Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

[Nedsk]

Can't you make the logical connection going by my answer? For example, God prepares a work for someone, and brings about the opportunity to do it, but his faith falters and he leaves it undone (he chooses to). I suppose that you've gathered that this means that he is on his way to hell.

I learned long ago that it's dangerous assume what others mean unless it's clearly stated and if you're struggling to state clearly what you mean then it suggests to me you aren't clear about what you mean. Are works a choice? That's a yes or no question.

 

[mailmandan]

You're the only one playing. AGAIN in James 2:24 what is the word "and" referring to?

I already caught you red handed in a critical contradiction. You can answer your own question, troll.

 

[Nedsk]

I already caught you red handed in a critical contradiction. You can answer your own question, troll.

No you caught me in what you think is a "critical contradiction". I'd run too if I was you.

 

[legion]

Paul said that charity, love in action, works, is greater than faith.

And faith works by love.

No charity then no faith.

Paul said without charity he is nothing, and they have erred from the faith.

James said without charity their faith is dead.

And Abraham was justified by works which made his faith perfect.

For a person is justified by works and not faith alone.

John said without charity the love of God does not dwell in them.

So do not love in word, neither in tongue, but in deed, works, and in truth.

Which love is valid in works.

So Paul, James, and John say the same thing.

Without works of love then faith is invalid.

Because love is greater than faith.

And faith works by love.

How can faith be there without love if faith works by love.

So we have to have works.

Not works motivated by the flesh which will not measure up to perfect but will fall short.

But works of the Spirit that can be perfect in love.

If anyone preaches godliness is gain withdraw yourselves from them.

Having food and clothing be content.

For the love of money is the root of all evil for it neglects the poor and needy, and love is the fulfilling of the law.

Millions of people claiming Christ are enjoying their wants and not helping people with their needs like they should.

Therefore their faith is invalid.

And it is not a partial thing but must be works of love all the time.

We are saved by faith and not by works when we first confess Christ for that is all we can do.

But then we have to allow the Spirit to lead us having works of the Spirit to have faith valid.

For perfect faith has the right perspective of God's kingdom which is love.

If you are enjoying your wants you violate love.

You are conflating Old Testament with New Testament. There is no salvation in the Old Testament there is only a way to be in communication with God

Excellent.

'Faith Alone' is an ideology in the minds of some Christians, who put all their trust in their faith alone. And so, faith is greater than love.

For those who declare they are saved by their faith alone without works. They will not say they also have the love of God without works.

'Faith Alone' is become an idol to many Christians, that believe their salvation stands high alone and apart from what they are doing, whether good or evil.

'Faith Alone' is the definition of religious hypocrisy. They always have their religion on the inside, including when not on the outside.

James{1:22}
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Mat 15:8
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.



Correct again. Eph 2 separates the faith of God with works of His grace, vs the faith of man with works of their own to boast of.

The first is faith with grace, God's faith. The latter is faith with pride, proud faith.

Then explain how the thief on the cross ended up in Paradise With Jesus since he had no works and only faith

 

[Mem]

I learned long ago that it's dangerous assume what others mean unless it's clearly stated and if you're struggling to state clearly what you mean then it suggests to me you aren't clear about what you mean. Are works a choice? That's a yes or no question.

IOW, you have no critical thinking skills.

 

[Inquisitor]

I will show you my faith by my works

What you stated above says it all.

I will show you my faith by my works

I will show you my true faith, sincere faith, genuine faith.

By the way I behave!

 

[mailmandan]

No you caught me in what you think is a "critical contradiction". I'd run too if I was you.

More childish troll behavior.

 

[Mem]

More childish troll behavior.

It is advisable to run from sexual sin (1cor 6:18). How much more should we from those of the spiritual sense.

 

[Cameron143]

Run, run, as fast as you can.
You can't catch me. I'm the Gingerbread Man.

 

[Genez]

Two different salvations

Faith alone = placed into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit. This saves you from the second death.
Works through Faith = activity of righteousness defined by being led by the Spirit of God. This saves you from the corruption of the world.

It is that simple. Thank you!

 

[Nedsk]

IOW, you have no critical thinking skills.

Sure I do thats why I dont assume anything others say

IOW, you have no critical thinking skills.

 

[Nedsk]

More childish troll behavior.

But you just cant answer the question can you? Its very simple in James 2:24 what is the word AND referring to? I know you can do it

 

[JayWalker]

I'm done playing games with you.

So you admit to play game then up till now?

You're the only one playing. AGAIN in James 2:24 what is the word "and" referring to?

James 2:26
faith without works is dead

More childish troll behavior.

Of course if he does not agree with you, then that makes him a troll right?

It is advisable to run from sexual sin (1cor 6:18). How much more should we from those of the spiritual sense.

Those of reformed theology are involved in spiritual adultery against the Lord so don't expect much truth to come from their camp.

 

[mailmandan]

So you admit to play game then up till now?

It did not start out as a game but he turned our discussion into a game and I don't like playing games. I prefer reasoning through the scriptures.

James 2:26
faith without works is dead

You mean James 2:20.

Of course if he does not agree with you, then that makes him a troll right?

Simply disagreeing with someone doesn't make one a troll. Childish troll behavior does. I've been a member of Christian Chat since 2014 and Ive seen my fair share of trolls and agitators over the years.

Those of reformed theology are involved in spiritual adultery against the Lord so don't expect much truth to come from their camp.

So, you judge and condemn everyone in the reformed theology camp?

 

[JayWalker]

I've been a member of Christian Chat since 2014 and Ive seen my fair share of trolls and agitators over the years.

I'll bet they all made the same mistake - they failed to agree with you. Weird.

So, you judge and condemn everyone in the reformed theology camp?

False doctrine is as false doctrine does ya know.

 

[mailmandan]

I'll bet they all made the same mistake - they failed to agree with you. Weird.

I already told you otherwise.

False doctrine is as false doctrine does ya know.

So, that's a yes.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

I already told you otherwise.

So, that's a yes.

You should ask him about his heretical pelagian views.

 

[mailmandan]

You should ask him about his heretical pelagian views.

Go figure.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Go figure.

From day 1 he’s been a troll and there’s a 99% chance he’s a previously banned returning member.

 

[mailmandan]

From day 1 he’s been a troll and there’s a 99% chance he’s a previously banned returning member.

That would not surprise me at all. I think that HigherGospel aka DallasMan aka Stan_the_Man aka JimmyTheLock may have set the record for the most previously banned returning member.