saved and if it worked at those points then it's pretty clear that the versus in your quote or not implying that baptism is required for salvation
 
Not true, again you’re conflating the 2 covenants, and not taking those Scripture in context.

Paul, and others, often went into the synagogues on the sabbath, because that’s when the Jews gathered so that they could preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to them.
Many Jews believed, and were baptized, while others created problems. They were often thrown out of the synagogues for blasphemy and not teaching the traditions of the Jews.

No where in the NT does it command the Gentiles to honor the Sabbath.
So this is a different argument than your last one. Your last one was the Sabbath is a Levitical law, when God said it started at Creation before Jew/Israel/Levi etc. and God said the Ten Commandments are His commandments Exo20:6

In the NT all of God's people keep God's commandments Rev14:12 John14:15 1John5:3 Rev12:17 Rev22:14KJV

The Sabbath is included in the commandments of God according to God Exo20:6 who would know what are God's commandments than God Himself. He called it His Testimony Exo31:18 and they included Ten Commandments Deut4:13 including the 4th commandment. I do not know why man thinks they can tell God what are or are not His commandments- that puts man above God and not a good spot to be in when He calls us to be His servant Isa56:6

The Sabbath is the only day God named in the entire Bible and He said its the seventh day Exo20:10 He used them interchangeably Exo20:11 starting from Creation.

The fact we see the Sabbath mentioned over 55 times in the NT shows it didn't end. Who can override God? People don't realize who this argument is really with. God's written and spoken Testimony written out by God Himself.


It was not just the Jews keeping every Sabbath it was both God-fearing Jews and Gentiles



Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us:

‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles,
That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”


48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

Just as the LORD predicted


Salvation for the Gentiles

Isa 56:1 Thus says the LORD:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.

2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,

And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the LORD
Speak, saying,
“The LORD has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the LORD:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord GOD, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
“Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”



No wonder why both Jews and Gentiles kept every Sabbath
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

And continues on for all flesh (God's saints) for eternity thus saith the LORD Isa66:22-23

No wonder why the saints keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus until the very end of time Rev14:12 because they live by what Jesus told us to, what God said Mat4:4 not following what is popular with man Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 He warned us not to.